Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.

[CDNBear]

You have much more faith in humanity than me...

This has nothing to do with faith in humanity. If you didn't understand the notion, all you had to do was ask for me to explain it to you.

Yes it's logical... Not true that 100% of unwanted babies won't find loving parents, but I think the chances are lower for an unwanted baby vs a wanted one.

For that to be logical, you would have to ignore the fact that adoption is an option.

How many criminals, rapists, gangbangers , etc etc do you think had a great quality of life growing up as wanted children?? MY guess is not that many.

Actually, most of the criminals I know, came from decent homes, fairly well off, with excellent parents.

There is the biggest problem with adoption in our society. Too many people who claim to want a child to care for but only if it is a newborn. If you really cared you would take what was there. Most people who want to adopt are doing it for selfish reasons.

I know too many people who have adopted someone elses broken child, only to live in horror for years.

No thanx.

I'm not saying all are broken, but sometimes it's s crap shoot.

Are you willing to take your chances?

 

[petros]

Who wants a used model, that you have no idea how hard the original owners were, on it?

We've considered being Foster Parents after we get the hell out of the city for good. There are a lot of kids who get ****ty end of the stick and parents who simply can't keep up to the demands because of health issues or financial.

The wife is all for it but I'm still unsure. Does anyone have any advice?

 

[PoliticalNick]

I know too many people who have adopted someone elses broken child, only to live in horror for years.

No thanx.

I'm not saying all are broken, but sometimes it's s crap shoot.

Are you willing to take your chances?

My wife and I have fostered 4 kids and taken in 3 runaways over the years, some instances turned out ok and some didn't. It is a crap shoot but we care enough to take the chance and try to give them a better life and future. I don't see it as any different than the crapshoot with having your own kids.

 

[CUBert]

Not a logical assumption at all, some people grow into being good parents even after having an unwanted pregnancy, I know a few.

It's definitely logical. It's not like it's guaranteed they'll have a poor quality of life, just that it's much more likely than a baby who is wanted.

Actually, most of the criminals I know, came from decent homes, fairly well off, with excellent parents.

You think that those type of criminals are in the majority?

 

[petros]

It's definitely logical. It's not like it's guaranteed they'll have a poor quality of life, just that it's much more likely than a baby who is wanted.

What sort of mammalian misfit doesn't want kids? It's what drives sexuality. It's not about getting your rocks off. Humans are designed with one main purpose. To make more humans. Abortion goes against everything natural and good.

If you aren't mature enough to be a parent you aren't mature enough to have sex.

 

[CUBert]

This has nothing to do with faith in humanity. If you didn't understand the notion, all you had to do was ask for me to explain it to you.

Yes it does, you have much more faith in the foster care system than I do.

 

[YukonJack]

My daughter is 19 today.


19 years of extreme happiness being a dad for me.

It's also logical that there are a lot of people without the balls to be parents and change their lives for the benefit of the child and themselves.

Do you have the balls to be a dad?

Congratulations, petros, and my best wishes and many happy returns for your daughter.

Mine is 39, and the mother of our two Hollywood-beautiful, movie-star-quality grandchildren. (Needless to say, both resemble Papa).

The other night my daughter and I took Morgan to her dance class and Jenn (my daughter) said: Look we are parking at spot 72! Both Momma and Daddy were born in '72. Then I chimed in: And Papa IS 72! Then Morgan said: "And on my second birthday I used to be three years old".

Call me silly, or overly loving, but I thought that that was FUNNY!

Sorry, this post has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[CUBert]

What sort of mammalian misfit doesn't want kids? It's what drives sexuality. It's not about getting your rocks off. Humans are designed with one main purpose. To make more humans. Abortion goes against everything natural and good.

If you aren't mature enough to be a parent you aren't mature enough to have sex.

That WAS which drove sexuality, was our survival. We've overdone it.
Children are gross and useless.

 

[TenPenny]

A deficit of newborns yes, but a large amount of children over 2-3 years old and an even larger amount of children over 6. Maybe those wanting to adopt should be more willing to take on a child other than a baby.

That's what I'd like, a baby whose mother was snorting cocaine and getting hammered every week, while turning tricks and contracting stds during the pregnancy.

Yup. Where do I sign up?

 

[YukonJack]

That WAS which drove sexuality, was our survival. We've overdone it.
Children are gross and useless.

CUBert, YOU are GROSS and USELESS. I feel sorry for you and your parents. I hope you will NEVER have a child, not even by accident.

 

[CDNBear]

We've considered being Foster Parents after we get the hell out of the city for good. There are a lot of kids who get ****ty end of the stick and parents who simply can't keep up to the demands because of health issues or financial.

The wife is all for it but I'm still unsure. Does anyone have any advice?

None that I should actually say aloud.

My wife and I have fostered 4 kids and taken in 3 runaways over the years, some instances turned out ok and some didn't. It is a crap shoot but we care enough to take the chance and try to give them a better life and future. I don't see it as any different than the crapshoot with having your own kids.

I do. And more power to you.

You think that those type of criminals are in the majority?

Unless you have some stats, I'll have to go with the known.

Yes it does, you have much more faith in the foster care system than I do.

Can you show me where I mentioned the foster care system?

Or is this more of your imaginary domination?

 

[YukonJack]

Everything is RIGHT with the world: I got a PLUS from petros!

Thanks, petros, I meant every word!

 

[petros]

Congratulations, petros, and my best wishes and many happy returns for your daughter.

Mine is 39, and the mother of our two Hollywood-beautiful, movie-star-quality grandchildren. (Needless to say, both resemble Papa).

The other night my daughter and I took Morgan to her dance class and Jenn (my daughter) said: Look we are parking at spot 72! Both Momma and Daddy were born in '72. Then I chimed in: And Papa IS 72! Then Morgan said: "And on my second birthday I used to be three years old".

Call me silly, or overly loving, but I thought that that was FUNNY!

Sorry, this post has nothing to do with the OP.

Thanks Yukon Jack. I'm really looking forward to being a grandparent and yes that was FUNNY.

I've spent my day reflecting on moments like that with my daughter.

If a child can't inspire someone to be a better person or work harder then nothing will.

 

[PoliticalNick]

We've considered being Foster Parents after we get the hell out of the city for good. There are a lot of kids who get ****ty end of the stick and parents who simply can't keep up to the demands because of health issues or financial.

The wife is all for it but I'm still unsure. Does anyone have any advice?

The only advice I can give is to keep an open mind and a loving heart at all times. We have found it can take a long time to build trust on both sides. Treating them with respect and being quite clear and up-front about the rules and ramifications for breaking the rules is important. Be prepared for resistance to your authority and a lot of pushing the boundaries. It is not a cake-walk by any stretch but the rewards can be great for you and them. Of course you have to be prepared to have all your efforts fail as well, just remember it is not the failure on your part for trying. We had problems with 1 runaway and 1 foster child that we were not able to overcome but we did our best.

 

[petros]

That WAS which drove sexuality, was our survival. We've overdone it.
Children are gross and useless.

No it is what still drives sexuality and always will. Sex is just a minor reward leading to the jackpot of being a parent.


Then why did your parents bother to have you?

 

[CUBert]

Unless you have some stats, I'll have to go with the known.

The United States alone has over 2 million inmates incarcerated, you to believe that the majority of them had good lives growing up?

Then why did your parents bother to have you?

They wanted children? Any more retarded questions?

 

[petros]

My wife and I have fostered 4 kids and taken in 3 runaways over the years, some instances turned out ok and some didn't. It is a crap shoot but we care enough to take the chance and try to give them a better life and future. I don't see it as any different than the crapshoot with having your own kids.

It's not the crapshot that has me on the fence. It's getting attach to kids and having to let go when it time for them to return to their parents or other family members.

They wanted children? Any more retarded questions?

How do you know you were wanted?

 

[gerryh]

Definitely. So what do you suggest she do for birth control other than abstinence since most methods are not 100%.

Also, while tubal and abortion are risky for her pregnancy is almost assuredly fatal. Fortunately she is a smart girl and not promiscuous and understands her situation far better than I do and is very careful.

Then I guess she weighs her options and decides what is the best choice for her. If an abortion and a tubal carry basically the same risks, then I don't understand how an abortion would be on the table. You get the tubal once, there's the potential to end up having multiple abortions. You know, using abortion as a form of birth control.

That is a good possibility. ;-)

refer to the following statement by you.

Oh please go crawl back in your cave. Your mother should have abstained.

 

[YukonJack]

Thanks Yukon Jack. I'm really looking forward to being a grandparent and yes that was FUNNY.

I've spent my day reflecting on moments like that with my daughter.

If a child can't inspire someone to be a better person or work harder then nothing will.

Those who promote abortion will NEVER have the pleasure and joy that we have through our children and ESPECIALLY our grandchildren.

Let them be selfish and comfortable. As the old saying goes, differently applied: No pain, no gain. My children and grandchildren will be there to look after me and comfort me when I am old and need it.

Of course, they will (maybe) have the government.

 

[CDNBear]

The United States alone has over 2 million inmates incarcerated, you to believe that the majority of them had good lives growing up?

Unless you have proof, it's all subjective.

Can you show me where I mentioned the foster care system?

What's the problem with you and answering questions?

Especially when those questions pertain to claims you make about my commentary.