No bias in online Vote Compass, CBC says

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No bias in online Vote Compass, CBC says

The CBC is standing by its online tool that purports to tell users which party reflects their policy preferences, but critics say skews Liberal.

Blogs and websites are rife with discussion about the public broadcaster's Vote Compass; on Tuesday a new Facebook group emerged called "CBC -Take Down the Bogus Vote Compass."

Conservative MP Tony Clement tweeted on Wednesday that he met a Tory voter in his riding whose results skewed Liberal. "[A] guy I canvassed today tried CBC Vote Compass, gave Mr Ignatieff low marks, & was told he's a Liberal! He put my sign up," wrote the Parry SoundMuskoka candidate, who was Industry Minister until the election was called on Saturday.

The online tool, comprised of 30 statements to which users respond on a spectrum of "strongly agree" to "strongly disagree," was crafted by Canadian researchers to help voters determine how their " individual opinions on policy compare with each of the election platforms of the candidates running for office," according to Vote Compass' website.

"Vote Compass is something we have introduced as a means for people to engage with the issues on the elec-tion," said Jeff Keay, a spokesperson for the CBC. "There is [no bias] -not as far as we know. We have a high level of confidence that the methodology is sound."

A Toronto researcher who helped develop the questionnaire said it is "not a predictive tool," and is rather intended to give voters a sense of how their views square with the platforms of the political parties.

"What we're trying to say is, based on these 30 questions, here's where the parties fall," said Clifton van der Linden, a University of Toronto political science PhD candidate and executive director of Vote Compass, which partnered with the CBC for the initiative. "You can be a Conservative, an NDP, or any ideological stripe -the tool is not meant to tell you to change that stripe at all."

A Queen's University political science professor publicly denounced Vote Compass after she completed the quiz numerous times with varying strategies, and each time earned a Liberal result.

"Each time, I came up in the centre, so I would be labelled a Liberal," she said, adding she does not believe the alleged bias is intentional. "There's a problem with having only the Liberals in the centre, because I don't think that's a fair representation of how the parties are putting together their platforms for this campaign, or even generally."

Mr. Van Der Linden said researchers relied on public documents, policy platforms, and even feedback from the parties themselves to determine where they landed -on each of the 30 questions -in a four-quadrant grid labelled with "economic right," "economic left," "social liberalism" and "social conservatism."

All of the parties, save for the Conservatives, reached out to Vote Compass prior to Saturday's launch to discuss discrepancies over their positioning on some of the statements, Mr. van der Linden said.

No bias in online Vote Compass, CBC says
 

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Seeing that Vote Compass placed me pretty close to the Conservatives, if it was biased in any way towards the Liberals it certainly wasnt' biased enough to put me in the Liberal camp.
 

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I'm shocked!!!

One of its creators says it isn't flawed!!!

You should be more shocked that they actually provided a legitimate rationalization.

Unlike the Tories' excuse - "My best bro turned out a Liberal! CBC is teh biased! Derp."
 

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You should be more shocked that they actually provided a legitimate rationalization.
That's what anti Joo CT nutters do too.

Unlike the Tories' excuse - "My best bro turned out a Liberal! CBC is teh biased! "
You remember that thing you thought was 'investigative reporting'...

This is investigative reporting, from the unreasonable Toronto daily...

A Professors remarks...

CBC's voter quiz tool flawed, prof says | Decision 2011 | News | Toronto Sun

Accredited COMPASS Research's opinion...

http://www.torontosun.com/news/decision2011/2011/04/12/17970986.html

Indeed.
 

mentalfloss

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*sigh*

Great, now I have to deal with your OCD.

Do you have a link for the Toronto Sun that works please? The second one doesn't work.

By the way, the same prof in my article also says the quiz is flawed. I'm merely pointing out that CBC questioned the political parties themselves before releasing the quiz. And what's worse is that even if it's biased, there is no smoking gun that says CBC is clearly hijacked by Liberals which is what Clement was implying.
 
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*sigh*

Great, now I have to deal with your OCD.
So you have to deal with my omnipotently cool disposition, I have to deal with your silly version of reality and subjective insecurity.

Do you have a link for the Toronto Sun that works please? The second one doesn't work.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/decision2011/2011/04/12/17970986.html

Try that. If it still doesn't work, Google CBC Compass Points Red.

Although the two in my post work for me.
 

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Also, in case you didn't notice, this thread isn't about The Sun's credibility.

It's about the stretch in logic from some that imply:

1.) The poll is hijacked
2.) CBC is hijacked
3.) Down with CBC!!! *busts out the pitchfork*
 

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Also, in case you didn't notice, this thread isn't about The Sun's credibility.

It's about the stretch in logic from some that imply:

1.) The poll is hijacked
I don't think it was hijacked, I think it's flawed.
2.) CBC is hijacked
I don't know about hijacked, but there's no question that the CBC has expressed biases towards the Conservative Party, it's been well documented on CBC Watch.

3.) Down with CBC!!! *busts out the pitchfork*
I'm not about to take up arms, but I'm of the belief that we the taxpayer, shouldn't be in the business of subsidizing media. Especially when other media outlets are forced to compete on an unfair field. It's undemocratic.


But I digress. I thought the thread was about the Vote Compass's credibility?

Ya, I just checked the title of the thread and the OP, and that looks like that's what it's about.

"No bias in online Vote Compass, CBC says".

You have it's creator claiming unfair. I'll see that with a Prof, and raise you a legitimate pollster.
 

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The values it gives are completely subjective. What does 'strongly disagree' mean? Does it mean I want to overthrow the government for what's going on now? Does it mean that I think $1000 more should be spent, or that $10000 more should be spent, or milions more? essentially from what I can gather, the compass puts the LIberals as the status quo, the centre, and then asks you how far you want to move from where things are right now. If you're not 'strongly' opinionated on changing things, it tells you you're Liberal. Well, guess what, they AREN'T the status quo. So if you're fairly happy with the way things currently sit, it doesn't necessarily make you Liberal. Just my two cents on what I just saw.
 

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The guys who tooled the compass base their data on a flawed theory that Canadian Conservatism is akin to US conservatism which is most definitely not. Most Canadian conservatives support social issues like Health care, although Liberal pundits will certainly try and frame Conservatives with a (NEO CON) label because their party can't get their crap together and build a platform that is appealing to the majority of Canadians. Kind of like the Nazi comparison, which is rather funny, because most of the Jew Haters these days come from the far left.

The compass is skewed because the questions are extremely subjective, based in flawed ideology.

Garbage in, garbage out.
 

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The compass is amazingly accurate if you are brushed up on Canadian politics as it stands presently. That may change in the future. Certainly was a lot different in our parents day. Very good tool.
 

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The compass is amazingly accurate if you are brushed up on Canadian politics as it stands presently. That may change in the future. Certainly was a lot different in our parents day. Very good tool.

I don't quite think that is true. I took the test 3 times. first I was a Lib, then I skewed my answers more to the left and I became Green, then I took notes of the results as to where the parties fell and answered every question in line with the NDP and gave all the leaders 0's and Jack a 10 and for some reason I got Green again.

It may not be biased for either the Libs or Cons but it is certainly almost impossible to get an NDP result even when answering entirely from an NDP point o view according to the poll itself.
 

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"No bias in online Vote Compass, CBC says".

You have it's creator claiming unfair. I'll see that with a Prof, and raise you a legitimate pollster.

Oh, I agree, it's not perfect.

But I don't think it's 'biased' in the sense that someone was tinkering with it deliberately to make everyone liberal. I'm sure CBC does lean a little toward the liberal side, and the Queen's Prof can say whatever he wants, but there is no direct proof showing that some eeevil liberals have an agenda to sway an insignificant percentage of voters.

The greater onus of proof is on the accusers to back up their fraud claim.
 

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One example of the bias is demonstrated in where they place the parties on the spectrum: placing the Conservatives as the most extreme party in the election is a falsehood and is a scare tactic of sorts. On the economic scale, they are farther from center than all of their opponents are. On the social side of the scale, things aren't quite so bad: the NDP comes across as the most radical, but the optics of the chart still make it seem than the Conservatives are almost as extreme. Those optics alone, placing the Liberals as the lone "centralist" party show there is a blatant bias in how the entire thing is set up.
 

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One example of the bias is demonstrated in where they place the parties on the spectrum: placing the Conservatives as the most extreme party in the election is a falsehood and is a scare tactic of sorts. On the economic scale, they are farther from center than all of their opponents are. On the social side of the scale, things aren't quite so bad: the NDP comes across as the most radical, but the optics of the chart still make it seem than the Conservatives are almost as extreme. Those optics alone, placing the Liberals as the lone "centralist" party show there is a blatant bias in how the entire thing is set up.

Or maybe they actually believed that's where Liberals and Conservatives lie?

It's really not that far fetched.