I've made my choice, I'm voting for the NDP

[JLM]

I lived in Saskatchewan and Manitoba under NDP government and it was well run. In Ontario the NDP were a bloody disaster!
I can only listen to Layton's platform (And the Liberals) to think how much money they're going to cost us. We already live away above our means, hence the deficit, and plans for more services just aren't affordable.
The economy is growing at 4%, health care costs ALONE grow by 6%, so where is the money coming from for all this other stuff?


I forgot to mention too that I think the people of Saskatchewan and Manitoba had a lot to do with the NDP success. They aren't so greedy and demanding everything under the sun, and more inclined to be sensible and satisfied with the status quo.

I was N.D.P. for over 30 years, until I found their philisophy isn't self sustaining. Generosity extended to someone who has had bad luck or even possibly made one stupid mistake is fine, but to have to support people who WON'T get off their butt and support themselves only works for so long and yet the N.D.P. seem to have compassion for these people. As far as working goes I like the idea of piece work albeit in some instances you have to hire an extra man to do quality control and in some cases it won't work (like open heart surgeries) but for jobs like building coffins it's the most economical and fair method.

 

[mentalfloss]

..but to have to support people who WON'T get off their butt and support themselves only works for so long and yet the N.D.P. seem to have compassion for these people.

Fair enough, but in the end this sort of thing is a bit of a numbers game.

1.) How many people are trying to screw the system?
2.) How much are we paying these people?
3.) Is it worth sacrificing the good ones because of the bad?

Ultimately, while there are fraudulent cases, I would hazard an educated guess that the people who are freeloading are pretty inconsequential. I know it's easy to feel disdain for the fact that they don't do their part, but from a macroscopic point of view, even if they somehow did not exist - it wouldn't change much to the working class contribution.

We can justly point fingers about how some of these people are complete bums or wasting taxpayer money, but many of the working class is buying into this argument without knowing the full scope of the situation.

 

[oldrebel]

I was N.D.P. for over 30 years, until I found their philisophy isn't self sustaining. Generosity extended to someone who has had bad luck or even possibly made one stupid mistake is fine, but to have to support people who WON'T get off their butt and support themselves only works for so long and yet the N.D.P. seem to have compassion for these people. As far as working goes I like the idea of piece work albeit in some instances you have to hire an extra man to do quality control and in some cases it won't work (like open heart surgeries) but for jobs like building coffins it's the most economical and fair method.

None of the parties policies are self-sustaining.At some point down the line there's going to be a crash. We can't continue to operate on a deficit.
I've always believed that it isn't how much money you make that makes you rich, it's how much you DON'T spend. That philosophy has served me well.
Canada spends like a drunken sailor; social programs, groups funding, foreign aid, you name it, Canada's right in there. It has to stop somewhere. Yet when any politician tries to cut back unnecessary funding, there's a huge public outcry. Too many lobbyists depend on government handouts, too many yelping about 'poverty'! Good Lord, poverty today is having only one cell phone!
I wish the people would get behind any politician who would face reality and get Canadians away from the pig trough. We need to cut everything that isn't absolutely necessary until we can get back to having a surplus and no debt.
That's why I'm defending Harper's "Stay the course until we're out of the recession". I'd like to see him get a majority for 4 years and then we can see who is campaigning on fiscal responsibility for the next election.

 

[TenPenny]

That's why I'm defending Harper's "Stay the course until we're out of the recession". I'd like to see him get a majority for 4 years and then we can see who is campaigning on fiscal responsibility for the next election.

Stay the course? But I thought that just a few posts ago you claimed that everything Harper did for the economy was forced on him by the opposition.

So either everything Harper did was bad, and therefore we shouldn't stay the course, or it wasn't all bad, in which case you've claimed that it was the opposition that made it happen.

So why was it that you would you support Harper?

 

[oldrebel]

Stay the course? But I thought that just a few posts ago you claimed that everything Harper did for the economy was forced on him by the opposition.

So either everything Harper did was bad, and therefore we shouldn't stay the course, or it wasn't all bad, in which case you've claimed that it was the opposition that made it happen.

So why was it that you would you support Harper?

The opposition DID force him to spend money. Now they're blaming him for doing it. That in itself tells me a lot about the opposition.
It wasn't only propping up the economy that kept us safe during the recession . There were other policies that proved effective. You know very well that we're a lot better off than the rest of the world.
Hey, I'm just posting my views, I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to vote!

 

[mentalfloss]

The opposition DID force him to spend money.

On what exactly?

 

[karrie]

BTW, getting back to your OP.... I think voting for the best local candidate is the only rational way to vote. If yours happens to be an NDP, so be it.

 

[TenPenny]

. There were other policies that proved effective. You know very well that we're a lot better off than the rest of the world.

We certainly are. And I'm giving the credit to Paul Martin for being an awesome finance minister.

You can't blame the opposition for making Harper spend money, then claim that Harper has done a good job by spending money.

 

[Durry]

The only way an individual wins in this election is if your local candidate is a member of the government ruling party.
Otherwise, they are just useless baggage in the house of commons.

 

[CDNBear]

BTW, getting back to your OP.... I think voting for the best local candidate is the only rational way to vote. If yours happens to be an NDP, so be it.

Wise words Karrie.

Sadly, there is no Libertarian candidate in my area.

The rest, whom I've met at one place or another, are your typical bobbleheads.

Van Loan being the absolute worst.

 

[JLM]

Fair enough, but in the end this sort of thing is a bit of a numbers game.

1.) How many people are trying to screw the system?

Maybe 15%
2.) How much are we paying these people?

Probably three times what they are worth
3.) Is it worth sacrificing the good ones because of the bad?

Nope- pay them a little more and let them "sacrifice" the bad. Oooh maybe that sounds a bit like a hit man. :smile:

Ultimately, while there are fraudulent cases, I would hazard an educated guess that the people who are freeloading are pretty inconsequential. I know it's easy to feel disdain for the fact that they don't do their part, but from a macroscopic point of view, even if they somehow did not exist - it wouldn't change much to the working class contribution.

We can justly point fingers about how some of these people are complete bums or wasting taxpayer money, but many of the working class is buying into this argument without knowing the full scope of the situation.

*****

 

[Cannuck]

We certainly are. And I'm giving the credit to Paul Martin for being an awesome finance minister.

If it wasn't for Paul, we'd probably be in the same predicament as the US.

The opposition DID force him to spend money.

They didn't force him. Nobody held a gun to his head.

 

[cranky]

Any Liberal that holds a gun to your head had better get that gun registered, otherwise the effen idiot might pull the trigger

 

[Cannuck]

Any Liberal that holds a gun to your head had better get that gun registered, otherwise the effen idiot might pull the trigger

That's true. Everybody knows that registration alone will stop the trigger finger. That's why registration has brought gun crime to a screeching halt.

 

[Durry]

If it wasn't for Paul, we'd probably be in the same predicament as the US.
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Yeah, Paul did a great job downloading the health costs to the provinces.
He also did a good job in not training doctors during his rain in an effort to reduce health care costs. Now we have a doctor shortage.
Good job??

 

[Cannuck]

Yeah, Paul did a great job downloading the health costs to the provinces.
He also did a good job in not training doctors during his rain in an effort to reduce health care costs. Now we have a doctor shortage.
Good job??

I was unaware medical schools fell under the jurisdiction of the federal government. You must be a big fan of Jack. He thinks the same way you do.

 

[Durry]

Paul did no really do anything innovative to reduce the dept, what really helped him was that world wide interest rates fell from 7,8% to 2 3%.

 

[Cannuck]

Paul did no really do anything innovative to reduce the dept, what really helped him was that world wide interest rates fell from 7,8% to 2 3%.

Neither did Ralphie in Alberta. In fact Paul and Ralphie did exactly the same thing. Liberals slapped Martin on the back and crucified Klein. Conservatives slapped Klein on the back and crucified Martin. Isn't partisan politics funny?

 

[Avro]

I was N.D.P. for over 30 years, until I found their philisophy isn't self sustaining. Generosity extended to someone who has had bad luck or even possibly made one stupid mistake is fine, but to have to support people who WON'T get off their butt and support themselves only works for so long and yet the N.D.P. seem to have compassion for these people. As far as working goes I like the idea of piece work albeit in some instances you have to hire an extra man to do quality control and in some cases it won't work (like open heart surgeries) but for jobs like building coffins it's the most economical and fair method.

Piece work has killed quality.

I know someone who has a contracting buisness who can tell you some real good stories.

It's why houses today are built like crap.

Rush in.....get your money.....rush out.

Yeah, Paul did a great job downloading the health costs to the provinces.
He also did a good job in not training doctors during his rain in an effort to reduce health care costs. Now we have a doctor shortage.
Good job??

Yeah, he should invested more in education during his rain.

The only way an individual wins in this election is if your local candidate is a member of the government ruling party.
Otherwise, they are just useless baggage in the house of commons.

I think Hitler said that in a speech.

BTW, getting back to your OP.... I think voting for the best local candidate is the only rational way to vote. If yours happens to be an NDP, so be it.

That's what I'm doing.

 

[JLM]

Piece work has killed quality.

I know someone who has a contracting buisness who can tell you some real good stories.

It's why houses today are built like crap.



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You still don't read too gud. I SAID on some jobs you would have to hire a man to do quatity control. :smile: