A small step toward First Nations accountability

[CDNBear]

That the Palestinians were a nation before Canada....

And your point?

Or is this another of your deviations, so you can attempt to look like you have the upper hand?

Christ, is it really that hard to follow?

You take things out of context, you fail to grasp context, you try and twist commentary to suit your agenda, or ask the same silly question hoping you'll get the answer you want.

So YA! You are hard to follow sometimes.

Work on it will ya.

they are succubus stealing form the Metis by even pretending to be Metis when they are not.

Since the First Nations came before the Metis, what would we be stealing?

the Metis with Indian heritage are the real half breeds and are the worst thing that ever happened to Metis.

Ummm ya. Now that is a logical inconsistency Cannuck.

Metis are Metis, we are our own people, not half breeds.

Metis the word, means half breed.

My ancestors and many other Metis ancestors, were descendants of french and iroquois in Quebec.

Ya, but who are these Iroquois you speak of?

they broke the land, had their own language and spoke many others to be merchants, had their own music, dance, and culture in every way. They lived together, they had their own laws and way of life. They were the first people to regulate hunting, they broke the Hudson bay company's monopoly, and they traded with whites and Indians and acted as mediators and go betweens for trade, or outright merchants for the trade itself, anyways.

And that all means what?

Basically, it is pure ignorance to think Metis didn't have their own culture and weren't a separate group of people, their own Nation, in Canada.

Who said they were?

The English have Norse and Germanic heritage, right? Or for this example let's pretend they do. that doesn't mean when you cross a Norwegian and German today you get a Brit, does it? of course not. So why would you get a Metis today if you cross an Indian with a White? a Metis was a cross between Indian and White hundreds of years ago, but they developed their own culture and lived that culture, it is ignorant to think that by going back and crossing different races TODAY that it means they are part of a culture that existed long ago in their own culture. ignorance, pure and simple.

And the First Nations Culture existed before the Metis.

I don't care what the actual word for Metis means.

I know you don't. It would mean you would have to acknowledge something you don't want to.

The key point is that that is was created a Metis not what creates a Metis. Big difference.

Can you say that again in English please?

 

[PoliticalNick]

What is counter productive? Acknowledging the differing peoples of the First Nations?

Isn't that sort of anti multicultural?

I am just saying that trying to negotiate 400 different agreements that all have a lot of the same principles could be a costly, time consuming process. Pulling all the common issues into one deal and then adding a few specific ones from each of the 400 parties would be much more efficient and provide more consistent results for all.

 

[CDNBear]

I am just saying that trying to negotiate 400 different agreements that all have a lot of the same principles could be a costly, time consuming process. Pulling all the common issues into one deal and then adding a few specific ones from each of the 400 parties would be much more efficient and provide more consistent results for all.

Perhaps, but I doubt you'll be able to convince a majority of every Nation to go along with it.

To many people with to much to lose.

 

[Cannuck]

And please don't try your logical inconsistency crap again.

Does the truth hurt?

I've said that just because you and your buddies were a nation at one time, that doesn't mean they are a nation now. When Palestine was brought up you said it didn't matter because they weren't a nation at the time of the formation of Israel. Since the question at hand (from my perspective) is, was and will continue to be "what constitutes a nation" I find you logically inconsistent (not to mention ****ing hilarious) when you use the double standard....and like I've said, I enjoy pointing it out.

 

[CDNBear]

Does the truth hurt?

When you post some, I'll let you know.

I've said that just because you and your buddies were a nation at one time, that doesn't mean they are a nation now.

Accept for the fact we meet the internationally accepted definition and legal requirements.

When Palestine was brought up you said it didn't matter because they weren't a nation at the time of the formation of Israel.

In the context enveloped in the quotation you provided, they didn't. You're trying to use contemporary Palestine, as an entity that no longer exists. The British were the gov't before then.

The Haudenosaunee existed here, as a nation, already recognized by the Crown, before Canada was a Nation.

Since the question at hand (from my perspective) is, was and will continue to be "what constitutes a nation" I find you logically inconsistent (not to mention ****ing hilarious) when you use the double standard....

I'm not using a double standard. You're trying to compare a planet to a moth.

...and like I've said, I enjoy pointing it out.

Why? So I can point out your epic failures, feeble and erroneous comparisons?

Speaking of logical inconsistencies!!!

Besides, are you familiar with the term "precedence"?

Are you?

I guess only precedent matter when it suits your agenda eh?

 

[Cannuck]

Ummm ya. Now that is a logical inconsistency Cannuck.

Yes, It should be very entertaining watching you two.

 

[Skatchie]

Since the First Nations came before the Metis, what would we be stealing?

Funding, as usual, funding that is not for Indians, they have their own funding that they squander.

Ummm ya. Now that is a logical inconsistency Cannuck.
Metis the word, means half breed.

no it is not. It is very logically consistent. basic point that you are missing is that Indians are Indians, and Metis are Metis, the culture and heritage of both has been established. You can't create a Metis anymore. it is not possible. You can only create half breeds. If they want to go ahead and think they are a Nation of some sort, go for it, we don't want them. No real Metis with real metis ancestry want half breeds falsely representing themselves as Metis.

Ya, but who are these Iroquois you speak of?

who cares? it's not relevant

And the First Nations Culture existed before the Metis.


Can you say that again in English please?

One typo and that's what you highlight because you can't debate the actual issue. Grow up. You know f**ing well what I meant. It is quite obvious. The people that created the Metis heritage were of French (and sometimes Scottish) blood and Native blood, but their bloodline is not important, their heritage is important, their culture is important. Just because Metis were French Indian mixed doesn't mean that if you mix any random French and Indian today that you create a Metis.

What are hispanic poeple? they are a freakin mix. Does it mean that if you take an Aztec pure bloodline today and mix it with a Spaniard's pure bloodline that you get a Mexican? That logic is just retarded. It's the same thing when you look at Metis.

Indians want Metis to be just partial Indians that don't qualify for treaty cards anymore. They are greedy scumbags trying to steal as much as they can from the Government. REAL Metis repsect and edhere to Metis heritage and culture. They had their own language, culture, and way of life (as I've continuously stated) and they are not just losers that can't get treaty cards anymore because Mommy or Daddy went and played the dance with no pants off the reserve.

 

[lone wolf]

As to the issues. I am Metis. My history traces back to the Red River. That is what makes me metis. If your ancestry does not trace to that you are not Metis and we don't want you. Some random Indian that is a generation removed from a treaty card has absolutely no business being involved in Metis affairs. not only that, but the fact that I have 1/32 Indian blood makes no difference. i am metis. My children that will likely be 1/64 Indian will be metis, as will theirs.

When did the Red river flow through Quebec and Iroquois territory? By your own definition, you're not Metis ... until you want to be Metis

 

[CDNBear]

Funding, as usual, funding that is not for Indians, they have their own funding that they squander.

So the First Nations stole funding from the Metis?

You can't create a Metis anymore.

According to the MNO, and the other provincial Metis Nations, along with the Feds and the SCC, you would be incorrect.

it is not possible. You can only create half breeds. Right, Metis.

If they want to go ahead and think they are a Nation of some sort, go for it, we don't want them.

Correction, you don't want them.

No real Metis with real metis ancestry want half breeds falsely representing themselves as Metis.

Hmmm, Metis means mixed blood, so ergo any one with mix Native and non Native Blood is Metis.

who cares? it's not relevant

OK, if you says so.

One typo and that's what you highlight because you can't debate the actual issue. Grow up. You know f**ing well what I meant.

No actually I didn't. Hence why i asked for clarity.

It is quite obvious.

Not really.

The people that created the Metis heritage were of French (and sometimes Scottish) blood and Native blood, but their bloodline is not important, their heritage is important, their culture is important. Just because Metis were French Indian mixed doesn't mean that if you mix any random French and Indian today that you create a Metis.

By the very word Metis, it does.

What are hispanic poeple? they are a freakin mix. Does it mean that if you take an Aztec pure bloodling today and mix it with a Spaniard's pure bloodline that you get a Mexican? That logic is just retarded. It's the same thing when you look at Metis.

If you say so. You seem to be an expert on retarded.

Indians want Metis to be just partial Indians that don't qualify for treaty cards anymore.

Anymore? How about haven't. Now they have harvest Cards and are able top access education grants and so on.

They are greedy scumbags trying to steal as much as they can from the Government.

Who? The Metis? Maybe.

REAL Metis repsect and edhere to Metis heritage and culture.

Of treason and treachery?

They had their own language, culture, and way of life (as I've continuously stated) and they are not just losers that can't get treaty cards anymore because Mommy or Daddy went and played the dance with no pants off the reserve.

You may want to get that hostile jealousy under control, before you blow a gasket.

 

[Skatchie]

When did the Red river flow through Quebec and Iroquois territory? By your own definition, you're not Metis ... until you want to be Metis

Who f***ing cares?

I am Metis. My ancestors are Metis. That's what makes me Metis. Iroquois blood means nothing. Metis blood is what's improtant. My ancestors lived in Metis settlements. They lived as Metis. It wouldn't matter if they were partially Prarie Indian, or anything else. there was a group of people that lived in Western Canada before the provinces came to be, they lived in their own way, were their own people, separate fromt he groups they were derived from, and my ancestors are those people. That's all there is to it.

And don't try to be smart with this by your own definition crap because being smart is obviously not your thing, seeing as how you make about as much sense as buying an Indian work boots.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Injin's can't manage a lemonade stand let alone a government... wait, neither can we.

 

[CDNBear]

When did the Red river flow through Quebec and Iroquois territory? By your own definition, you're not Metis ... until you want to be Metis

Actually Lone, many Courier dubois, Homme du Norde and Voyageurs were Metis, French and Haudenosaunee.

It would stand to reason that there may actually be some in the Red River Valley. Although I think our friend here is sketchy.

 

[lone wolf]

Scratch, I think most of us already know your game. You're 31/32 of something....

 

[CDNBear]

Who f***ing cares?

Inquiring minds.

I am Metis. My ancestors are Metis. That's what makes me Metis. Iroquois blood means nothing. Metis blood is what's improtant.

Can you identify the Metis gene?

My ancestors lived in Metis settlements.

Mine on Reserves, does that mean they're reserved?

They lived as Metis.

How does a Metis live?

It wouldn't matter if they were partially Prarie Indian, or anything else. there was a group of people that lived in Western Canada before the provinces came to be, they lived in their own way, were their own people, separate fromt he groups they were derived from, and my ancestors are those people. That's all there is to it.

If you say so.

And don't try to be smart with this by your own definition crap because being smart is obviously not your thing, seeing as how you make about as much sense as buying an Indian work boots.

I'm an Native, i own work boots. I replace them a couple times a year. I keep wearing out the soles. But then again, my wife doesn't need work boots in her supervisory position.

Can you show me all the Metis workers that built sky scrapers and bridges?

I can show you Mowhawk High Steel workers. Onondaga Doctors and lawyers. And so on.

So if you'd like to make any more childish generalizations, be fore warned, my patience with the completely brain dead is short.

Injin's can't manage a lemonade stand let alone a government... wait, neither can we.

Durka Durka you old goat humper you!!! Hows tricks!?

 

[Skatchie]

So the First Nations stole funding from the Metis?[/COLOR]

any funding that is supposed to go to Metis and instead goes to people with Indian heritage and no ancestry from the red river, is in fact, stealing, yes.

According to the MNO, and the other provincial Metis Nations, along with the Feds and the SCC, you would be incorrect.

I don't care who thinks what. It is just a way for Indians to infiltrate the Metis ranks and then steal everything while our real culutre and heritage dies. It's a form of paper genecide. Once they get their way and rid Metis without a high enough percentage of drunken fool (indian) in them they will turn around and then say to be a Metis you need Red river ancestry (it has been dicsussed at length already anyways - I would know, I was the Metis youth coordinator for Local no. 17 willow bunch and have been to dozens of provincial meetings and round tables). They want indians in there because they are greedy and can be bought. Once they have enough of them bought they will turn on them and wipe out all Metis.

it is not possible. You can only create half breeds. Right, Metis.

It's over. You can't create somebody in a culture that is already established. If neither of your parents are metis, you aren't either.

Correction, you don't want them.

you f***ing right, we don't want them.

Hmmm, Metis means mixed blood, so ergo any one with mix Native and non Native Blood is Metis.

Nope, Saskatchewan means river so does that mean anybody that lives near a river is a Skatchie. Let me break down why your logic is wrong. Metis MEANT native and non native mix. that doesn't mean any mix is STILL a Metis. Metis are established. It's over. The chance to become one has long since passed.

Of treason and treachery?

Treason??? treason from what? It was a territory where the only rule of law was thsat which the METIS created.

And treachery, yeah there was lots of that, when Dumont kicked the crap out the White morons with less than one third of the men. But that was fair play considering they were fighting for their own god damned land that they broke, so it couldn't be GIVEN AWAY for free to other people just because they were white.


You may want to get that hostile jealousy under control, before you blow a gasket.

i am not jealous of any Indians or whites. I am proud of my heritage.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Inquiring minds.

Can you identify the Metis gene?

Mine on Reserves, does that mean they're reserved?

How does a Metis live?

If you say so.

I'm an Native, i own work boots. I replace them a couple times a year. I keep wearing out the soles. But then again, my wife doesn't need work boots in her supervisory position.

Can you show me all the Metis workers that built sky scrapers and bridges?

I can show you Mowhawk High Steel workers. Onondaga Doctors and lawyers. And so on.

So if you'd like to make any more childish generalizations, be fore warned, my patience with the completely brain dead is short.

Durka Durka you old goat humper you!!! Hows tricks!?

I'm turning tricks like they;re going out of style. I'm the biggest **** on Dundas now apparently

 

[PoliticalNick]

Who f***ing cares?

The ever consistant argument of the closed minded when they are beaten with logic.

I personally am of mixed blood....it is mixed with all the other people of the world since we all trace back to a couple of related tribes in Africa.

Time to quit all this bull**** and realize we are all from the human race.

 

[Cannuck]

i am not jealous of any Indians or whites. I am proud of my heritage.

At least you and CB have a few things in common.

 

[gerryh]

And treachery, yeah there was lots of that, when Dumont kicked the crap out the White morons with less than one third of the men. But that was fair play considering they were fighting for their own god damned land that they broke, so it couldn't be GIVEN AWAY for free to other people just because they were white.

I'm curious, any idea where the land came from that you are saying was "stolen" from the red river Metis?

i am not jealous of any Indians or whites. I am proud of my heritage.

You ARE very jealous, that is immensely obvious.

 

[Skatchie]

Inquiring minds.

Can you identify the Metis gene?

Mine on Reserves, does that mean they're reserved?

How does a Metis live?

If you say so.

I'm an Native, i own work boots. I replace them a couple times a year. I keep wearing out the soles. But then again, my wife doesn't need work boots in her supervisory position.

Can you show me all the Metis workers that built sky scrapers and bridges?

I can show you Mowhawk High Steel workers. Onondaga Doctors and lawyers. And so on.

So if you'd like to make any more childish generalizations, be fore warned, my patience with the completely brain dead is short.

Durka Durka you old goat humper you!!! Hows tricks!?

I've already explained how Meits lived. they lived with their own culture. they were smart enough (unlike Indians) to break the land and farm, and they traded and made a good fortune (also unlike indians) trading with Indians and whites. they did this speaking many languages, including their own, while having traditions and culture separate from either whites or Indians, clearly a sign that they are their own Nation of people.

And as for Metis doing well in society compared to Indians, there is no comparison. Indians can't do anything but get government funding to do BS work that criples the nation financially. Metis have an actual history of makign a living. Merchants, lawyers (including Louis Riel), I have a cousin that has an Engineering degree and a law degree from the University of Toronto. I'm sure you know many Indians (although I sure don't) that are doing well in society too. The difference is, Metis aren't as likely to be slumming it on the lower end of the scale. We have considerably more entrepreneurial spirit than Indians have.