Chara's Hit on Pacioretty

[captain morgan]

This incident could easily have been avoided as there has already been discussions about putting the glass all the way around the rink (in front of the players bench). Nobody in hockey wants that because changing on the fly would be more difficult. Ease of changing lines trumps player safety. Is that Chara's fault too?

You're preaching to the converted here...

In any given year, there are players that come to a very abrupt halt when they collide with an open door into the box, people get high sticked, lose an edge and fall at high speed into the end boards or take a slap shot in the face while trying to block a shot.

Steps can be taken to remedy all these possibilities, but to make the game ultra-safe, maybe they change the game and only have tickle-fights at center ice to ensure that no one gets seriously injured.

 

[Avro]

No doubt. The only person that can answer that question is Chara. That said, in terms of the suspension (and assuming that it was not deliberate), a multi game suspension would send a strong message against finishing a check.....

.....into a stanchion.

Go back a few years to the incident where a goalie had his neck accidentally slashed by a players skate. Should the league have taken a heavy approach in prosecuting the player that was wearing the skate? How about that goalies own team mate that may have contributed to the event?

Bottom line is that this is a high risk sport at the best of times. Injury from falling, getting hit by a puck, contact issues or a skate blade to the throat are very real possibilities.

Hardly comparable and no one died.

Agreed! That is a the real solution in this specific instance. Further, if any player is deemed to have intentionally injured another player, then drum the bastard out of the league.. Remember Sammualsen (sp?) that played for the Pens for a lot of years? That guy was a master at "accidentally" going knee-on-knee with any player that had more talent/ability than him... That should not be tolerated in any way, shape or form (that includes Chara if it was deemed his actions were purposeful).

Yet multi offenders like Matt Cooke still play.

If the league gave a crap they would have taken a leadership role, but as usual they shrug their shoulders and say it's part of the game.

To me it's unacceptable.

 

[captain morgan]

Sedin said he doesn't believe Chara intended to seriously injure Pacioretty, but it was no accident that the Canadiens player struck the pillar that supports the glass separating the benches.


“Chara has hit so many guys throughout his career and never been suspended, so he's obviously not a dirty player. [But] when someone is injured that severe, whatever the hit is, you expect some kind of punishment. I think you almost need to give some kind of punishment for having a guy injured that severely. I think that's something that maybe should be put in place.”​

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Interesting comment from Sedin.. He doesn't think it was purposeful, but he should be penalized anyways? Other players recognize that he isn't a dirty player, but are vilifying him.

Let me ask this: The respondents in the article state that Chara should have been fully aware of his surroundings, why is Pacioretty off the hook in terms of being aware of those same surroundings? It was Pacioretty that made the individual decision to take the risk on that play, yet, that isn't recognized at all.

We saw this same dynamic unfold when the instigator rule was brought in. More stick work and more of the smaller, weasily players started launching themselves at the bigger guys to make a point... They knew that there was an advantage to be had over the bigger guys and that the league would not punish them to the same extent.

.....into a stanchion.

Fine.. Punish the stanchion makers.

Hardly comparable and no one died.

Neither did Max

Yet multi offenders like Matt Cooke still play.

If the league gave a crap they would have taken a leadership role, but as usual they shrug their shoulders and say it's part of the game.

To me it's unacceptable.

Lobby for tickle-fights

 

[Avro]

Interesting comment from Sedin.. He doesn't think it was purposeful, but he should be penalized anyways? Other players recognize that he isn't a dirty player, but are vilifying him.

Let me ask this: The respondents in the article state that Chara should have been fully aware of his surroundings, why is Pacioretty off the hook in terms of being aware of those same surroundings? It was Pacioretty that made the individual decision to take the risk on that play, yet, that isn't recognized at all.

We saw this same dynamic unfold when the instigator rule was brought in. More stick work and more of the smaller, weasily players started launching themselves at the bigger guys to make a point... They knew that there was an advantage to be had over the bigger guys and that the league would not punish them to the same extent.

I agree about Max putting himself in a bad position but he didn't put himself into the stanchion and this is is a lesson learned for all players from his sidof the incident but what is the lesson for people in Chara's position....do it and get off?

It's like balming a woman for getting raped because she wore a short skirt.

It's hard to read intent but given the outcome the league should have done something to make players aware of where they are making their checks. To say they didn't know where they were on the ice is not an excuse for veteran player.

Fine.. Punish the stanchion makers.

Why? The league seems fine with them and the stanchion didn't jump out at Max.

Neither did Max

Did you read my original question?

It was a what if.

Lobby for tickle-fights

 

[karrie]

Lobby for tickle-fights

I will not play at tug o' war
I'd rather play at hug o' war,
Where everyone hugs
Instead of tugs
Where everyone giggles
And rolls on the rug,
Where everyone kisses
And everyone grins
And everyone cuddles
And everyone wins.
-Shel Silverstein

 

[Skatchie]

.....into a stanchion.

Hardly comparable and no one died.

Yet multi offenders like Matt Cooke still play.

If the league gave a crap they would have taken a leadership role, but as usual they shrug their shoulders and say it's part of the game.

To me it's unacceptable.

It seems there is one issue I agree with avro on. And for the record, Sedin clearly believes whether Chara meant to almost kill the kid or not that he was wreckless, irresponsible and dirty with his actions.

It's much like society. If you're wreckless and irresponsible it makes no difference whether it was intentional. Go get drunk and get behind the wheel. even if somebody crashes into you, through no fault of your own, you are gettign vehicular manslaughter if they die and sent to prison. go get into a fight with somebody at the bar. both consenting adults. Both willing to fight. Knock him out and he hits his head on the ground and dies, and guess what? You are getting charged with some form of manslaughter. Did you mean to kill him? no. but you still did.

It's the same in this case. I think Chara meant to hurt the kid. It makes no difference though. The check was wreckless, irresponsible, outside of the rules of hockey anyways, and it nearly decapitated somebody. they need to throw the book at chara. He should have been more responsible. He should have been smart enough to know the stanchion was there (as if he didn't anyways but whatever) and he should have let up instead of accelerating the kid's face into a wall. If he could go back I'm sure he wouldn't have smashed the kid's head into a stanchion and nearly paralyzed the poor bugger. he doesn't get a redo and neither does Pacioretty. Precisely why an example should have been made of him.

 

[Cannuck]

Why? The league seems fine with them and the stanchion didn't jump out at Max.

The league seems fine with the Chara hit as well. Thanks for your input.

 

[coldstream]

Well, you obviously missed it then. he hit somebody that didn't have the puck and that is certainly not a legal hit, on any level, even if the hit was proper, which it wasn't (his hands were up in the kid's face) and either way, even if he didn't run the kid's face into the stantion, if he just hit the middle of the glass, it would have still been a head shot and likely still concussed the guy and still drawn at least 2 minutes, probably 4, in penalty minutes. It was an illegal hit. that can't even be argued. He hit somebody that did not have possession of the puck.

The clip that i saw clearly showed that Pacioretty was The Last Player to Touch the Puck, and was chasing down his own forward pass... That Skatchie is a LEGAL CHECK. As far as having his hands up, Chara is 6'9", essentially his hands are always in other players faces. Still it was clear that the check was done from Chara's shoulders and hips, not with his hands to the head. That's just the facts.

 

[karrie]

Still it was clear that the check was done from Chara's shoulders and hips, not with his hands to the head. That's just the facts.

Seems to me you're using a wee bit of selective viewing.

His body is clearly not touching him, yet his hands are clearly holding his head into the stanchion that he's looking directly at.

 

[CDNBear]

That's just the facts I made up.

fify.

 

[lone wolf]

What an amazing piece of premeditation that Pacioretty should just happen to be in possession of a puck in proximity of a players bench where he might be checked. There is a big difference between the pace of NHL hockey and the version of it where someone hollers "Car!"

 

[CDNBear]

What an amazing piece of premeditation that Pacioretty should just happen to be in possession of a puck in proximity of a players bench where he might be checked. There is a big difference between the pace of NHL hockey and the version of it where someone hollers "Car!"

From what I understand, he didn't have the puck.

Besides, it really does seem irrelevant when one notes that Chara can be clearly seem forcing his head over the rail, and into the stanchion.

To me, it seems pretty clear it was intentional.

 

[karrie]

What an amazing piece of premeditation that Pacioretty should just happen to be in possession of a puck in proximity of a players bench where he might be checked. There is a big difference between the pace of NHL hockey and the version of it where someone hollers "Car!"

meh... there are a couple people in this world I would run over if I found them crossing the street in front of me. No, I wouldn't go hunting the moment down, but if it happened, and I did it, it wouldn't make me any less guilty for running them over. A lack of premeditation doesn't make something okay.

 

[lone wolf]

It looks like a dirty shot. NHL is full of dirty shots. Blood means bucks - which is the biggest reason I lost interest in professional hockey about sixteen teams ago....

 

[coldstream]

Seems to me you're using a wee bit of selective viewing.

His body is clearly not touching him, yet his hands are clearly holding his head into the stanchion that he's looking directly at.

Why have i NOT seen that picture blaring from every Sports Page and News Show in Canada. Why did the league and referees all confirm that this was NOT a head shot. Why is Chara not suspended as this picture would seem to warrant. Why does the picture not correspond to the original clip posted on this thread that clearly shows Chara IN FRONT of Pacioretty prior to check, leaning in with his hip, and past the check at the point of impact. That's because this a BOGUS picture, a Photoshop Edition of the Check.


And CdnBear.. it IS legal to Check the last player to touch the puck, it happens all the time when a player lofts the puck forward and chases it. Look at the real, original clip and you'll see Pacioretty does just that. It's pretty sad when these hysterical whiners of politically correct hockey have to resort to FRAUD to make their case. Reminds me AGW fraudsters.

 

[karrie]

It's the photo that ran in the Montreal Gazette.

If you can prove it's photoshopped, by all means provide links.

never mind, googling 'Chara hit frame by frame' turns up plenty of results that show it's not shopped.

 

[CDNBear]

Why have i NOT seen that picture blaring from every Sports Page and News Show in Canada. Why did the league and referees all confirm that this was NOT a head shot. Why is Chara not suspended as this picture would seem to warrant. Why does the picture not correspond to the original clip posted on this thread that clearly shows Chara IN FRONT of Pacioretty prior to check, leaning in with his hip. That's because this a BOGUS picture, a Photoshop Edition of the Check.

It was in every Toronto daily the day after.

And CdnBear.. it IS legal to Check the last player to touch the puck, it happens all the time when a player lofts the puck forward and chases it. Look at the real, original clip and you'll see Pacioretty does just that.

Fair enough.

It's pretty sad when these hysterical whiners of politically correct hockey have to resort to FRAUD to make their case. Reminds me AGW fraudsters.

It's equally sad when people make up their own reality.

It's the photo that ran in the Montreal Gazette.

If you can prove it's photoshopped, by all means provide links.

never mind, googling 'Chara hit frame by frame' turns up plenty of results that show it's not shopped.

Yep, it does.

 

[coldstream]

It's the photo that ran in the Montreal Gazette.


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Right.. nuff said.

Look at the statements of the League and Officials. Look at the original clip. Where did this 'magic' photo come from as final evidence, long after the incident was adjudicated.

 

[CDNBear]

Right.. nuff said.

Did you miss "Toronto dailies"?

Look at the statements of the League and Officials. Look at the original clip. Where did this 'magic' photo come from as final evidence.

Really? Are you really this nutty?

long after the incident was adjudicated

It was published the next day, in almost every sports outlet.

Not to mention, photoshopping that pick and publishing it would be actionable.

Ever stop and try a little commonsense?

 

[karrie]

You can't back it up so you condemn the source with no basis?

NHL under fire as Quebec police probe notorious hit

I suppose Edmonton is somehow as illegitemate a news source as Montreal though?

And Toronto?