New political party forming

[Machjo]

I want the nations of english and french canada to survive. Mass immigration of people who are not part of our nation is leading to our destruction, ethnically many our our major cities are poised to be asian cities in a few decades, we have no obligation to do this.

Should it not be up to me, in a free country, to decide what language and culture to teach my children at home, and with whom my children are to associate? What you're proposing is that English and French Canadians are a bunch of incompetents incapable of taking care of themselves and maintaining and developing their own cultures. Quite frankly, I'm even insulted at Canada's Canadian content laws.

If there are too many immigrants, then I'll adapt, network with other French Canadians, and keep the culture alive that way. Are we that incompetet and unadaptable in your mind. Et encore je te demande, connait-tu le français?

I want the nations of english and french canada to survive. Mass immigration of people who are not part of our nation is leading to our destruction, ethnically many our our major cities are poised to be asian cities in a few decades, we have no obligation to do this.

France and England are just a hop, skip and a jump across the pond.

 

[altonef]

Should it not be up to me, in a free country, to decide what language and culture to teach my children at home, and with whom my children are to associate?

Yes

What you're proposing is that English and French Canadians are a bunch of incompetents incapable of taking care of themselves and maintaining and developing their own cultures. Quite frankly, I'm even insulted at Canada's Canadian content laws.

No what I am saying is that a massive non-white immigration into ALL white countries and ONLY into white countries is genocide.

Et encore je te demande, connait-tu le français?

Oui un petit peu mais pas très bien

France and England are just a hop, skip and a jump across the pond.

Yes but they are also undergoing the same genocidal policy that is seeing white children replace in their own homes.

 

[Machjo]

Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White countries for everybody. I believe that everybody deserves a home including white people.

Of course. That's what the housing market's for. Or better yet, Europe is just across the pond. Question is, do you meet their immigration standards?

It has EVERYTHING to do with preserving English and French Canada.

We already have too many laws to protect that.

This is about our right to survive not about anyone else.

At everyone else's expense? Is that it? What? Too weak to preserve your own culture, are you? Last I checked, public library membeship is free of charge!

I wish everyone a life of freedom, peace and prosperity. I want my people to survive, I want my nation to survive. The last thing I want is to "oppress" anyone.

Everyone? Really? Ah, next sentence sayd 'my people'? Who are they? I'm certainly not among your people according to your definition. Yes I'm caucasian, and yes I speak English and French, but I'm sure I just don't meet your ideological standards to be considered among your people, is that right? Your people are a large minority of Canadians, and thankfully a minority.

And you don't want to oppress anyone, yet have no qualms about putting your own English and French speaking caucasian compatriots through the hell of immigration bureaucracy should they decide to marry a non-citizen. But zen again, zey ar traitors tzu ze Faterland anyweg, right.

Altonef, though I was born and raied in Canada, and even trace my bloodline back to 400 years ago on my mother's side, and longer still on my father's side, I had to go through hell with Canada's immigration system because of the kinds of policies your knd want to promote. Is that how you treat your compatriots, your 'people'?

Strange indeed. You've obviously never had to deal with the inhumanity of our immigration system and so have no clue what you're talking about and how what you propose could affect countless native-born Canadians.

Now that I think about the question of another thread, maybe we ought to bild a moon base, not for economic reasons, but rather to ship a few types over there.

SOme here have a very strange notion fo patriotism to want to impose such inhumanity onto their own compatriots.

 

[damngrumpy]

This certainly needs further examination. Let me say first of all that to some degree I believe
the total multicultural experiment has its limitations. To suggest that some are not worthy to
come here though, and by excluding them now the Pandora's Box has been opened, is just
ridiculous. To start with, English and French are protected, but that does not preclude the
other languages from being spoken. Or is that what you want to silence?
To suggest the land was simply open, is also a simple idea that is not well thought out. The
land that was not being used in the manner Europeans were using it, does not mean it was
not being used. The Native peoples lived a different lifestyle and they lived off the land with
wild game and berries and fish in abundance. or did that thought not cross your mind? It was
not just here for the taking. As for fighting the Natives, in Canada to a large degree that didn't
happen the new comers just took it. If you applied the same principle in a grocery store it would
be called stealing.
The aspect to this whole thing is that once you did open the Constitution, and if you were going to
limit some foreigners rights in a multicultural society, it would cause all kinds of problems, in the
end you would be a popular as Oliver Cromwell was in England after five years of ruling the
British State. Cromwell had the same simplistic view of the world around him to.
Incidentally once you open the Constitution, it becomes a free for all and always has had a series
of very unpleasant experiences. I too would like an answer to gerryh's question, Who do you now
want to exclude from this country? This whole new party, I am beginning to think is based on fear.
The last time such a government reared its head, and wanted to limit the rights of some in order to
enhance the rights of those who were natural citizens, by turning back the clock, was Hitlers
Germany. Fear is not an option when dealing with a democratic society. The first problem you have
is there are all kinds of people you want to prevent from coming, already here, and they have a vote.
In addition, there are to many Canadians speaking English and French who would support those who
you want to exclude.
Would it not be better to encourage people to learn as many languages as possible? If we knew more
about each other we would not be hiding behind a smoke screen of fear and suspicion about our
neighbours. At first I thought what a ..... well I will restrain myself. Then I thought, You know I feel really
sorry for this person, they are missing out on the richness of life, they are limiting their horizons and
cutting themselves off from learning new things about customs and the world around them. But hey,
this is a democracy, we all have a right to our opinion in addition everyone has a right to their fantasy
as long as in some cases we don't act on them.

 

[Machjo]

Yes No what I am saying is that a massive non-white immigration into ALL white countries and ONLY into white countries is genocide. Oui un petit peu mais pas très bien Yes but they are also undergoing the same genocidal policy that is seeing white children replace in their own homes.

Now with English and french having become major world languages, resulting in many former colonists learning the former colonial languages, it's only natural that more of them would want to move to countries that speak those languages.

So, to solve that problem, would you be in favour of replacing English and French with some other language for international communication? And if so, what language would that be? I can guarantee ou that if the world replaced English and French as international languages, that immigration would gradually slow down in our countries.

Personally, I would in fact be very much in favour of Canada proposing to the UN that the UN remove English and French from its list of official languages and perhaps add Esperanto as an easy-to-learn alternative. This would reduce the UN's official languages from six (English, French, Spanish, Russian, Arabic and Mandarin Chinese) to five (Esperanto, Spanish, Russian, Arabic and Mandarin Chinese). This would present us with a number of advantages:

1. One less language at the UN would ean one less language to translate to and from, resulting in financial savings at the UN General Assembly.

2. Having an easy-to-learn language on the list of UN languages would also reduce training costs for interpretors and translators to and from that language, not to mention that some ambassadors might choose to learn that language so as to circumvent interpretation altogether when communicating with one another.

3. Removing English and French from the list would mean that anyone who aspires to work at the UN would become less interested in learning English and French, thus reducing their importance worldwide, and thus reducing their interest in immigrating to Canada.

If you're consisten in your beliefs, and seeing that such a policy would certainly help to advance some of your objectives to a certain degree in Canada, then I take it you would in fact be in favour of the proposal above, would you not?

If not, then you'd need to explain yourself big time seeing that the international role of our two official languages plays a major role in the popularity of Canada as an immigration destination.

 

[altonef]

If not, then you'd need to explain yourself big time seeing that the international role of our two official languages plays a major role in the popularity of Canada as an immigration destination.

I think it's pretty obvious that the reason immigrants want to come here is that we have built a rich successful society, not because of the language we speak. The question is do we have an obligation to give away our children's home?

 

[gerryh]

He's a fcuking racist and you mindless idiots are giving him a platform.

 

[Machjo]

I think it's pretty obvious that the reason immigrants want to come here is that we have built a rich successful society, not because of the language we speak. The question is do we have an obligation to give away our children's home?

I think it's also pretty obvious that if they learn our language throughout high school, that some of them are likely to succeed, and that they are therefore more likely to be interested in immigrating to a country that speaks that language such as Canada than to, let's say, Sweden.

I'm not saying none choose Sweden anyway for various reasons, but you're not denying are you that the global role of our languages is a contributin factor?

If you deny it, then you're quite out of touch with reality. And if you don't deny it, then certainly you'd be in favour of my proposal above. And if you's not, then I'd be curious as to your reason, if you can answer it.

He's a fcuking racist and you mindless idiots are giving him a platform.

What? You can't rise up to the challenge?

 

[bill barilko]

The Basques were here catching and drying fish long before the roast beefs showed up!

 

[DaSleeper]

Altonef: You may as well give up, No better luck here than at F D;-)

 

[Machjo]

Altonef: You may as well give up, No better luck here than at F D;-)

FD? Free Dominion? Even they thought he was too far right? Oh wow!

 

[gerryh]

What? You can't rise up to the challenge?

challenge? You find swapping excrement with a racist to be challenging? sucks to have your pea brain.

 

[Machjo]

challenge? You find swapping excrement with a racist to be challenging? sucks to have your pea brain.

Ah you're so charming.

 

[DaSleeper]

FD? Free Dominion? Even they thought he was too far right? Oh wow!

That place far right? I may have even spotted someone as Liberal as Paradox....

 

[altonef]

This certainly needs further examination. Let me say first of all that to some degree I believe
the total multicultural experiment has its limitations. To suggest that some are not worthy to
come here though, and by excluding them now the Pandora's Box has been opened, is just
ridiculous.

It's about saving our nation and saving our children from being replaced in their own home. Not about "worthyness" or anything like that.

To start with, English and French are protected, but that does not preclude the
other languages from being spoken. Or is that what you want to silence?

I care a lot more about the survival of my people than the survival of my language.

To suggest the land was simply open, is also a simple idea that is not well thought out. The
land that was not being used in the manner Europeans were using it, does not mean it was
not being used. The Native peoples lived a different lifestyle and they lived off the land with
wild game and berries and fish in abundance. or did that thought not cross your mind? It was
not just here for the taking.

Yeah of course the native americans were hunter gatherers but I don't see why this means that we have an obligation to destroy our nations through mass immigration and multiculturalism.

As for fighting the Natives, in Canada to a large degree that didn't
happen the new comers just took it. If you applied the same principle in a grocery store it would
be called stealing.

Ok, I still don't see how this justifies Canadian children being replaced in their own home.

The aspect to this whole thing is that once you did open the Constitution, and if you were going to
limit some foreigners rights in a multicultural society, it would cause all kinds of problems

Multiculturalism imposed by our political masters is what has caused "all sorts of problems" including the destruction of OUR culture and the replacing of Canadian children in their own home.

in the end you would be a popular as Oliver Cromwell was in England after five years of ruling the
British State. Cromwell had the same simplistic view of the world around him to.

Don't get me started on Cromwell, his genocide of the Irish was totally evil. I am not too concerned about "popularity" I'll leave that to Harper and Ignatieff. Perhaps I am being "simplistic" but an ideology that say's ALL white countries and ONLY white countries must become non-white is genocide. Not only are white people a minority in the world (about 9-10% of the population) but we are poised to become minorities IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES within a few decades, this is genocide and I would not consider myself a good, moral person if I did not oppose it.

This whole new party, I am beginning to think is based on fear.

To fear what threatens your existence is healthy. State sponsored genocide of my people is something to be very fearful of.

The last time such a government reared its head, and wanted to limit the rights of some in order to
enhance the rights of those who were natural citizens, by turning back the clock, was Hitlers
Germany.

Here we go, any white person that thinks they have a right to survive is a nazi who wants to kill six million jews. Ok.

Fear is not an option when dealing with a democratic society. The first problem you have
is there are all kinds of people you want to prevent from coming, already here, and they have a vote.

You've hit upon a very important point politicians import foreigners in order to get them to vote for their party, this is well know and admitted. The conservatives said that they would admit lots of chinese to make them "our italians" essentially ethnic vote banks for the conservatives. In a democracy the people are supposed to have the power to replace the government but it turn out that actually the government has the power to replace the people, any boy do they use that power.

challenge? You find swapping excrement with a racist to be challenging? sucks to have your pea brain.

Racist is a word used to bully any white person who stands up for themsevles. It is also a word used to imply that any white person who stands up for themselves, their culture or their ethnicity is an evil murderer. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white

 

[Machjo]

I'm still waiting, Altonef. Any time.

 

[altonef]

I'm still waiting, Altonef. Any time.

Waiting for what?

 

[Machjo]

Waiting for what?

Removing English and French from teh list of official UN languages so as to not encourage so many from learning them thus reducing, at lest somewhat, the number of applicants for immigration and also the number that could qualify?

You would support that would you not? Or am I wrong? And if so, then how so?

Or do you pretend that the second language one learns will not affect in the least the country he decides to move to?

Or is it that you want the best of both worlds: Keep the hordes at the gate but still force our cultures on the world stage. Can't have it both ways... if you're honest that is. I'm still waiting for a response either way though. Tough one to answer isn't it.

 

[altonef]

Removing English and French from teh list of official UN languages so as to not encourage so many from learning them thus reducing, at lest somewhat, the number of applicants for immigration and also the number that could qualify?

I don't really care what languages are on the UN list of official languages nor do I care what language anyone choose to learn. I care that the political masters in this country don't see anything wrong with destroying my nation and creating some sort of blended humanity in ONLY white children's homes, it's genocide.

Or do you pretend that the second language one learns will not affect in the least the country he decides to move to?

People can choose to move to whatever country they want. It's up that that country to decide to let them in.

 

[Machjo]

I don't really care what languages are on the UN list of official languages nor do I care what language anyone choose to learn. I care that the political masters in this country don't see anything wrong with destroying my nation and creating some sort of blended humanity in ONLY white children's homes, it's genocide. People can choose to move to whatever country they want. It's up that that country to decide to let them in.

You don't care how international policies affect us at home?

Now think about this. Let's suppose that most Canadians oppose your proposal to restrict immigration, and so you had to think up some other strategy to keep them out, either by making Canada a less attractive destination for them or by reducing their chances of meeting the immigration requirements. Think of it as looking for the point of least resistance to achieve your goal. What would be your strategy then. I'm just curious.