Why does the left hate Israel?
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But how to organize this global community?
One thing I'd love to see would be a common world citizenship. With so many flooding Canada to benefit from its social services, it would not take long for many on the left to convert from more socialist or communist inclinations for a more anarchistic or libertarian or at most corporatist left, seeing that those would really be the only sustainable options available. After all, with socialism or communism, we try to maintain a minimal standard of living for all, but if too many poor come to benefit from it, it would just collapse. At that stage, they'd have no choice but to turn to something more moderate, such as some form of moderate anarchism or libertarianism (whereby basic freedoms would still be respected and perhaps even expanded, but 'rights' would have to be reduced to the basics, no mosr guaranteed quality government services on so many fronts) or some form of social corporatism (which may go so far as democratizing the workplace, but that's a far cry from guaranteed minimum standards of living). This would force the left into a tough corner: does it become anti-immigration or does it turn to some form of social corporatism or libertarianism?
So how do we co-ordinate air transport, criminals seeking refuge abroad, international banking etc. etc. etc.
Just as recently as the 1970s when the UK still did not have extradition treaties with Spain, British crooks would steal millions and then run to Spain. What about INTERPOL and its work in fighting child pornography, international organized crime, etc.?
In some respects, we have the basics of a world government already. It's a question of degrees. To on extreme, we'd have those who'd say scrap all international organizations and just hope planes don't crash into each other and that criminals who escape the country just don't come back and that nuclear weapons don't get into the wrong hands.
To the other extreme we might have those who'd like a world dictatorship. Then in the middle we'd likely have, leaning somewhat against world government, those in favour of world inter-governmental organizations like we have now. And then we have those like myself more in favour of decentralized elected world federation with common citizenship and so more freedom than ever before.
So where do you stand along that spectrum?
What exactly does this have to do with the ethically challenged and morally bankrupt left?
Nothing, granted. But back on topic, as you yourself pointed out in an earlier post, "but the left and right have no concept of it. The right runs rough shod over it, and the left haven't clue one what it is."
So while I agree with all the comments about the left, is the right any better? Bush stomped all over the constitutional rights of the Guantanamo detainees, even the most basic ones of Habeas Corpus!
So it's really not a right vs. left thing, but rather many on the right wanting to run roughshod over the constitutional rights of others and many on the left, well, wants Israel wiped off the world map despite international laws recognizing its right to exist. Neither side has any respect for international law and that's the main source of our problems. If they all did, we coudl then agree on that and so both Israel and Palestine would be quick to turn to their law books in recognition of the fact that whoever abides by the law will get our support, and whoever doesn't, our wrath, with no discrimination towards either side. Right now they are so polarized many on the left (though not all) overlook Palestinian attrocities, while many on the right (and again not all) ignore Israel's violations of human rights and the attrocities it's committed.
Why does the Left hate Israel? Reminds me of a story:
Once upon a time there was great flood and all creatures had to make it across a river to save their lives. Near the end there was only a scorpion and a frog on the wrong side of the river.
So, the scorpion said to the frog: "Mr. Frog, can I ride on your back while you swim across. You know, I can't swim". The frog replied: "Mr. Scorpion you are well known for duplicity, lies, and backstabbing. How do I know you will not hurt me if I agree to help you?" The scorpion replied: "Do yo think I would want to die? Do you think I am a suicidal idiot? Don't you think that if you perish in the river, so will I?"
Well, the frog fell for the promises made by the scorpion. Halfway across the rive, the scorpion - breaking his word - plunged his poisonous stinger in the back of the frog. With his last breath the frog said: "Why, Mr. Scorpion?" and the scorpion replied: "I can't help it! It is my nature!"
Once upon a time there was great flood and all creatures had to make it across a river to save their lives. Near the end there was only a scorpion and a frog on the wrong side of the river.
So, the scorpion said to the frog: "Mr. Frog, can I ride on your back while you swim across. You know, I can't swim". The frog replied: "Mr. Scorpion you are well known for duplicity, lies, and backstabbing. How do I know you will not hurt me if I agree to help you?" The scorpion replied: "Do yo think I would want to die? Do you think I am a suicidal idiot? Don't you think that if you perish in the river, so will I?"
Well, the frog fell for the promises made by the scorpion. Halfway across the rive, the scorpion - breaking his word - plunged his poisonous stinger in the back of the frog. With his last breath the frog said: "Why, Mr. Scorpion?" and the scorpion replied: "I can't help it! It is my nature!"
Nope.
Whic is why you'll never see me singing his praises.
Not really. It isn't just central to the topic of Israel or Constitutional rights.
Again, not really.
You think so? You seem to think that the extremists run everything as it is. They don't. The rule of law is why Israel wasn't brought to court over the Flotilla raid. The rule of law is why claims made against Israel at the ICC, are dismissed.
You bet. But only one side has an actual written policy enforcing atrocities. And it ain't the Israelis.
An excellent article, huh? It seemed to me to be a whole lot of splitting hairs-like logic (making distinctions between "leftists" and "liberals" as if one is ethically inferior to the other). I don't mind such distinctions, but whatever points that are based upon them are questionable.
When it comes to the Jewish vote its like the old Stealers Wheel song with a lyric change.
Jews to the left of me, Jews to the right and I'm stuck in the middle with you.
Those who hate the Jews come from the entire spectrum political spectrum. The
Nazi Movement hated them and they the Nazis (National Socialists) were extreme and I
mean extreme Conservatives on the right wing, not left as many believe. Then there is
the average middle of the road White Liberal, who is steeped in the traditions of the Christian
religion, from all kinds we have even seen drunk movie star Catholics who express their
drunken rage anti semitic beliefs and say sorry when they sober up.
There are the various ethnic groups, not all Muslims either who make their anti Jewish
comments. Some in the Black Community and others. I don't believe we can generalize
and say the left hates Jewish People and leave out everyone else. There are a lot of people
on the left, right and center, and those within the conflicting ethnic groups that don't hate
Jews or anyone else for that matter.
On some issues I am on the left, I certainly don't hate Jews, I don't think my one Grand daughter
would like it if I went about hating her, or my daughter in law for that matter, and she came from
Israel.
I think merely listening and reading the rantings of a few people on the left or right does not mean
that the vast majority of left or right hate Israel. It is commentary and nothing more.
I suppose the left does to some degree demonstrate sympathy for those in conflict with Israel is
because those on the left, believe Israel is an obstruction to peace and the economics of the
region has a prosperous Israel and a poverty stricken Palestinian Region.
The real problem is the obstruction to the kind of peace some western diplomats would like to see
is the real problem, Who's peace and based on what criteria? The economics of the region are
not based on monetary principles, believe it or not. They are based on religious principles and
ideological views. In the Arab World, we are to receive Gods gifts when we reach the state of
paradise or heaven. That is the mental signal that we are here to suffer the wages of life, where
as the neighbours Israel believe you can have heaven right here in the present.
I believe it is more about jealous envy than it is about hatred. If others decided to get with the
modern world in that region there would be less poverty with prosperity.
To make a blanket statement that either the left or the right hates Israel is too simple without looking
at the issues surrounding the basic tensions in the middle east and those who see Israel as a
problem they need to solve.
Jews to the left of me, Jews to the right and I'm stuck in the middle with you.
Those who hate the Jews come from the entire spectrum political spectrum. The
Nazi Movement hated them and they the Nazis (National Socialists) were extreme and I
mean extreme Conservatives on the right wing, not left as many believe. Then there is
the average middle of the road White Liberal, who is steeped in the traditions of the Christian
religion, from all kinds we have even seen drunk movie star Catholics who express their
drunken rage anti semitic beliefs and say sorry when they sober up.
There are the various ethnic groups, not all Muslims either who make their anti Jewish
comments. Some in the Black Community and others. I don't believe we can generalize
and say the left hates Jewish People and leave out everyone else. There are a lot of people
on the left, right and center, and those within the conflicting ethnic groups that don't hate
Jews or anyone else for that matter.
On some issues I am on the left, I certainly don't hate Jews, I don't think my one Grand daughter
would like it if I went about hating her, or my daughter in law for that matter, and she came from
Israel.
I think merely listening and reading the rantings of a few people on the left or right does not mean
that the vast majority of left or right hate Israel. It is commentary and nothing more.
I suppose the left does to some degree demonstrate sympathy for those in conflict with Israel is
because those on the left, believe Israel is an obstruction to peace and the economics of the
region has a prosperous Israel and a poverty stricken Palestinian Region.
The real problem is the obstruction to the kind of peace some western diplomats would like to see
is the real problem, Who's peace and based on what criteria? The economics of the region are
not based on monetary principles, believe it or not. They are based on religious principles and
ideological views. In the Arab World, we are to receive Gods gifts when we reach the state of
paradise or heaven. That is the mental signal that we are here to suffer the wages of life, where
as the neighbours Israel believe you can have heaven right here in the present.
I believe it is more about jealous envy than it is about hatred. If others decided to get with the
modern world in that region there would be less poverty with prosperity.
To make a blanket statement that either the left or the right hates Israel is too simple without looking
at the issues surrounding the basic tensions in the middle east and those who see Israel as a
problem they need to solve.
No, it's like what I just said. A whole lot of logic that is split so narrowly as to mean almost nothing. I don't like it when someone assumes they know what a broadly defined political persuasion believes ("the Left" in the very title of the article), much less when they assume the existence of divisions of that persuasion and what the distinctions are among those divisions.
The article is an interesting exercise in linear logic, but whether the logic actually amounts to something objective, I doubt it.
I wouldn't call that article objective in the least.
But it is bang on.
Whether you can admit it or not.
Which is likely caused by the fact that you saw yourself in there.
You apparently know more about me than I do. You should, like, have a carnival act or something.
Just going by your posts Icky.
Nah, there's no room for 2 CC'ers at the carnival. What with your monkey boy act and all.
Besides, I'm to busy with hunting, volunteering, welding, and right now, vacationing.
Mach isn't exactly your run of the mill left type guy. He sometimes thinks out side the box.
Oh look the resident rodent has arrived and deposited his usual wistful meanderings of dementia. You sound agitated, did you chip a tooth on some morning wood?The dancing mentally challenged trash heap bear. exactly
just concentrate on the dancing, you are one of those who is only funny when they think they are serious
By definition, a colony (which is what you require to have colonialism) is land controlled by a foreign power. In a world federation, all countries would be equal with elected representatives, thus making it collective governmance on a global scale, so there would be no land controlled by an external country.
To take an example, imagine that there was no Federal government in Canada, but rather we merely had the government of Ontario governing the whole of Canada. What Ontario would be practicing beyond its borders would be colonialism. With a Federal Government representing all provinces equally, we have federalism, not colonailism. There is a difference.