Oh Peta, I forgot about them, I always thought Peta stood for
People Eating Tasty Animals but then what do I know.
People Eating Tasty Animals but then what do I know.
Trudeau defends holiday fur card
- Thread starter Johnny Utah
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Make no mistake .. no one is suggesting that boatloads of Tamils should land on our unsecure borders and kill our wild animals ... but some people can wear fur.
They only eat tasty animals at their special events ... and they eat them because they want to get a full understanding of what it is they are asking people not to do. It's like teaching pollice officers all about the different grades of pot by giving them samples ... for research & educational purposes.
They only eat tasty animals at their special events ... and they eat them because they want to get a full understanding of what it is they are asking people not to do. It's like teaching pollice officers all about the different grades of pot by giving them samples ... for research & educational purposes.
Are you saying that you don't care about Canadian culture and want PETA to have their say?
Are you saying that you don't care if people wear furs?
Are you saying that you don't care about PETA?
Are you saying that you don't agree that only certain people (not boat people) should be allowed to wear Canadian Fur?
Are you saying that you don't care if this status symbol, this Canadian culture, is lost?
Are you saying that you don't care if people wear furs?
Are you saying that you don't care about PETA?
Are you saying that you don't agree that only certain people (not boat people) should be allowed to wear Canadian Fur?
Are you saying that you don't care if this status symbol, this Canadian culture, is lost?
I'm saying that coyotes are varmits that I shoot on sight, so I damn sure don't care if anyone wears them.
I sure as hell don't care about PETA.
In fact, I rather like that Mr. Trudeau stuck his thumb in their eye.
But I also don't care for Mr. Trudeau.....a lightweight.
Well .. then it seems we're all in favour of Canadian culture, the right to do as we please, the right to be laid back, and the right to be politically correct until it tries to shoot dynamite up our butts.
Could someone please tell PETA that they can do what they want so long as they don't attempt to suppress our cultural rights.
Could someone please tell PETA that they can do what they want so long as they don't attempt to suppress our cultural rights.
Et qui définit la culture canadienne?
I guess here's my take on all of this. For compassionate reasons, I choose to live a vegan lifestyle to the best of my ability. As for culture, first off we need to make a distinction between tradition and culture. Tradition is something we do as a habit passed down from generation to generation, without any understanding of why it's done. Though it may have had a purpose in the past, that purpose has since been lost. Culture is something we make a conscious decision to do with a clear understanding of why we do it owing to education.
A good example of a cultural mindset in English literature for instance would be William Blake. Robert Hayden would be another. They challenged many ideas and traditions of their times based on an acute understanding of social injustices. As a result, many of Blake's ideas, which might not always have been popular in his time, are now generally accepted as part of civilized society. As for Robert Hayden, though I'm sure his writings are having their impact too, we have yet to see the extent in the future since he's more recent.
Rudyard Kipling would be an example of a tradition-based mindset. He was a strong supporter of the British Empire and 'the white man's burden' (from the title of one of his poems). Charles Roberts, 'the father of Canadian poetry', and more or less of the same timeframe as Kipling, likewise could fall into this category to a degree. They both exhibited an unquestioning acceptance of commonly held beliefs, including concerning the role of the British Empire (Remember Canada was essentially a part of it too).
So before we start throwing baseless rhetoric about this or that being 'un-Canadian', let's think about what we're saying shall we? Blind tradition is not to be confused with culture. Tradition never advanced society. In fact, it is merely blind and uncritical acceptance of what has been passed down. Culture is critical by definition as it is based on a mind cultivated by a critical education.
What's the big deal? I have two great pyrenees and they would kill any of the diseased vermin that have taken over the Prairies if they got the chance. I suppose if the Trudeaus were wearing polyester they would be condemned for supporting the petrochemical industry.
As for my take on this whole issue, while I'm vegan myself on compassionte grounds, I don't see the point of PETA criticizing the Trudeaus so publicly here. After all, I know a PETA member who loves her hamburgers, so who are they to preach to others until they get their own act in order. I may agree with them in principle, but I don't agree with their tactics. Just focus on ensuring PETA members promote more compassionate practices among their members, and others will want to follow their example. By preaching without practicing, PETA makes itself into a laughing stock.
So yes, I disagree with what the Trudeaus did, but it is their choice in the end.
And you have a point here. Heck, I probably buy polyester products in large quality myself without thinkng about it. We can't all be perfect. While I may lead a more vegan lifestyle and try to walk or cycle as much as possible, I'm still not perfect. Looking at it that way, while the Trudeaus made a bad decision in the photos, they may have other lifestyle haits that I could learn from. So who am I to judge. If PETA were sincere in its objectives, rather than criticizing the Trudeaus so publicly, it would have sent them educational material privately without the public knowing. By criticizing the Trudeaus so publicly, they were clearly not intent on educating the Trudeaus, but rather on winning marketing brownie points, and that's not acceptable.
Though it would still be laughable to impy that PETA is somehow 'un-Canadian' because of this. We don't need to bow to cheap rhetoric to make a point.
So yes, I disagree with what the Trudeaus did, but it is their choice in the end.
And you have a point here. Heck, I probably buy polyester products in large quality myself without thinkng about it. We can't all be perfect. While I may lead a more vegan lifestyle and try to walk or cycle as much as possible, I'm still not perfect. Looking at it that way, while the Trudeaus made a bad decision in the photos, they may have other lifestyle haits that I could learn from. So who am I to judge. If PETA were sincere in its objectives, rather than criticizing the Trudeaus so publicly, it would have sent them educational material privately without the public knowing. By criticizing the Trudeaus so publicly, they were clearly not intent on educating the Trudeaus, but rather on winning marketing brownie points, and that's not acceptable.
Though it would still be laughable to impy that PETA is somehow 'un-Canadian' because of this. We don't need to bow to cheap rhetoric to make a point.
It has a nice ring to it, eh?
The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau, the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada...
The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau, the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada...
Er... I suppose. But would't 'Ministeroff Kanada, the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada' sound even better?
And how does this relate to wearing furs?
Easy skippy, let's not get caught up in Trudeau mania now.
Ya it's amazing how because he's a Trudeau, the usual suspects will sell out their moral code, and give him a pass.
Why didn't that pic of you, in your photo album?
You forced me to neg rep you for that. It gave me the creeps!!!
Well, hey, it was better than:
Her Excellency the Right Honourable Hedy Fry P.C., C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General and Commander-in-Chief in and over Canada, wasn't it? :lol:
As to the topic at hand, I think that this card was entirely appropriate; it supports aboriginal Canadians, and supports a thoroughly Canadian industry. PETA is way off the mark on this; there is nothing "disturbing" at all about the card--except, perhaps, for the disturbing hyperpartisanship of some of these fringe organisations taking offence at a freakin' Christmas card.
You bet, and for that laugh, you got a greenie!!!
It's that grasp of reality, that makes you one of the best Liberals I've ever met buddy.
Can you guess how long it took me to get banned off the PETA forum?
On Rabble.ca I was a Francophobe. But funnier still, the ones accusing me of this got offended when I switched to French because we were on an English-language forum and they couldn't follow me! They first accused me of being a Francophobe and then insisted I speak English. They just couldn't make up their minds.