Your Child's Religion Is My Business Too
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But society at large has no religion. I think we can safely say that we have moved beyond the era where the state is directly tied to Christianity and with that in mind, I consider our state officially secular. At the very least this is crystal clear in Quebec, where Christianity took a very steep downwards fall since the 60's.
And while I'm sure that many religious folks would love to see Quebec, or Canada officially embrace their religion, it seems evident to me that nearly everyone will prefer a secular state to a state which officially embraces a religion that is not one's own.
Let me be more clear. What I'm saying is that secularism is the best compromise for everyone. It's the only system we developed that has the merit to give everyone freedom of religion and have no bias for or against any religion in particular.
The view that everyone should have the right to freely practise one's religion so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else is to me clearly better than the view that ''my religion is the best religion and everyone should follow it.'' In such a system, more social peace can be brought to larger and more diverse groups of people.
In a sense, you could call secular humanism a new religion and if you did, I'd be proud to consider myself religious and would state that my religion is better than let's say, Roman Catholicism because my religion is inclusive of all religions while the other is not.
But I don't think it would be honest to call secular humanism a religion. It's a philosophy in which moral choices are made out of common sense rather than out of belief in an unprovable metaphysical state of affairs.
Can we agree that you have the right to teach your child whatever religion you want so long as society at large has the right to teach your child the value of secular humanism?
I disagree. Whether or not you are religious, religion is an important subject because many people are and it influences how they think and act.
An athiest can still gain value from learning religions, not because he believes they are anything but garbage, but because he can better understand the thought process of those who think them true.
It may have been an African proverb, but I first heard it from Hillary and I give her the credit, at least for making Americans familiar with it.
Quite so. That is why even though I am an Atheist, I would support a course on comparative religion in schools. However, I think it should be made optional, it should be one of the electives.
a state run in large part by 'kids' who were young enough to be sent off to residential school to be properly educated in religion... because that's what was popular. We're not far off from this, why is it no one seems to remember when religious instruction was left to what was most popular?
No. We can't agree on that. 'Society at large' is too transient to dictate what my child should be taught, or subject to. Society at large used to be largely Christian, and visited horrors upon children of a variety of backgrounds. Society at large is currently secular. Given immigration trends, society may end up largely Islamic. I don't think the way my children are raised should be subject to the make-up of 'society at large', I think there should be freedoms in place to guarantee the freedom (so to speak) of their education and upbringing.
as a defined atheist, I agree wholeheartedly. As a grade oner, I disagree.
I don't quite get what you're trying to say here.
I'll have to disagree with that.
I think the whole point of this thread is that we're not supposed to learn what Islam is. We're supposed to shield our precious darling children from ever learning anything other than what we as parents decide to teach them.
Bingo.
And whether that be Nazism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Shintoism, or belief in the Great Spaghetti Monster, it has to be done in such a way as to not become abhorrent to society at large.
I think that was a piece of idiocy dreamt up by Hillary, so the source should be considered. (I think that was the same woman who stepped off the plane into a deluge of bombs and missiles, if memory serves me correctly) So she may have been suffering from shell shock when she made the statement. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
"I think that was a piece of idiocy dreamt up by Hillary, so the source should be considered. (I think that was the same woman who stepped off the plane into a deluge of bombs and missiles, if memory serves me correctly) So she may have been suffering from shell shock when she made the statement. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:"
True, but the statement by GWB that Islam is a religion of peace is even more idiotic. It changed the way terrorists ought to be treated. A REAL shame!
True, but the statement by GWB that Islam is a religion of peace is even more idiotic. It changed the way terrorists ought to be treated. A REAL shame!
The child belongs to them a hell of a lot more then they belong to you. They are the ones who hold legal responsibility over the child's welfare, the child carries their DNA, not yours and certainly not the governments, thus in most cases, whatever happens to the child usually falls back on the parents of that child.... therefore they have every damn right to determine their religious beliefs, their type of education, where they will be educated, the medical procedures they may undergo..... etc.
The child is THEIR child.... they created the child, but just because the child is not actually "Property" that doesn't mean the child doesn't still belong to them as THEIR OWN child.
No it is not. It is none of my business what school you take your child to, it is none of my business if you home school your child and it's none of my business what classes/courses your child takes, be that in elementary, high school or a post secondary education... it is none of my business so long as what occurs to the child in question stays within the confines of the law.... just as it is none of your business in the same regard.
Fair enough. With that in mind, all parents should be held criminally and financially liable for the children, even past the age of 18.