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wulfie68

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I agree that the IIHF guy was way out to lunch. The tournament had started already when Sid was eliminated. Why should he hop a plane to immediately play for Team Canada? Better yet, why do they have this tournament in an Olympic year? Isn't it redundant?

Oh yeah, Go Blackhawks (Mom always loved Stan Mikita :p )
 

gopher

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"Stan Mikita :razz: "

I was a big hockey fan many moons ago and he was one of my faves back then.

Like most Yanks, I gave up on NHL hockey a long time ago, especially when that stupid son of shiiitt Norm Coleman stole our tax dollars to finance the Xcel Center. When that bassturd did it, we ran out of money for youth and scholastic hockey. Today, we no longer have a scholastic hockey league in St Paul. Years ago this was the king of sports in this state. Losing it was tantamount to NYC losing the Yankees. City life here has never and will never be the same. May Coleman burn in hell for what he did.
 

talloola

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Very good game tonight with chicago and san jose, fast pace,
both teams getting good chances, ended regulation time tied
at 2, then part way through overtime byfuglen got a pass
from behind the net and scored.

Chicago are now ahead 3 games to 0, with another game in
chicago on Sunday afternoon, could end it.

GO HAWKS GO
 

Mowich

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Very good game tonight with chicago and san jose, fast pace,
both teams getting good chances, ended regulation time tied
at 2, then part way through overtime byfuglen got a pass
from behind the net and scored.

Chicago are now ahead 3 games to 0, with another game in
chicago on Sunday afternoon, could end it.

GO HAWKS GO

The Sharks tried their best, tallola but it was not to be. Even with all the penalties they had a hard time getting past Niemi. Methinks that the Sharks will go down to defeat next game. The Hawks are simply soaring and the Sharks are diving.
 

YukonJack

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Gopher, I guess miracles never cease! I agree with you.

My epiphany about hockey being nothing but a "sport" for goons, of goons and by goons came when the Philadelphia Bullies won the Stanley Cup in 1974 and 1975.

Lord Stanley must have been spinning in his grave.

Since then hockey has been dead for me. After all if I want to see goons, I can always watch Wrestling, that has the decency of not trying to pretend to be something that it is not.
 

talloola

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Gopher, I guess miracles never cease! I agree with you.

My epiphany about hockey being nothing but a "sport" for goons, of goons and by goons came when the Philadelphia Bullies won the Stanley Cup in 1974 and 1975.

Lord Stanley must have been spinning in his grave.

Since then hockey has been dead for me. After all if I want to see goons, I can always watch Wrestling, that has the decency of not trying to pretend to be something that it is not.

very obvious that you haven't watched for years, or kept
up to date, as your opinion only reflects what it was like
then,( and even then it wasn't 'all' like that,) the hockey
these days is much different.
 

Kreskin

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Jack, they switched from chain-link fencing to plexiglass. Check it out.
 

wulfie68

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Gopher, I guess miracles never cease! I agree with you.

My epiphany about hockey being nothing but a "sport" for goons, of goons and by goons came when the Philadelphia Bullies won the Stanley Cup in 1974 and 1975.

Lord Stanley must have been spinning in his grave.

Since then hockey has been dead for me. After all if I want to see goons, I can always watch Wrestling, that has the decency of not trying to pretend to be something that it is not.

So I take you hated players like Rocket Richard and Gordie Howe, who were capable and known to take the occasional cheap shots at opposition players?

There's an irony here in that the Flyers with guys like Schultz, Dupont et al were the death knell for that type of hockey. Sure, there were fights and tough guys, but no where near the scale as in those days. After the Flyers came three dynasties built on speed and skill: the Montreal Canadiens with Lafleur, Robinson, Dryden and company who won 4 Cups in a row; the Islanders with Bossy, Trottier, Potvin and Co. who also won 4 in a row; and the Oilers who won 5 Cups in 7 years with names like Gretzky, Kuri and Messsier. All of these teams had tough guys on the roster (especially Edmonton with Semenko and Dave Brown) but that wasn't their hallmark. Eventually the game degraded again because of the New Jersey method of clutch and grab defense, developed to counter the skill of players like Gretzky and Mario Lemieux, but again the league took steps (more radical ones this time) to eliminate the elements that were slowing the game down and suppressing the ability of the skilled players to showcase their talents.

When you watch the modern Blackhawks, Penguins or Canucks, you're seeing speed and talent again. There's toughness too: its still a contact sport and that physical edge is something thats intrinsic to the game, but its far from out of control like in the mid 70s. That hockey wasn't quite more akin to the WWE than what is on the ice today but its close.
 

YukonJack

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I gave up hockey in 1975 with a heavy heart. After having seen unprecedented hockey excellence in the 1972 Canada-Soviet series, I wondered why is there any need for violence.

The NHL never answered my question.

If there was a rule tomorrow or at least beginning next season that any player who throws a punch is suspended for at least 10 games, I might watch hockey again.

BTW, I still watch and enjoy International hockey.
 

talloola

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Congratulations to the Chicago Black Hawks for sweeping the
San Jose Sharks 4 straight to win the western conference
championship, and a berth into the stanley cup finals.

Jonathan Toews, Captain of the hawks, accepted the clarence
campbell trophy, but as tradition has it, he did not touch
the trophy, just shook hands in acceptance and skated away.
It is considered bad luck to touch that trophy, as they
haven't won yet, and do not want to jinx themselves going
into the finals.
All the teams do the same.

They await the winner between the habs and phillidelphia,
next game monday at 4, if philly win, it is over.

We want the stanley cup back in the 'western conference'.

GO HAWKS GO
 

Mowich

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Congratulations to the Chicago Black Hawks for sweeping the
San Jose Sharks 4 straight to win the western conference
championship, and a berth into the stanley cup finals.

Jonathan Toews, Captain of the hawks, accepted the clarence
campbell trophy, but as tradition has it, he did not touch
the trophy, just shook hands in acceptance and skated away.
It is considered bad luck to touch that trophy, as they
haven't won yet, and do not want to jinx themselves going
into the finals.
All the teams do the same.

They await the winner between the habs and phillidelphia,
next game monday at 4, if philly win, it is over.

We want the stanley cup back in the 'western conference'.

GO HAWKS GO

Congratulations to the Hawks who played a pretty disciplined and tight game compared to the Sharks IMHO - especially in the third period. The Sharks simply fell apart and those three penalties were their death knell. Too bad as they were leading for awhile but the better team won.

Anyone's guess at this point whether or not the Canadiens can pull another rabbit out of the hat tonight and force the Flyers to another game.

COME ON HABS, YOU REALLY CAN DO IT. I BELIEVE. :smile:
 

wulfie68

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Jack, the international stuff is for pansies.

The problem with international tourneys are multiple:

- length is too short to generate any rivalries worthy of the name. Yes we all want to beat the Russians or the Americans or the Swedes but there isn't a lot of animosity, like we see in league (especially divisional) play. Things like the old Flames-Oilers hate-fests of the 80s added intensity to the games.

- talent is substandard. Not so much at the Olympics but in tourneys like the World Championship, many of the best players have other commitments. The other issue is with have/have-not countries. There's about 3 tiers of national teams that compete. Canada can ice probably 3 teams with an equivalent or superior level to most other national teams, whereas the Czech, Slovak, Finnish, etc. teams are clear under dogs and the Baltic, German or Swiss teams have a hard time being competitive.

-rules and officiating in the international game is sub-standard. Prime example is in the Olympics where a defenseman had to head for the bench because his helmet came off, which created an odd man rush and the goal that decided the bronze medal game. Also one other thing can be said, for all their warts, NHL refs, for all our complaints, aren't as nationalistic/political as IIHF refs.

As for tonight, I hope the Flyers finish off the Habs and I can start rooting for the Blackhawks to end their drought!
 

talloola

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The problem with international tourneys are multiple:

- length is too short to generate any rivalries worthy of the name. Yes we all want to beat the Russians or the Americans or the Swedes but there isn't a lot of animosity, like we see in league (especially divisional) play. Things like the old Flames-Oilers hate-fests of the 80s added intensity to the games.

- talent is substandard. Not so much at the Olympics but in tourneys like the World Championship, many of the best players have other commitments. The other issue is with have/have-not countries. There's about 3 tiers of national teams that compete. Canada can ice probably 3 teams with an equivalent or superior level to most other national teams, whereas the Czech, Slovak, Finnish, etc. teams are clear under dogs and the Baltic, German or Swiss teams have a hard time being competitive.

-rules and officiating in the international game is sub-standard. Prime example is in the Olympics where a defenseman had to head for the bench because his helmet came off, which created an odd man rush and the goal that decided the bronze medal game. Also one other thing can be said, for all their warts, NHL refs, for all our complaints, aren't as nationalistic/political as IIHF refs.

As for tonight, I hope the Flyers finish off the Habs and I can start rooting for the Blackhawks to end their drought!

the ice size is a major difference in the two games, so much
time on that big ice sheet, it takes north american teams
a while to adjust. Dave Tomlinson on team 1040 played in
the NHL then in europe for a few years and explained in
detail many different 'plays' and how they differed on
each ice sheet.
The one thing that north american teams
have to learn to do very quickly is 'slow' their game down,
as in the NHL they have to react instantly when they receive
the puck and immediately do something else with it, and on
the big ice one can hang on to it for awhile, skate with it
then make the play. And he said when you are in the corner
with the puck the goalie is a long way off.

This years canadian team were very young, and the experience
of this tournament was huge for them, and next time they will
be better.

I always remember the interview with Markus Naslund, he
loved the north american ice, said the game is much more
exciting.
 

talloola

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The NHL had their awards ceremony tonight, and I was thrilled to hear henrik sedin's name called out for
the winner of the Hart Trophy, 'most valuable player in the NHL, he beat out ovetchkin and crosby.

NHL.com will have all the results if anyone is interested.
 

talloola

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Avro

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The NHL had their awards ceremony tonight, and I was thrilled to hear henrik sedin's name called out for
the winner of the Hart Trophy, 'most valuable player in the NHL, he beat out ovetchkin and crosby.

NHL.com will have all the results if anyone is interested.

Sedin was my pick and I am sooooo glad Green didn't get the Norris trophy.

The guy is useless.:roll:

Not sure how he was even nominated.

Keith is so superior and of course won.:canada:
 

talloola

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Sedin was my pick and I am sooooo glad Green didn't get the Norris trophy.

The guy is useless.:roll:

Not sure how he was even nominated.

Keith is so superior and of course won.:canada:

I was happy too, but very disapointed in guy lafleur when he couldn't even pronounce his name, very tacky,
and my all time player too, I think I'll finally drop him and move on. lol

I didn't think green would ever win that award, and if he had of won it, then there would have been
some thing terribly wrong. He plays on a very offensive talented team, but if he was on a team that
needed him to be very steady and strong back on that blue line, he would let them down every time.
He makes too many mistakes, but he does have potential to become much better, he needs a coach who
will help him and not just let him do what he wants.
 

Kreskin

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I don't want to overstate the skills of the Sedins but a few times this year I saw skills that even Gretzky didn't have.

The TSN play of the year was their final goal of the year - the tip pass. That has never been in anyone's playbook.

Henrik's Hart trophy was well deserved.
 

talloola

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I don't want to overstate the skills of the Sedins but a few times this year I saw skills that even Gretzky didn't have.

The TSN play of the year was their final goal of the year - the tip pass. That has never been in anyone's playbook.

Henrik's Hart trophy was well deserved.

yes it was, and that goal from the beginning of the play till the puck went in the net was amazing

to watch.