P.S. Just had a memory....when I was a kid I had a big poster of Dale Talon in my room. In downtown Toronto.
Hmmm.
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P.S. Just had a memory....when I was a kid I had a big poster of Dale Talon in my room. In downtown Toronto.
Hmmm.
Of course, you being one of the be-nighted wouldn't understand; you didn't experience it. It has been literally DECADES of media focus on the worst team in Canada, rather than on top performing teams, leading to frustration by hockey fans who want to know whats going on elsewhere. A great example of the media's obsession was before Brian Burke was hired as GM for the Leafs: the playoffs were still in full swing (I believe the Canuckleheads were even still in it) but the media focused on what was happening and what might happen in Hogtown, not what was happening elsewhere, where hockey was still being played. My favorite teams may not have been involved but I was a lot more interested in the hockey being played than the draft aspirations/strategy of most of the non-contending teams.
As I said, it was mostly the media, that turned me (and many Westerners that I know) off the Leafs (and to some degree the Habs, although the Habs also felt a lot of French-English backlash too). Its not necessarily the fans.
Again, it refer you back to my statement that my antipathy for the Leafs was media driven. I would expect any hockey fan to know who the biggest stars in the game are, regardless of how often they get to see them. And yes, I am disdainful of CBC and HNIC... and TSN is as bad, if not worse.
The Toronto based (and biased) sports media, but I think you're sadly mistaken if you believe the Leafs didn't relish the mantle.
We'll just have to disagree here. I think they do masquerade. For all the history behind them, the Leafs don't have a history of excellence except in attracting fans desperate enough for a hockey fix that they will support whatever they can get. Consistently losing and underachieving does not make a prestigious franchise (see the NFL's Detroit Lions).
Its not as long as its kept within reason. When all a person does is chirp about how much better everything is back where they came from, after a while it evokes a response (sometimes spoken, sometimes not) of "if everything is so perfect there, then why the hell don't you go back?".
Well ok. Again, the media focus is going to be where the ratings are, period. That more people are interested in the "worst team in Canada" is just the way it is. Give them a reason to change. Go to a game. Sheesh, I don't know about out west but here we would shake our heads at the availability of tickets for Ottawa playoff games. This while the fan forums are full of excuses about Toronto's bigger budget. Here's a clue....BUY A TICKET! lol.
Lastly, the mantle of Canada's team is assigned to the last remaining Canadian team, not just the Leafs. Why are Leaf fans not upset.
In summary, I used to always cheer for Canadian teams second to the Leafs, and always rooted for Canadian teams once the Leafs were out of the playoffs (which is a lot) when growing up in Toronto, as did everyone I knew there. Then the Internet happened, and I found out how others really feel about us.
I know it will rock your world, but it's not the Torontonians who are the arrogant ones.
With that, I will hand this thread back to sports talk.
Lastly, the mantle of Canada's team is assigned to the last remaining Canadian team, not just the Leafs. Why are Leaf fans not upset.
In summary, I used to always cheer for Canadian teams second to the Leafs, and always rooted for Canadian teams once the Leafs were out of the playoffs (which is a lot) when growing up in Toronto, as did everyone I knew there. Then the Internet happened, and I found out how others really feel about us.
I know it will rock your world, but it's not the Torontonians who are the arrogant ones.
With that, I will hand this thread back to sports talk.
Take a step back everyone, cause crosby has 5 points with
one period to play, he only needs 3 more.
one period to play, he only needs 3 more.
2010 WESTERN CONFERENCE QUARTERFINALS
SERIES E #1 vs. #8
Network
Wednesday, April 14 at San Jose, 10:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
Friday, April 16 at San Jose, 10:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
Sunday, April 18 at Colorado, 9:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
Tuesday, April 20 at Colorado, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
*Thursday, April 22 at San Jose, 10:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
*Saturday, April 24 at Colorado, TBD CBC
*Monday, April 26 at San Jose, TBD CBC
SERIES F #2 vs. #7
Network
Friday, April 16 at Chicago, 8:30 p.m. TSN2, VERSUS (JIP)
Sunday, April 18 at Chicago, 8:30 p.m. TSN, VERSUS (JIP)
Tuesday, April 20 at Nashville, 9:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS (JIP)
Thursday, April 22 at Nashville, 8:30 p.m. TSN2, VERSUS (JIP)
*Saturday, April 24 at Chicago, 3:00 p.m. NBC, TSN
*Monday, April 26 at Nashville, TBD TSN
*Wednesday, April 28 at Chicago, TBD TSN
SERIES G #3 vs. #6
Network
Thursday, April 15 at Vancouver, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
Saturday, April 17 at Vancouver, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
Monday, April 19 at Los Angeles, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
Wednesday, April 21 at Los Angeles, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
*Friday, April 23 at Vancouver, 10:00 p.m. CBC
*Sunday, April 25 at Los Angeles, TBD CBC, VERSUS
*Tuesday, April 27 at Vancouver, TBD CBC
SERIES H #4 vs. #5
Network
Wednesday, April 14 at Phoenix, 10:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS
Friday, April 16 at Phoenix, 10:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS
Sunday, April 18 at Detroit, 3:00 p.m. NBC, TSN
Tuesday, April 20 at Detroit, 6:30 p.m. TSN
*Friday, April 23 at Phoenix, 10:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS
*Sunday, April 25 at Detroit, 2:00 p.m. NBC, TSN
*Tuesday, April 27 at Phoenix, TBD TSN
SERIES E #1 vs. #8
Network
Wednesday, April 14 at San Jose, 10:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
Friday, April 16 at San Jose, 10:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
Sunday, April 18 at Colorado, 9:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
Tuesday, April 20 at Colorado, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
*Thursday, April 22 at San Jose, 10:30 p.m. CBC, VERSUS (JIP)
*Saturday, April 24 at Colorado, TBD CBC
*Monday, April 26 at San Jose, TBD CBC
SERIES F #2 vs. #7
Network
Friday, April 16 at Chicago, 8:30 p.m. TSN2, VERSUS (JIP)
Sunday, April 18 at Chicago, 8:30 p.m. TSN, VERSUS (JIP)
Tuesday, April 20 at Nashville, 9:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS (JIP)
Thursday, April 22 at Nashville, 8:30 p.m. TSN2, VERSUS (JIP)
*Saturday, April 24 at Chicago, 3:00 p.m. NBC, TSN
*Monday, April 26 at Nashville, TBD TSN
*Wednesday, April 28 at Chicago, TBD TSN
SERIES G #3 vs. #6
Network
Thursday, April 15 at Vancouver, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
Saturday, April 17 at Vancouver, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
Monday, April 19 at Los Angeles, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
Wednesday, April 21 at Los Angeles, 10:00 p.m. CBC, VERSUS
*Friday, April 23 at Vancouver, 10:00 p.m. CBC
*Sunday, April 25 at Los Angeles, TBD CBC, VERSUS
*Tuesday, April 27 at Vancouver, TBD CBC
SERIES H #4 vs. #5
Network
Wednesday, April 14 at Phoenix, 10:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS
Friday, April 16 at Phoenix, 10:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS
Sunday, April 18 at Detroit, 3:00 p.m. NBC, TSN
Tuesday, April 20 at Detroit, 6:30 p.m. TSN
*Friday, April 23 at Phoenix, 10:00 p.m. TSN, VERSUS
*Sunday, April 25 at Detroit, 2:00 p.m. NBC, TSN
*Tuesday, April 27 at Phoenix, TBD TSN
Well ok. Again, the media focus is going to be where the ratings are, period. That more people are interested in the "worst team in Canada" is just the way it is. Give them a reason to change. Go to a game. Sheesh, I don't know about out west but here we would shake our heads at the availability of tickets for Ottawa playoff games. This while the fan forums are full of excuses about Toronto's bigger budget. Here's a clue....BUY A TICKET! lol.
Lastly, the mantle of Canada's team is assigned to the last remaining Canadian team, not just the Leafs. Why are Leaf fans not upset.
In summary, I used to always cheer for Canadian teams second to the Leafs, and always rooted for Canadian teams once the Leafs were out of the playoffs (which is a lot) when growing up in Toronto, as did everyone I knew there. Then the Internet happened, and I found out how others really feel about us.
I know it will rock your world, but it's not the Torontonians who are the arrogant ones.
With that, I will hand this thread back to sports talk.
thinking back many years, it definitely was harold ballard
who really turned all of us off for toronto hockey, as he
was a 'true' ass. We had to hear about him, watch him as
he so tackily made his speaches and paraded around as though he was NHL commissioner himself, no one missed him
once he was gone.
The media, like others in the east can't see outside of their own caccoon, and some of their comments regarding
western players are not accurate, and they throw remarks
out there, thinking that all will suck them in, and be
truly impressed. eg. bill waters, and others.
We, in the west tend to pay attention to the whole league,
at least those of us who follow 'all' of the NHL, so it
is on many occasions, that we hear comments about star
players, and those comments often don't include a western conference player at all.
I know the time zone does play a part, but when it comes
to media 'so called' sports announcers, writers, analysts, etc., they should do their homework, and get it right.
It doesn't help that brian burke is g.m. of toronto now,
as he won't feel a lot of love from the west, and many
do not wish him lots of success.
We do have a bad attitude when it comes to the eastern
and torontonian 'press', there are scars, and memories,
and we have good memories.
I have always liked the toronto team, it's just the team
brass, and media, and like you say, there is so much attention in that area, it all gets overblown, so in the
press it seems toronto is getting 90% the canadian teams
attention.
I always cheer for 'western conference' teams, if my team is
knocked out of playoffs, and that includes calgary, even
though I hate them all season. I will follow a western
conference team right into the stanley cup finals, and
never cheer for an eastern team, canadian based or not.
GO CANUCKS GO
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Good game between san jose and chicago, san jose had the
upper hand early, but game evened out, and chicago scored
the winning goal in the third to win it 2-1
Good for them, these two teams are so talented, great
hockey to watch, goalies were 1st and 2nd stars, and
injuries could make a diference in this series as to what
team will dominate, very fast, lots of contact from both
teams, good hitting and great skating.
this is our conference, and we have two great teams representing, and
it doesn't matter which one wins, they will give any team in the east
a run for their money.
GO HAWKS GO
upper hand early, but game evened out, and chicago scored
the winning goal in the third to win it 2-1
Good for them, these two teams are so talented, great
hockey to watch, goalies were 1st and 2nd stars, and
injuries could make a diference in this series as to what
team will dominate, very fast, lots of contact from both
teams, good hitting and great skating.
this is our conference, and we have two great teams representing, and
it doesn't matter which one wins, they will give any team in the east
a run for their money.
GO HAWKS GO
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I will have to miss part of the western conference final
tonight, (two grandaughters have birthdays on same day, big supper out and cake and fun),but I just know it will be a doozy.
These two teams will entertain everyone, fast and furious,
no holds barred, I think, again it will depend on the
goalies, and nabokov wasn't stellar in the first game.
GO HAWKS GO
tonight, (two grandaughters have birthdays on same day, big supper out and cake and fun),but I just know it will be a doozy.
These two teams will entertain everyone, fast and furious,
no holds barred, I think, again it will depend on the
goalies, and nabokov wasn't stellar in the first game.
GO HAWKS GO
It seems I am the only one watching 'our' western conference' final playoff.
Chicago controlled the whole game tonight, san jose looked
outclassed, as they just couldn't keep up with the speed of
the hawks.
Joe Thornton looked very tackey and mean as he viciously
slashed the chicago player on a faceoff, didn't even go
for the puck at all, just swung his stick and slashed
bolland on the arm, sat in the box for 2 minutes.
It will be interesting, at least for me, to see how the
hawks play at home, as in the canuck series, it was at home
where they did not play well, but in vancouver played better.
Chicago controlled the whole game tonight, san jose looked
outclassed, as they just couldn't keep up with the speed of
the hawks.
Joe Thornton looked very tackey and mean as he viciously
slashed the chicago player on a faceoff, didn't even go
for the puck at all, just swung his stick and slashed
bolland on the arm, sat in the box for 2 minutes.
It will be interesting, at least for me, to see how the
hawks play at home, as in the canuck series, it was at home
where they did not play well, but in vancouver played better.
You are not alone, tallola. :smile: I too am watching both the Eastern and Western finals. The Hawks were everything you stated, superior in just about every way. The Sharks looked outplayed and slow for most of the game.
Some yahoo connected with the Internationa hockey made a
statement today that - Sydney Crosby, and others like him
should not refuse to play in the world tournament, and
saying they are tired is not a very good excuse, because
a dad who works in the mines for days at a time and never
sees the light of day, can be tired, or a single mom who
works two jobs to support her kids, can be tired, but not
a 22 yr old hockey player like Crosby.
First off, crosby played into June last year, played this
season, also in the olympics, and through two rounds of
the playoffs. Yes, he has the right to do whatever he
wants when his NHL year is over. They have a life too,
that doesn't include hockey, especially the guys who are married
with kids. They can spend some time with their families,
as they are no different than any other husband/dad, and
during the hockey season, they are away so much, that this
down time is very valuable.
The international teams take this tournament very seriously,
it is huge for them, but not for north america, so what
this fellow thinks means nothing to me, and I'm sure, nothing to the NHL as well.
Most of the big name russian players are taking part, but if
one remembers how they did in the Olympics, that is very
understandable, they want revenge, well, whatever, go get
it, but you won't be playing against the same teams.
Datsyuk is not going to play, or Zetterburg.
statement today that - Sydney Crosby, and others like him
should not refuse to play in the world tournament, and
saying they are tired is not a very good excuse, because
a dad who works in the mines for days at a time and never
sees the light of day, can be tired, or a single mom who
works two jobs to support her kids, can be tired, but not
a 22 yr old hockey player like Crosby.
First off, crosby played into June last year, played this
season, also in the olympics, and through two rounds of
the playoffs. Yes, he has the right to do whatever he
wants when his NHL year is over. They have a life too,
that doesn't include hockey, especially the guys who are married
with kids. They can spend some time with their families,
as they are no different than any other husband/dad, and
during the hockey season, they are away so much, that this
down time is very valuable.
The international teams take this tournament very seriously,
it is huge for them, but not for north america, so what
this fellow thinks means nothing to me, and I'm sure, nothing to the NHL as well.
Most of the big name russian players are taking part, but if
one remembers how they did in the Olympics, that is very
understandable, they want revenge, well, whatever, go get
it, but you won't be playing against the same teams.
Datsyuk is not going to play, or Zetterburg.
Here in Gopherland (said by many to be the State of hockey) nobody is paying any attention to the NHL playoffs. They have not gotten any radio or TV coverage though the newspapers have given them a little attention.
I am watching Canada play Russia right now - Canadians holding their own so far with only 6 minutes left in the first.
The talking heads were going on about the comments concerning Sid and others not playing in for Team Canada. What I don't understand is how could they? Sid was playing for the Pens until the Habs eliminated them - so he was busy. Once the team has been picked are they allowed to have other players added once the tournament begins?
yes, they can, mason raymond went as soon as canucks were out.
Not sure what date is the cut off, maybe after first round,
but I really don't know.
ovetchkin, malkin and others are there.