Tory G8 abortion stance

[L Gilbert]

Well, this Thread really isn't about Gay people, but abortion & its funding in
other countries for that countries citizens by Canadians through their Canadian
Tax Dollars.

What I was try'n to get at is, just 'cuz Canada isn't paying for something in
another nation, doesn't mean that Canada is against it....it means that
they're not paying for it. Canada isn't stopping any other country from
funding abortions elsewhere (from what I've gathered here), are we?

Nope, we aren't. The gov't is still inconsistent.

 

[YukonJack]

In a rare moment of unusual common sense Avro responded to my post opposing Canada financing abortions abroad:

"You know what?

I kind of agree with that statment, not sure why I should pay for someone to have a life destroyed as a form of birth control.

Except for rape, incest, severe retardation and health concerns for the Mother I don't want to pay a dime."

What could have been said - and wasn't - that far more people die from prostate related problems than from abortion or lack therof.

Mind you, those who die from prostate problems are only males, so who gives a damn?

Yet a male Canadian has to pay out of his own pocket for a PSA teat, while the promiscous female (at least, in most cases) who had no sense to prevent pregnancy gets a free pass.

What's wrong with that picture? SiRJosephPorter, could you please impart your wisdom?

 

[L Gilbert]

What could have been said - and wasn't - that far more people die from prostate related problems than from abortion or lack therof.

All men have prostates. Not all women who get pregnant want abortions.

Yet a male Canadian has to pay out of his own pocket for a PSA teat, while the promiscous female (at least, in most cases) who had no sense to prevent pregnancy gets a free pass.

Yup, leave ity up to the "promiscuous female". There are contraceptives for males, too, you know. Besides that, there are also promiscuous males.

What's wrong with that picture? SiRJosephPorter, could you please impart your wisdom?

Are you crazy? Actually asking for his opinion? lol

 

[Machjo]

Ideally that would be the case. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Political campaigns include both positive and negative advertising. And negative advertising many times works. People may claim that they are put off by negative advertising, but they pay attention to it, and it is effective many times (but not always).

And you have absolutely no interest in trying to raise the bar a little?! You just accept that?

 

[JLM]

Well, this Thread really isn't about Gay people, but abortion & its funding in
other countries for that countries citizens by Canadians through their Canadian
Tax Dollars.

What I was try'n to get at is, just 'cuz Canada isn't paying for something in
another nation, doesn't mean that Canada is against it....it means that
they're not paying for it. Canada isn't stopping any other country from
funding abortions elsewhere (from what I've gathered here), are we?

Think you can get through, Ron????? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I see another prevaricator has joined the fray in this casting exercise:lol:

are you talking about your self?

 

[gerryh]

Which means, of course, that they are not really Catholics, since they are completely contradicting one of the important parts of Church doctrine.

:roll:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Well, this Thread really isn't about Gay people, but abortion & its funding in
other countries for that countries citizens by Canadians through their Canadian
Tax Dollars.

What I was try'n to get at is, just 'cuz Canada isn't paying for something in
another nation, doesn't mean that Canada is against it....it means that
they're not paying for it. Canada isn't stopping any other country from
funding abortions elsewhere (from what I've gathered here), are we?

Hi Ron, look, Canada under Harper has donated millions to other causes, $50.000.000 on the Afghani war and 148 men and women dead was a bad political investment, seeing how corrupt the Afghani government is, and all because Harper had to play close friends with the Americans.

If the rebuttal is that the Liberals got us in Afghanistan, hey Harper had the choice to him self to deny involvement in Afghanistan.
A coat hanger to free a woman because she is afraid to go to the authorities in a nation of bigots and fanatics for help, is a crime with big shame attached to it. Compassion from a country who claims they have a unique ideology about societal harmony like Canada is in short supply, simply because of the deep Conservative religious fibber.

The contribution Canada could make will save life’s, but for Harper he much rather play the game of a hypocrite because of the vote issue here at home.
If there was votes abroad to help his minority he would jump like a fly on S***t. Why hide the hypocrisy. Plane an simple, Harper is funding abortions in Canada because if he didn’t he would be send to opposition in no time come election time. :canada:

 

[Ron in Regina]

So, you're saying we as Canadians have already gone above and beyond
with donations of Cash and Personal to foreign causes and disaster relief,
but more needs to be done, regardless of our own domestic situations, be
they economic or otherwise?

If we fund this, it should be due to the majority Canadians wanting to do this,
and not what the G7 or G8 or G-whatever wants us to do. Do the majority
of Canadians want this?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

So, you're saying we as Canadians have already gone above and beyond
with donations of Cash and Personal to foreign causes and disaster relief,
but more needs to be done, regardless of our own domestic situations, be
they economic or otherwise?

If we fund this, it should be due to the majority Canadians wanting to do this,
and not what the G7 or G8 or G-whatever wants us to do. Do the majority
of Canadians want this?

Sorry Ron, The majority of Canadians are against war, saving the $50.000.000 to a self-serving cause like Afghanistan would have shown fiscal prudence, thus allowing to save lives in a subject like Abortion, that kills destitute raped women, instead of putting our men and women into harms way and sacrificing these lives for no actual return. Money can be available for realistic human causes abroad, rather then investing in war mongering Nations who play both sides like Afghanistan.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Sorry Ron, The majority of Canadians are against war, saving the $50.000.000 to a self-serving cause like Afghanistan would have shown fiscal prudence, thus allowing to save lives in a subject like Abortion, that kills destitute raped women, instead of putting our men and women into harms way and sacrificing these lives for no actual return. Money can be available for realistic human causes abroad, rather then investing in war mongering Nations who play both sides like Afghanistan.

My Friend, due to personal choice and responsibility, I elected to undergo
a Vasectomy may years ago, and thus I'm not impregnating 70,000 women
globally every year, nor 700,000 on average every decade. Though I'd like
to be able to solve all the World's woes, it's just not going to happen. Some
things, though it would be great if finances & personal permitted for Canada
to deal with, just aren't our sole responsibility. Money can be available for
realistic human causes Domestically, as well as those Abroad.

If the G7 or G8 or G20 or G-Whiz wants to sponsor and fund things beyond
what Canada is willing to do at this point, I say, "Fill your boots! Have at'er!
Good luck! God bless ya'! Etc...." and I'm sure Canada won't stand in their
way. If & when we as Canadians decide to do otherwise, we will....and if this
becomes an election issue, the desire & will of Canadians will be expressed
on this subject.

P.S. to the post above mine...this Thread still isn't about Gay Folks, but we
both know of another Thread on the Front Page that is, & it's not this one.

 

[gerryh]

Hi Ron, look, Canada under Harper has donated millions to other causes, $50.000.000 on the Afghani war and 148 men and women dead was a bad political investment, seeing how corrupt the Afghani government is, and all because Harper had to play close friends with the Americans.

If the rebuttal is that the Liberals got us in Afghanistan, hey Harper had the choice to him self to deny involvement in Afghanistan.
A coat hanger to free a woman because she is afraid to go to the authorities in a nation of bigots and fanatics for help, is a crime with big shame attached to it. Compassion from a country who claims they have a unique ideology about societal harmony like Canada is in short supply, simply because of the deep Conservative religious fibber.

The contribution Canada could make will save life’s, but for Harper he much rather play the game of a hypocrite because of the vote issue here at home.
If there was votes abroad to help his minority he would jump like a fly on S***t. Why hide the hypocrisy. Plane an simple, Harper is funding abortions in Canada because if he didn’t he would be send to opposition in no time come election time. :canada:

So..... not only should we be supporting the murder of children here in Canada, but you would like us to export that mindset and help murder babies on a global basis.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well, this Thread really isn't about Gay people, but abortion & its funding in
other countries for that countries citizens by Canadians through their Canadian
Tax Dollars.

What I was try'n to get at is, just 'cuz Canada isn't paying for something in
another nation, doesn't mean that Canada is against it....it means that
they're not paying for it. Canada isn't stopping any other country from
funding abortions elsewhere (from what I've gathered here), are we?

And how can Canada stop other countries from doing anything? Even the mighty USA cannot do that. Is Canada really going to demand that USA, Britain etc. stop funding abortion overseas? If Harper did htat, he will be the laughing stock of international community. If he could, probably he would, but he doesn’t have any power in that respect.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And you have absolutely no interest in trying to raise the bar a little?! You just accept that?

How can I raise the bar? i am not a politician, don't have the slightest interest in becoming one. politicians will do what gets them elected. And like it or not, negative campaigning works.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So, you're saying we as Canadians have already gone above and beyond
with donations of Cash and Personal to foreign causes and disaster relief,
but more needs to be done, regardless of our own domestic situations, be
they economic or otherwise?

If we fund this, it should be due to the majority Canadians wanting to do this,
and not what the G7 or G8 or G-whatever wants us to do. Do the majority
of Canadians want this?

We don't know. Harper took the decision to placate the Fundamentalist Christians in his party.

 

[Avro]

Abortion is considered a medical service and as such is covered by the Canada Health act.

As to you not wanting government to pay for abortions, we don’t get to pick and choose where our tax money should be spent. I am sure pacifists would like to see zero spending on defense, at least they don’t want their tax money spent on defense. Or Jehovah’s Witnesses may not want their tax money spent on blood banks, blood transfusion etc. Vegetarians may not want their tax money spent to promote consumption of meat or fish.

But as I said, we don’t get to cherry pick where our tax money is spent.

Then why am I paying for my own eye exams?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Then why am I paying for my own eye exams?

I assume because government needs the money. Also, if your family doctor refers you to the eye doctor, it doesn't cost you anything. Nor does it cost you anything if you have any kind of eye disease. I have cataract in both my eyes, so I get eye examination free each year.

 

[Avro]

I assume because government needs the money. Also, if your family doctor refers you to the eye doctor, it doesn't cost you anything. Nor does it cost you anything if you have any kind of eye disease. I have cataract in both my eyes, so I get eye examination free each year.

Governement needs the money? It's not them I'm paying.

Um yes you do pay for it.

So I guess they do cherry pick what does and does not get covered.

Now back to giving abortions for people who don't want to wear rubbers.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The Off-Topic (for THIS Thread) posts regarding Gay Rights, etc...can now be found here:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...nservatives-why-dont-homosexuals-deserve.html

 

[JLM]

"If Harper did htat, he will be the laughing stock of international community. If he could, probably he would, but he doesn't have any power in that respect."

Maybe Harper is capable of speaking for himself.