Can muslims be good canadians?

[CDNBear]

Quit sidetracking. I'm still of the opinion that explorers, entrepreneurs, politicians, businessmen, scammers, thieves, etc. who incidentally had some Christian values founded NA after other people had founded it.

I'm not side tracking, you're proving Gh right.

 

[AnnaG]

I'm not side tracking, you're proving Gh right.

Yup. Everyone who disagrees with you is obtuse and ignorant. We all know that. :roll: Or at least you keep telling us all.
Not sidetracking? Whatever happened to the Muslims?
And Gerry is only a troll who comes in to sneer and diss at people, not argue points. Definitely one to model yourself after.

 

[CDNBear]

Yup. Evereyone who disagrees with you is obtuse and ignorant.

Not at all, this is where your blinders get exposed. You obviously miss my conversation with foukay, and Dex.

We all know that. :roll: Or at least you keep telling us all.

Are you really this daft? Or are you on some sort of medication? That's serious question.

Not sidetracking? Whatever happened to the Muslims?

I don't know, some asshat started harping about how they disagree with the fact that Christian Europeans founded NA as we know it.

And Gerry is only a troll who comes in to sneer and diss at people, not argue points. Definitely one to model yourself after.

OK, I see all reason has left your argument, so one of us will have to be the wise mature one, I guess I'll take that lead. Have a good day Anna, give my regards to Les.

 

[AnnaG]

Yup, whatever. I'm stupid and ignorant. North America's only been around for about 350 years. You're right.

 

[CDNBear]

You know what Anna, I deleted my post, I think I will take the high road, and offer you a friendly piece of advice, as I depart...

Grow up.

 

[AnnaG]

You know what Anna, I deleted my post, I think I will take the high road, and offer you a friendly piece of advice, as I depart...

Grow up.

Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: 4found
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French funder, fonder, from Latin fundare, from fundus bottom — more at bottom
Date: 13th century
1 : to take the first steps in building
2 : to set or ground on something solid : base
3 : to establish (as an institution) often with provision for future maintenance

There was nothing built here and nothing established before Christians got here, I guess.

If not growing up signifies knowing what I am talking about, I'll stay the way I am, thanks.

 

[Gemini911]

I think the person who started this thread, and who thinks of muslims as a whole are terrorists, needs to grow up actually.
How do some of you people survive honestly? Do you live in a hole somewhere in the ground?
Open your eyes, this is happening all over the world, no matter where you come from or what religion you follow!

 

[CDNBear]

I think the person who started this thread, and who thinks of muslims as a whole are terrorists, needs to grow up actually.

I disagree.

How do some of you people survive honestly?

Quite comfortably actually.

Do you live in a hole somewhere in the ground?

No, a winterized cottage on Lake Simcoe.

Open your eyes, this is happening all over the world, no matter where you come from or what religion you follow!

You are quite right, it is happening all over the world. Wherever Muslims gather, they seem to bring the violence that ruined their own nation with them.

As a side note Gemmie, you and I have been through this, and you and I both know how the other feels and why. So think nothing of this post please.

I just wanted to get the topic back on track. Thanx for the opening.

 

[AnnaG]

I think Canada is doing fairly well in spite of all those bad Muslims here.

 

[Gemini911]

My bad- I meant to say this is happening with ALL religions all over the world, even in your own backyard.
And yes we have had a brief discussion, until you knew a few details, and thats when it ended.
I do know what you told me about how you felt, but doesnt quite clic with what you are saying through this whole thread.
Its alrite, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, some are just more ignorant than others, very much so.
I still think anyone who thinks this way, definitely has to be living in a hole way deep down in the ground. Muslim Canadians are not all who you are saying they are. You know I know that Bear.
You had one bad experience in some Middle Eastern country that is predominately Muslim and you group all Muslims in the same basket- thats your way of thinking, and its right I suppose.....

 

[CDNBear]

My bad- I meant to say this is happening with ALL religions all over the world, even in your own backyard.

Really, if I may so bold as to ask for a couple examples please.

And yes we have had a brief discussion, until you knew a few details, and thats when it ended.

Of course, because your feelings actually matter to me.

I do know what you told me about how you felt, but doesnt quite clic with what you are saying through this whole thread.

It's all in the same line, would I still treat each and every Muslim I meet with courtesy and respect? Absolutely, I'll be fishing with Mo, a Sri Lankin Muslim tomorrow. Good friend of mine.

Its alrite, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, some are just more ignorant than others, very much so.

I wouldn't for a life of days argue, that my opinion on this matter is not only ignorant, but damned ugly. Now think about what has happened to me to make me feel this way.

I still think anyone who thinks this way, definitely has to be living in a hole way deep down in the ground. Muslim Canadians are not all who you are saying they are. You know I know that Bear.

I do, and you know what. I feel bad that my words hurt you.

You had one bad experience in some Middle Eastern country that is predominately Muslim and you group all Muslims in the same basket- thats your way of thinking, and its right I suppose.....

It's not. I have never tried to equate my feelings to being right. Hence the fact that I acknowledge the irony and hypocrisy of my appreciation and undying love of Canada as she is, a free and open society, while I would eject every Muslim.

Do you not think I struggle internally with this?

 

[AnnaG]

The Muslim community in Canada is almost as old as the nation itself. Four years after Canada's founding in 1867, the 1871 Canadian Census found 13 Muslims among the population.[8] The first Canadian mosque was constructed in Edmonton in 1938, when there were approximately 700 Muslims in the country.[9] This building is now part of the museum at Fort Edmonton Park. The years after World War II saw a small increase in the Muslim population. However Muslims were still a distinct minority. It was only after the removal of European immigration preferences in the late 1960s that Muslims began to arrive in significant numbers.
According to the Canadian Census of 1971 there were 33,000 Muslims in Canada.[10] In the 1970s large-scale non-European immigration to Canada began. This was reflected in the growth of the Muslim community in Canada. In 1981, the Census listed 98,000 Muslims.[11] The 1991 Census indicated 253,265 Muslims.[12] By 2001, the Islamic community in Canada had grown to more than 579,000.[13] Preliminary estimates for Census 2006 point to a figure of almost 800,000.[5]
Compared to Muslims in Europe, Canadian Muslims have not faced the same set of problems.[14] The Muslim community in Canada is just one among many ethnic, religious, racial and cultural communities that together make up Canada. At the same time, it must be noted that although Canadian Muslims may be classified as Muslims for official governmental statistical and policy-making purposes, that does not necessarily mean that all who are identified as such are practicing Muslims. In other words, they may be culturally Muslim, while at the same time leading secular lives, as the case with many Anglophone Christians , especially of Protestant heritage who may be identified as such but have never consider themselves as Christians.

Wikipedia


This was interesting, if a little outdated; also a couple following comments:
A Profile of Muslims In Canada

uhoh I must be on someone's shyte list. Maybe even the iggy list. lol Gotta love grudges.

 

[Gemini911]

Really, if I may so bold as to ask for a couple examples please.
Of course, because your feelings actually matter to me.
It's all in the same line, would I still treat each and every Muslim I meet with courtesy and respect? Absolutely, I'll be fishing with Mo, a Sri Lankin Muslim tomorrow. Good friend of mine.
I wouldn't for a life of days argue, that my opinion on this matter is not only ignorant, but damned ugly. Now think about what has happened to me to make me feel this way.
I do, and you know what. I feel bad that my words hurt you.
It's not. I have never tried to equate my feelings to being right. Hence the fact that I acknowledge the irony and hypocrisy of my appreciation and undying love of Canada as she is, a free and open society, while I would eject every Muslim.

Do you not think I struggle internally with this?

Like I've told you previously Bear, I am disappointed in your comments or anyone who promotes hate actually. I am not hurt, just disappointed. Just because we have slightly different views on this, does not mean I cannot handle what you or anyone for that matter, has to say. Its like saying all black people shoot and murder and deal drugs, or chinese people are bad drivers, or all indians eat is curry, except yours and some here are much worse, very hateful.
I understand one aspect of your life you have had a very bad experience, we have all had them, but I really think its unfair the way you are handling it. I dont know your experience, I believe you mentioned when you were in the army overseas was what made you have a different outlook. I am sorry of what you have had to experience and probably still are dealing with psychologically now.
Let me ask you this- how would your good friend Mo feel if he saw some of the hate that you post in here? Have you ever had a discussion with a muslim like this?
Everyone is an individual, and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. I think someone posted previously, you should not base your perception of a person based on their religion.
Canada and Canadians are thought of for the most part in the outside world as friendly, welcoming, warm hearted people.
I am trying to understand your feelings on this, but all I keep hearing is ignorance all around, and as a Canadian, very disappointing.

 

[CDNBear]

Like I've told you previously Bear, I am disappointed in your comments or anyone who promotes hate actually.

Easy there Gemmie, I do not support hate in any way shape or form.

I am not hurt, just disappointed. Just because we have slightly different views on this, does not mean I cannot handle what you or anyone for that matter, has to say. Its like saying all black people shoot and murder and deal drugs, or chinese people are bad drivers, or all indians eat is curry, except yours and some here are much worse, very hateful.

Actually I believe there's some truth to what you said about some of those minorities. But at least they don't pose a security risk to the mass public. And I still do not hate.

I understand one aspect of your life you have had a very bad experience, we have all had them, but I really think its unfair the way you are handling it.

I would actually agree.

I dont know your experience, I believe you mentioned when you were in the army overseas was what made you have a different outlook. I am sorry of what you have had to experience and probably still are dealing with psychologically now.

Thanx, but it wasn't your fault, I don't hold you responsible.

Let me ask you this- how would your good friend Mo feel if he saw some of the hate that you post in here?

Again, it's not ahet and I've told him straight out I would drive him to the docks and help him load his stuff on the ship for the long voyage home.

He's told me straight out that he thinks us Injuns are milking the whole reserve thing and should get a grip. He came here with almost nothing and built a business, why can't us Injuns with all the support we get....

You know I love brutal honesty. Is it any surprise I would associate with people of a like mind?

Have you ever had a discussion with a muslim like this?

Yep, many.

Everyone is an individual, and should be treated as such until proven otherwise.

Agreed, which is why in my daily life, as you already know, I DO NOT DISCRIMINATE.

I think someone posted previously, you should not base your perception of a person based on their religion.

I would otherwise agree, if we were discussing Buddhists.

Canada and Canadians are thought of for the most part in the outside world as friendly, welcoming, warm hearted people.

Yes, hence my acknowledgment that my position is contrary to, ironic and hypocritical.

I am trying to understand your feelings on this, but all I keep hearing is ignorance all around, and as a Canadian, very disappointing.

And thankfully, because we are not under Muslim law, you can disagree with me as strenuously and as aggressively as you feel, without fear of reprisal.

Isn't that an awesome feeling?

And I really must stress that I really really really do not want to have this conversation with you.

 

[Gemini911]

And I really must stress that I really really really do not want to have this conversation with you.

Fair enough Bear. I think I finally understand your point. I am afraid some might interpret it differently like I have in the beginning. I have listened to your side and see your point.
Moving on....:smile:

 

[CDNBear]

Fair enough Bear. I think I finally understand your point. I am afraid some might interpret it differently like I have in the beginning. I have listened to your side and see your point.
Moving on....:smile:

Thank you Gemmie.

I actually just breathed a sigh of relief, lol.

 

[AnnaG]

Like I've told you previously Bear, I am disappointed in your comments or anyone who promotes hate actually. I am not hurt, just disappointed. Just because we have slightly different views on this, does not mean I cannot handle what you or anyone for that matter, has to say. Its like saying all black people shoot and murder and deal drugs, or chinese people are bad drivers, or all indians eat is curry, except yours and some here are much worse, very hateful.
I understand one aspect of your life you have had a very bad experience, we have all had them, but I really think its unfair the way you are handling it. I dont know your experience, I believe you mentioned when you were in the army overseas was what made you have a different outlook. I am sorry of what you have had to experience and probably still are dealing with psychologically now.
Let me ask you this- how would your good friend Mo feel if he saw some of the hate that you post in here? Have you ever had a discussion with a muslim like this?
Everyone is an individual, and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. I think someone posted previously, you should not base your perception of a person based on their religion.
Canada and Canadians are thought of for the most part in the outside world as friendly, welcoming, warm hearted people.
I am trying to understand your feelings on this, but all I keep hearing is ignorance all around, and as a Canadian, very disappointing.

I guess I wasn't the only one to misinterpret our loveable, attitudinally-challenged Bear.

 

[CDNBear]

attitudinally-challenged Bear.

Now that's funny!!!

 

[AnnaG]

Now that's funny!!!

Thought you might get a giggle outta that.

 

[bailan]

This has to be the most ridiculas (lack of facts) and biggoted piece i have read in a very very Long time.

Theologically - no. . . .
Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Factual Error; Allah Isn't a "Moon God" as being stated above.

Allah is the Arab word for the very same God that the Christan and Jews pray to.

The only difference is that in some tangents of Christianity, Jesus is the Son of God, where as in Islam, the God has no-sons, no parents and no-relatives.

Muslims Consider Jesus and Moses to be just as much prophets of God, as Mohammed.

Why not show just as much Bigotry towards those that Worship Snakes, Elephants, Sun, etc.

Religiously - no. . .
Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Again, collossal amounts of Non-sense.

In Islam, Christans and Jews are considered the "people of the book" and its perfectly OK to develop relationships with the people of the book including inter-marriage.

I really don't know what else do you want from a religion, that says its OK to inter-marry.

Scripturally - no.. . .
Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Makes perfect sense if Common sense is ignored just to make a Bad Point.

Are you saying that Muslims in Pakistan, India, Malaysia, Yemen, Oman, Iraq are all scripturally mis-aligned with their respective contries, for whom they have found countless wars over the past 100 years?

Geographically - no .
Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he Turns in prayer five times a day.

That must mean that Pakistanis, Indian Muslims, Muslims in Sri-lanka are all dis-loyal to their respective countries?

This is utter non-sense. There are 2nd and third generation muslims in this country, I would really really like you tell them to their face that they are not geographically part of this land.

Socially - no. . ..
Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make Friends with Christians or Jews ..

Who is spreading this non-sense? really ... what kind of non-sense is this?

Didn't I just say that from Inter-marriage to business relation-ships are even religiously acceptable.

Politically - no. . .
Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual Leaders),
who teach annihilation of Israel, America and destruction of Canada , We are the great Satan.

I just want to pull my hair out at this point.

Just take a look at practically any Muslim Country, and you will find them to the allies of America.

From American Bases in Saudia Arabia to Kwait and Supply routes to American & Canadian Soldiers from Pakistan to Central Asia, the govt and masses are always aligned with their Western Counter parts.

Domestically - no.. .. .
Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
Beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

OOOoo for ****'s sake. Really, and the judo-christan-atheist communities have no cases of Domestic Violence against Women or Men?

Intellectually - no. .
Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes
the Bible to be corrupt.

I have never read the American constitution, but when I was tought the Canadian Charter rights and freedoms, I thought it was the great piece of legislature in the world.

Spiritually - no.. . .
Because when we declare 'one nation under God,'
The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah
is NEVER referred to As Heavenly father, nor is he
ever called love in the Quran's 99 Excellent names.

Actually, out of the 99 names of let me quote the first two

Ar-Rahman: The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

Ar-Rahim: The One who has plenty of mercy

Al-Hafiz: The One who protects whatever and whoever He willed to protect.

there are countless others.

The fact is that Allah in Quran is far more nicer than the Allah or God of the Old Testament.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
perhaps we should be Very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS
in this country. - - - They obviously Cannot be both
good' Muslims and good Canadians.

Yep, we Good Muslims keep contemplating ways of stealing Front Yard decorations of Other Canadians at night. Because clearly not enough of us are exploding violently in local malls.

Call it what you wish
it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who
understand This, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Yea ... its truth alright, as found in some biggot's basement.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ......

There is no religious war. Every Muslim, Christan, Jew, Hindo, Atheist is too ****ing busy paying off their Mortgage, Credit Card Bills and Getting ripped off from Bell and Rogers as the next guy.

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within..

Nut Jobs come in all colors and sizes.

Sometimes in Pointy White hats, other times in Pointy White Turbans. For these people, inciting hate is a profitable venture.