And the Sun shall rise again...

El Barto

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The first 30 to 45 minutes of the first episode, is dedicated to proving that Christianity was a scam to con the masses into the control of the Romans. The movie lays out the foundation for this, by showing the pagan beliefs of the Zodiac. Then further along, makes claims about the sun aligning with Orion's belt, and Sirius, on December 25th, signifying the birth of the Sun, or "Son".
Or the Romans controll of the masses....change the winning conditions of conquering from land and resources to something less tangible as souls .
 

El Barto

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Advocations of The Zeitgeist Movement
In his radio address Peter Joseph listed what the movement advocates:
  • No money: Money is socially paralyzing and it leads to traditional institutions perpetuating themselves and inhibiting progress. Instead, people should have free access to goods and services.
  • No property: Property identification creates waste, it's unsustainable and distracts people's identity: things you own end up owning you. Sharing leads to universal access to property, goods and technology. Universal access minimizes or even eliminates social stratification.
  • Automation: Using technology to automate repetitive and tedious tasks leads to efficiency and productivity. It is also socially responsible as people are freed from labor that undermines their intelligence. As technology progresses labor for income becomes obsolete.
  • Artificial intelligence: It is impossible for a human being to be fully objective. Machines don't have that problem. Also, machines can take into account more information. For people who are concerned that "the machine would take over", Peter Joseph states that programming of self-preservation into the machine would be unethical and dangerous.
  • Scientific method: It is a proven method that has stood the test of time and leads to discovery. Scientific method involves testing, getting feedback from natural world and physical law, evaluation of results, sharing data openly and requirement to replicate the test results. The scientific method is not based on beliefs but facts.
  • Technological unification: Monitoring planetary resources is needed in order to create an efficient system, and thus technology should be shared globally. Efficiency means, for instance, locality in production in order to meet the needs of global population and environment, i.e. respecting the carrying capacity of the Earth.
  • Sustainable city systems: Systems theory and systemic approach is the key. Self-sustaining globe and culture can be modeled on a smaller scale with a city-size system.

Man this is sounding more and more like the world of Star Trek 8O
 

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The night sky looks different from different locations on the planet, especially in the north and south hemispheres. What I like to do with stuff like this is examine the information and ignore the author's conclusions. I learned that trick when I first came across Erich von Däniken. He presented interesting info, but he was such an egotistical dweeb that he turned off a lot of people.

The other thing is that taken on its own, any presentation is only one point of view. To really arm oneself with enough information to form an educated guess on any topic, one would have to consult multiple sources.
 
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The night sky looks different from different locations on the planet, especially in the north and south hemispheres. What I like to do with stuff like this is examine the information and ignore the author's conclusions. I learned that trick when I first came across Erich von Däniken. He presented interesting info, but he was such an egotistical dweeb that he turned off a lot of people.
Trust me, I understand that all to well. Try looking into the wide spread corruption surrounding international banking and you'll see what I'm going through trying to have a reasoned and intelligent conversation of that subject...:lol:

The other thing is that taken on its own, any presentation is only one point of view. To really arm oneself with enough information to form an educated guess on any topic, one would have to consult multiple sources.
Agreed! Hence my baby steps in my conclusions, and reaching out to Dex.
 

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While we're waiting for backup support, sounds like a cheap comeback to Da Vinci Code..
The Da Vinci Code was a great bit of story telling. He presented a bunch of information (also excluded a bunch) to spin a great conspiracy theory and suspenseful drama. In other words, he took creative license with the facts to sell his book.
 

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The Da Vinci Code was a great bit of story telling. He presented a bunch of information (also excluded a bunch) to spin a great conspiracy theory and suspenseful drama. In other words, he took creative license with the facts to sell his book.
Creative license is an understatement.
 

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Trust me, I understand that all to well. Try looking into the wide spread corruption surrounding international banking and you'll see what I'm going through trying to have a reasoned and intelligent conversation of that subject...:lol:

Agreed! Hence my baby steps in my conclusions, and reaching out to Dex.
Yes, how does one reason with corruption? Kinda like trying to pick will knots with mitts on.
 

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...if you were to look at the belt from a different declination on the globe, would it be closer to the assertion made in the movie?
No. It's about the relationships among various points in the sky. You'll see things from a different angle depending on your latitude and the time, but the relationships among the things themselves doesn't change with your changing viewpoint.

Secondly, would the passing of time have an affect on the position, between how we see it today, and how it was viewed a millenia ago?
Yes, some things change, due to changes in the earth's orbit. I'm a Taurus, for instance, according to sun sign astrology, but the sun wasn't in Taurus when I was born, it was in Aries. 5000 years ago it would have been in Taurus, that's when the ancients first set up the basis of astrology. But at no time in human history would the sun ever have appeared in a constellation that isn't one of the 12 in the zodiac. It passes through them all on about a 26,000 year cycle due to something called the precession of the equinoxes, which you can find a decent explanation of it in Wikipedia's article on precession.