How many Gods do you believe in?

[Socrates the Greek]

When one talks about idolatry and how bad it is against God’s will, it is strange that the most lucrative business known to man is the Church.

Ministry after ministry on any religious platform, the Church pays no taxes to the state, the ministers are on record enjoying 6 figure incomes, driving height end cars, lavish homes, expensive life styles, and you want to talk about idolatry, no better example.

Show me were, the Church with its immense wealth which is not publicly advertised, has once made the news of being a philanthropic institution.

Bill Gates Microsoft, John Turner telecommunications giant and many others have donated huge amounts of money to help humanitarian causes. The smart thing with these people, they did not give the Church their philanthropic contribution, they insured that their contribution will not be abused by some scum bug who uses the word of God as a means of deceiving the gullible.
The Church has never shown such grace towards humanity. Idolatry? Big time, Hypocrisy, again big time.
The Vatican is full of pedophiles like crows on a roof top, the injustice of sexual abuse in many dioceses is endless. A huge criminal act……….against humanity’s vulnerable.

The motto of religion sucks, there is only one supreme invisible energy, call it the creator or anything that makes the mind feel good, Muslim, Christine, Catholic, Greek Orthodox, all are a spiritual concept that gives humanity something to occupy the mind and fulfill a sense of spiritual belong, while many have exploited that belong for personal gratification.

Today, gender neutral has been embraced by political correctness, example, we used to call the person who went fishing a fisherman, political correctness has changed that name in order to insure neutrality and inclusiveness to both genders male and female to fisher, now why is good perceived to be a male?

Is it because the vast majority are followers of tradition? or because the vast majority feels that a male God is more superior then a female God? If we were to adopted the example of the fisher, what should the name be that includes both genders in God?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This is not true.

Because many parents desire to have children and they cannot have any; moreover, do your parents decided you to be a male or a female: so if they don't know and cannot decide you being a male or a female how can they be the creators? but they made the intercourse which according to God's decree it may produce the male of the female by uniting the semen of the father with the ovum of the mother.

Moreover, the parents had the lust, but they cannot shape the fetus inside the womb in what shape or form: ugly or beautiful, blond or black hair and eye, white or brown ,,,etc.

That may be your religious belief, but these days we know what causes a fetus to be a male or a female, we don’t need to bring God into it. It has to do with chromosomes.

As to love or lust, what is the difference? Both can make a baby equally well. Even rape can make a baby. Making a baby is purely mechanical, physiological process. What does love or lust (or religion or God) have to do with it?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

When one talks about idolatry and how bad it is against God’s will, it is strange that the most lucrative business known to man is the Church.

Ministry after ministry on any religious platform, the Church pays no taxes to the state, the ministers are on record enjoying 6 figure incomes, driving height end cars, lavish homes, expensive life styles, and you want to talk about idolatry, no better example.

Show me were, the Church with its immense wealth which is not publicly advertised, has once made the news of being a philanthropic institution.

Bill Gates Microsoft, John Turner telecommunications giant and many others have donated huge amounts of money to help humanitarian causes. The smart thing with these people, they did not give the Church their philanthropic contribution, they insured that their contribution will not be abused by some scum bug who uses the word of God as a means of deceiving the gullible.
The Church has never shown such grace towards humanity. Idolatry? Big time, Hypocrisy, again big time.
The Vatican is full of pedophiles like crows on a roof top, the injustice of sexual abuse in many dioceses is endless. A huge criminal act……….against humanity’s vulnerable.

The motto of religion sucks, there is only one supreme invisible energy, call it the creator or anything that makes the mind feel good, Muslim, Christine, Catholic, Greek Orthodox, all are a spiritual concept that gives humanity something to occupy the mind and fulfill a sense of spiritual belong, while many have exploited that belong for personal gratification.

Today, gender neutral has been embraced by political correctness, example, we used to call the person who went fishing a fisherman, political correctness has changed that name in order to insure neutrality and inclusiveness to both genders male and female to fisher, now why is good perceived to be a male?

Is it because the vast majority are followers of tradition? or because the vast majority feels that a male God is more superior then a female God? If we were to adopted the example of the fisher, what should the name be that includes both genders in God?

sorry small error, now why is good perceived to be a male? change to Gog perceived to be a male?:smile:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

That may be your religious belief, but these days we know what causes a fetus to be a male or a female, we don’t need to bring God into it. It has to do with chromosomes.

As to love or lust, what is the difference? Both can make a baby equally well. Even rape can make a baby. Making a baby is purely mechanical, physiological process. What does love or lust (or religion or God) have to do with it?

Good points S J Porter.:lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

When one talks about idolatry and how bad it is against God’s will, it is strange that the most lucrative business known to man is the Church.

Ministry after ministry on any religious platform, the Church pays no taxes to the state, the ministers are on record enjoying 6 figure incomes, driving height end cars, lavish homes, expensive life styles, and you want to talk about idolatry, no better example.

Show me were, the Church with its immense wealth which is not publicly advertised, has once made the news of being a philanthropic institution.

I remember ‘Married With Children’; my favorite show did a take off on the TV Evangelical mega churches.

They have increased tax on beer, so Al Bundy decides to form a church, so that he may be able to buy tax free beer. All he wanted was to drink tax free beer in his garage with his buddies. But to his surprise, his church takes off, it goes national. Money starts pouring in.

So Reverend Al Bundy buys cheap cable time and takes his show to television, nationally. All is going well, until Marcy (who else?) brings him down.

She shows videos of Al going on a date with his wife, attending a ballet performance with is wife, even (horrors!) going into a motel with his wife. Al is finished with his followers. Even his tearful confession of ‘I have sinned’ (and here he did a very realistic imitation of Jimmy Swaggart) are to no avail.

It was a very funny and very hard hitting take off on television Christianity.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I remember ‘Married With Children’; my favorite show did a take off on the TV Evangelical mega churches.

They have increased tax on beer, so Al Bundy decides to form a church, so that he may be able to buy tax free beer. All he wanted was to drink tax free beer in his garage with his buddies. But to his surprise, his church takes off, it goes national. Money starts pouring in.

So Reverend Al Bundy buys cheap cable time and takes his show to television, nationally. All is going well, until Marcy (who else?) brings him down.

She shows videos of Al going on a date with his wife, attending a ballet performance with is wife, even (horrors!) going into a motel with his wife. Al is finished with his followers. Even his tearful confession of ‘I have sinned’ (and here he did a very realistic imitation of Jimmy Swaggart) are to no avail.

It was a very funny and very hard hitting take off on television Christianity.

yes well done, :lol:

 

[eanassir]

That may be your religious belief, but these days we know what causes a fetus to be a male or a female, we don’t need to bring God into it. It has to do with chromosomes.

As to love or lust, what is the difference? Both can make a baby equally well. Even rape can make a baby. Making a baby is purely mechanical, physiological process. What does love or lust (or religion or God) have to do with it?

This is not the point; you said your parents created you; I said: this is not correct; it may be they cannot do so; they cannot control your shape, your gender.

You will say it is a matter of chromosomes: yes, right it is chromosomes, but how many couples wish to have a baby and they cannot, and they cannot control the gender, the shape and whether he will be a twin or single fetus.

These are the five things impossible for man to decide and to accomplish:


(Surely, God:

>> with Him is the knowledge of the hour [of man's death];
>> and He sends down the rain;
>> and He knows what is in wombs;
>> and no soul knows what it is that it shall earn to-morrow;
>> and no soul knows in what land it shall die;

surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.)

The above (between brackets) is the explanation of the Quranic aya 31: 34​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[Spade]

A History of God

 

[eanassir]

When one talks about idolatry and how bad it is against God’s will, it is strange that the most lucrative business known to man is the Church.

Ministry after ministry on any religious platform, the Church pays no taxes to the state, the ministers are on record enjoying 6 figure incomes, driving height end cars, lavish homes, expensive life styles, and you want to talk about idolatry, no better example.

Show me were, the Church with its immense wealth which is not publicly advertised, has once made the news of being a philanthropic institution.

Bill Gates Microsoft, John Turner telecommunications giant and many others have donated huge amounts of money to help humanitarian causes. The smart thing with these people, they did not give the Church their philanthropic contribution, they insured that their contribution will not be abused by some scum bug who uses the word of God as a means of deceiving the gullible.
The Church has never shown such grace towards humanity. Idolatry? Big time, Hypocrisy, again big time.
The Vatican is full of pedophiles like crows on a roof top, the injustice of sexual abuse in many dioceses is endless. A huge criminal act……….against humanity’s vulnerable.

The motto of religion sucks, there is only one supreme invisible energy, call it the creator or anything that makes the mind feel good, Muslim, Christine, Catholic, Greek Orthodox, all are a spiritual concept that gives humanity something to occupy the mind and fulfill a sense of spiritual belong, while many have exploited that belong for personal gratification.

Today, gender neutral has been embraced by political correctness, example, we used to call the person who went fishing a fisherman, political correctness has changed that name in order to insure neutrality and inclusiveness to both genders male and female to fisher, now why is good perceived to be a male?

Is it because the vast majority are followers of tradition? or because the vast majority feels that a male God is more superior then a female God? If we were to adopted the example of the fisher, what should the name be that includes both genders in God?

I tell you the truth: the religions of today are the idolatry of yesterday.

The apostles of God came to fight such idolatry that is the today religions.

Religious leaders now: even their clothes, their programs their style their words are completely different from the original words and programs of the apostles whom they claim love them and work according to their instructions.

(Believers, [beware of rabbis and monks; because] many of the [Jewish] rabbis and the [Christian] monks devour the wealth of people without right and hinder [people] from God's way.)

The above (between brackets) is the explanation of the Quranic aya 9: 34​

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الأَحْبَارِ وَالرُّهْبَانِ لَيَأْكُلُونَ أَمْوَالَ النَّاسِ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَيَصُدُّونَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ​

Of course, this aya is now applicable to many Muslim religious men.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

I remember ‘Married With Children’; my favorite show did a take off on the TV Evangelical mega churches.

They have increased tax on beer, so Al Bundy decides to form a church, so that he may be able to buy tax free beer. All he wanted was to drink tax free beer in his garage with his buddies. But to his surprise, his church takes off, it goes national. Money starts pouring in.

So Reverend Al Bundy buys cheap cable time and takes his show to television, nationally. All is going well, until Marcy (who else?) brings him down.

She shows videos of Al going on a date with his wife, attending a ballet performance with is wife, even (horrors!) going into a motel with his wife. Al is finished with his followers. Even his tearful confession of ‘I have sinned’ (and here he did a very realistic imitation of Jimmy Swaggart) are to no avail.

It was a very funny and very hard hitting take off on television Christianity.

As I said: this is the idolatry and enthusiasm about saints: and it is not the religion of God: the devotion to God alone. This is the cheating and hypocrisy.

A similar example: a poor man had no work and was miserable, went to a
"maqam": a sactified place ascribed to an imam or a holy man.

He started to clean the "maqam", and the servants of the maqam were delighted, and gave him shelter there and food.

After some time they gave him a donkey loaded with some clothes and said to him: go and sell this goods and make a business for yourself.

He went throughout the villages selling the clothes and earning some money and he was glad at that; later on his donkey died, and so he was very sad. He buried it and stayed beside that grave sad and weeping: and saying How a loyal one were you, how a beneficial one were you.

Some travellers came there and hearing him say such words, they thought he was a holy man, with miracles ...etc; they gave him money and sacrifices. Then other travellers came and did similar things and burned candles on that grave; others came having an ill man and prayed from the one buried in that grave and built that grave.

Others came and decorated it and so on until it became a decorated shrine; and the servant of this grave became rich; but he did not tell others the truth that it was only a donkey that is buried there.

Then that shrine had a great fame and people from the remote villages came; among them were the servants of the "maqam" who gave him the donkey; so he said to them: it is only the donkey that you gave to me died and I buried it here.

They said to him: and that which is buried in our maqam also was a donkey which we buried there.

So this story indicates the cheating of people and their inclination to idolatry.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This is not the point; you said your parents created you; I said: this is not correct; it may be they cannot do so; they cannot control your shape, your gender.

You will say it is a matter of chromosomes: yes, right it is chromosomes, but how many couples wish to have a baby and they cannot, and they cannot control the gender, the shape and whether he will be a twin or single fetus.

These are the five things impossible for man to decide and to accomplish:
​

That in no way implies the presence of God, eanassir. There are many things we cannot control. We cannot control rain, snow, thunder, lightening etc. Would you blame those on God as well, like they did in ancient times?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I tell you the truth: the religions of today are the idolatry of yesterday.

The apostles of God came to fight such idolatry that is the today religions.

Religious leaders now: even their clothes, their programs their style their words are completely different from the original words and programs of the apostles whom they claim love them and work according to their instructions.

(Believers, [beware of rabbis and monks; because] many of the [Jewish] rabbis and the [Christian] monks devour the wealth of people without right and hinder [people] from God's way.)​

The above (between brackets) is the explanation of the Quranic aya 9: 34​

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الأَحْبَارِ وَالرُّهْبَانِ لَيَأْكُلُونَ أَمْوَالَ النَّاسِ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَيَصُدُّونَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ​

Of course, this aya is now applicable to many Muslim religious men.​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

Today, gender neutral has been embraced by political correctness, example, we used to call the person who went fishing a fisherman, political correctness has changed that name in order to insure neutrality and inclusiveness to both genders male and female to fisher, now why is god perceived to be a male?

What face do you put in God? is God a male or a female?

 

[L Gilbert]

That is what I mean: Even the idolaters know God the Creator the Lord of the heavens and the earth; they may call Him by other names.

Everyone's heard of Wodin, Zeus, Ra, etc. too. So what?

And in addition to the Creator they invent many gods: they say these gods are near to them on earth, while the Great One is in heaven and far of them as they think.

All gods are invented.

Moreover, the word "gods" may be used by some people to indicate angels, demons, devils, spirits ...etc.

So they swear by some material object: an idol; and they don't swear by the Great One Who should not be sworn by as they claim.

I thought swearing was a nono.

 

[L Gilbert]

That is easy. My creators were my mom and my dad.

This is not true.

I guess no-one ever told you about how babies are made. No wonder you have such a screwed up view of life.
Let me give you the facts: babies are made at the north pole by a special division of Santa Corp. Then as Santa gets mail from people who want babies, he checks his files to see if they were good people or not and then sends the baby to the parents via a stork.

 

[L Gilbert]

I know they are individuals but generally there is some God worshipped by each nation; I asked her about that; and you deny every word I say whether wrong or correct; and in fact I deny every word that you said and object to all your words that are only insisting and fallacy.

But you only deny, you cannot prove.

There is all evidence but you insist and deny all evidence that to every thing there should be a maker and to every order there should be a doer.

You have no evidence, only words.

To God Almighty and Creator, yes there is the evidence of cause and design and all other arguments and proofs which you display then deny (In the book of the atheist Dowkins or Hitchins they use such cunning way of displaying the arguments then say these are not justifiable in insisting way), but your denial is not any evidence; it is only a sort of insisting like the insisting of the politician in the election :-|

It is not my place to provide evidence for the non-existence of anything. If you make a claim, like there's only one god, then you should be able to prove it. But you can't. All you can do is talk.

 

[eanassir]

That in no way implies the presence of God, eanassir. There are many things we cannot control. We cannot control rain, snow, thunder, lightening etc. Would you blame those on God as well, like they did in ancient times?

Every thing in existence indicates the Maker; every movement in the universe indicates the Mover.

See that large tree; it is a miracle, and some marvelous thing is its existence and continue in existence, how can there be such a beautiful object without a Beautiful Maker and Sustainer.

 

[AnnaG]

Every thing in existence indicates the Maker; every movement in the universe indicates the Mover.

See that large tree; it is a miracle, and some marvelous thing is its existence and continue in existence, how can there be such a beautiful object without a Beautiful Maker and Sustainer.

How do things indicate a maker?
I see a tree growing; it is because it is getting water and nutrients from its surroundings, not some invisible thing with a water can. It is the nature of things to replicate cells and reproduce life. There's nothing in that to indicate that some leprachaun, faerie, god, or gremlin made it do that. I don't see any god's initials scratched into trees.

 

[Machjo]

I guess no-one ever told you about how babies are made. No wonder you have such a screwed up view of life.
Let me give you the facts: babies are made at the north pole by a special division of Santa Corp. Then as Santa gets mail from people who want babies, he checks his files to see if they were good people or not and then sends the baby to the parents via a stork.

No, no, no, no , no! The stork part is correct, but Santa has nothing to do with it.

 

[eanassir]

How do things indicate a maker?
I see a tree growing; it is because it is getting water and nutrients from its surroundings, not some invisible thing with a water can. It is the nature of things to replicate cells and reproduce life. There's nothing in that to indicate that some leprachaun, faerie, god, or gremlin made it do that. I don't see any god's initials scratched into trees.

Not like this, because we want to know is nature created be a Creator or not;

so if you see a chair, with four legs and two arms and a back and cushion which is decorated with drawings and finished in addition to some pieces of steel, others of wood fixed with screws, etc. can you say: this chair has come to existence without any maker? Another example: if you see a car with all its engine, and other parts will you say it is without any maker?

Then you can take it for yourself, and when a judge asks you, will you say: this chair or car has come to existence by itself without any maker so I took it to myself?

Moreover, I asked you: What is the name that your people give to the Creator of everything: in English it is God; in your language what do your people call this Creator?

 

[eanassir]

But you only deny, you cannot prove.

You have no evidence, only words.

It is not my place to provide evidence for the non-existence of anything. If you make a claim, like there's only one god, then you should be able to prove it. But you can't. All you can do is talk.

You are completely wrong; your words are only insisting and denial. You have no evidence to your claims.

The evidence to God's existence: is that anything has a maker and every movement has a mover.

If you see a car with its complex parts: engine, electric sets, ...etc can you say this car came to existence by itself spontaneously and no maker has made it?