Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

[AnnaG]

I think that the "scam" part relates to the push by some groups to profit from the confusion.

Unless you talk to Walter. He doesn't seem to think the world is any warmer than any other time in history. lol

Relative to the remainder of what you suggest - I also agree with what you have stated, including the notion that humanity kicks-into the equation from everything to respiring CO2 to the use of gasoline, nuclear experimentation (ie blasts), etc.. All of these things, among many many examples of how humanity contributes some input into the system, the question in my mind is if these inputs are large enough to significantly influence something like climate.

I admit it's of passing interest to me, too, but not as much as curtailing our harmful activities just because they are harmful. Like oil, for instance. IMO, it was better left in the ground. It's caused an awful lot of grief for both humans and the planet.

As you pointed-out, the variables like solar input and those terrestrial factors relating to naturally occurring systems also play an important role.

I certainly do not have the answers and quite honestly believe that no one does at this point in time.

Me either. We're still learning. We may never know all that is involved concerning climate. Flat out stating that the planet hasn't warmed or that we haven't had anything to do with it is just plain ignorant and presumptuous, though.

 

[AnnaG]

Here's something the scam has wrought.

Yup. Fools panic.

 

[Extrafire]

Yay...21st century and McCarthyism is alive and well...

You consider prosecuting someone for fraud to be McCarthyism??8O

 

[Extrafire]

Olly the Ostrich say, "Earth hasn't warmed. All those temperature readings are a scam. Thermometers are liars" lol

Uhmmm, I just can't think of anyone who's claimed the earth hasn't warmed. To whom do you refer?

 

[AnnaG]

Uhmmm, I just can't think of anyone who's claimed the earth hasn't warmed. To whom do you refer?

You haven't looked around, I guess. Walter, for one. He's always finding some weather report mentioning a cold snap or other.

 

[Johnnny]

Anyways whats going on right now is natural. The sea level in our current world is low, even throughout the geologic history, nowadays the sea level is low.

The reason why the sea level dropped was ebcause of Antartica Building glaciers, the tilt of the earths axis, the shape of the earths orbit around the sun, and the wobble while we spin around the SUN affects sea level change..

TAKE THAT TINFOIL HAT CROWD

and when we flood say good bye to the most of NWT, Manitoba and Ontario

 

[Extrafire]

You haven't looked around, I guess. Walter, for one. He's always finding some weather report mentioning a cold snap or other.

Walter pastes lots of articles on the AGW scam but I've never seen any post of his claiming that the earth hasn't warmed. Perhaps you could direct me to one?

 

[AnnaG]

Anyways whats going on right now is natural. The sea level in our current world is low, even throughout the geologic history, nowadays the sea level is low.

The reason why the sea level dropped was ebcause of Antartica Building glaciers, the tilt of the earths axis, the shape of the earths orbit around the sun, and the wobble while we spin around the SUN affects sea level change..

TAKE THAT TINFOIL HATE CROWD

Yep. Everything is natural. Humans are natural, therefore anything we do is natural. We can naturally spill oil all over a coastline, naturally cause the nuclear radiative poisoning of hundreds of thousands of living beings, etc.

 

[Johnnny]

nothing i said involves humans, in this thread at least


its a trend annaG, and todays ocean levels follows that trend

 

[Johnnny]

 

[AnnaG]

Walter pastes lots of articles on the AGW scam but I've never seen any post of his claiming that the earth hasn't warmed. Perhaps you could direct me to one?

Werll, the posts of his I looked at didn't contain specifically the words "the world hasn't warmed" but some of his posts like #4 here http://forums.canadiancontent.net/climate-change/73658-death-knell-agw-36.html seem to indicate he thinks warming is nonsense. If you want more, go look for them yourself.

 

[AnnaG]

nothing i said involves humans, in this thread at least


its a trend annaG, and todays ocean levels follows that trend

So? That's one opinion. I think it was darkbeaver that posted a credible link to something that said ocean level had dropped, too. I simply posted another credible link that said it had risen. *shrugs*

 

[Johnnny]

it is rising but its natural

 

[AnnaG]

it is rising but its natural

Like I said, everything is natural.

 

[Extrafire]

Werll, the posts of his I looked at didn't contain specifically the words "the world hasn't warmed" but some of his posts like #4 here http://forums.canadiancontent.net/climate-change/73658-death-knell-agw-36.html seem to indicate he thinks warming is nonsense. If you want more, go look for them yourself.

Well I went and looked at post #4 and all I could deduce was that it was claiming that the warming seems to have stopped for now. Not the same thing as "the world hasn't warmed", and everyone agrees that the warming has paused, even the scientists at the CRU.

 

[AnnaG]

Well I went and looked at post #4 and all I could deduce was that it was claiming that the warming seems to have stopped for now. Not the same thing as "the world hasn't warmed", and everyone agrees that the warming has paused, even the scientists at the CRU.

Oh, well. It's a matter of interpretation I guess. I'm going by my overall interpretation of all the stuff Walter's posted that I have read. You are asking me for one specific statement by Walter. *shrugs*

 

[Extrafire]

Oh, well. It's a matter of interpretation I guess. I'm going by my overall interpretation of all the stuff Walter's posted that I have read. You are asking me for one specific statement by Walter. *shrugs*

I asked for any example of someone who says "the earth hasn't warmed". The only reason I brought it up at all is because the most common tactic used against the "deniers" is to attribute to them, claims that "the earth hasn't warmed" when their actual claim is that humans have had little, if any effect on climate. It's a tactic used to deflect the argument away from the "denier" position onto something they can actually refute, the pathetic straw man tactic.

I've always considered you to be above that Anna.

 

[AnnaG]

I asked for any example of someone who says "the earth hasn't warmed". The only reason I brought it up at all is because the most common tactic used against the "deniers" is to attribute to them, claims that "the earth hasn't warmed" when their actual claim is that humans have had little, if any effect on climate. It's a tactic used to deflect the argument away from the "denier" position onto something they can actually refute, the pathetic straw man tactic.

So have you looked at all Walter's posts?

I've always considered you to be above that Anna.

Or above quibbling over a joke?

 

[Tonington]

You consider prosecuting someone for fraud to be McCarthyism??8O

No, I consider calls from people to investigate all climate scientists who use grants to be McCarthyism. Especially when they start throwing around various US codes that could be used to indict them (that would be Senator Inhoffe.)

All of this without the proper regard for evidence. I have no problem with investigations where credible allegations are produced. But that's not what Rex McBride was calling for in the article I responded to.

 

[Tonington]

I asked for any example of someone who says "the earth hasn't warmed". The only reason I brought it up at all is because the most common tactic used against the "deniers" is to attribute to them, claims that "the earth hasn't warmed" when their actual claim is that humans have had little, if any effect on climate. It's a tactic used to deflect the argument away from the "denier" position onto something they can actually refute, the pathetic straw man tactic.

Actually refute?

How about this. Satellites that measure the infrared spectra have been orbitting the planet for decades. Decades of laboratory measurements produced experimental results for what we should expect to find. In 2001, Nature published a paper which compared the measurements by the NASA IRIS satellite, and the Japanese IMG satellite. Over the 26 year period available at the time, they found a drop in the outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands where those laboratory experiments had informed us we should expect to see them. The results were consistent. Empirical evidence.

Those results have been confirmed, and strengthened by using more data from other instruments:
http://www.eumetsat.int/Home/Main/P...nts/document/pdf_conf_p50_s9_01_harries_v.pdf

On top of that, we have also measured an increasing trend in the infrared radiation returning to Earth:
Global atmospheric downward longwave radiation over land surface under all-sky conditions from 1973 to 2008

and:
P1.7 Measurements of the Radiative Surface Forcing of Climate (2006 - Annual2006_18climatevari)

where they note:

This experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming.

Consider it actually refuted.