Yes, the "red menace" lives, Part 1

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Yes, the "red menace" lives, Part 1

America: China's bulls-eye



By Wes Vernon

Before we even start this series, let's get one myth out of the way: Ronald Reagan did not "end communism." What Ronald Reagan did was to bring down the Soviet Empire. For that he is always to be honored and in this column's view, he was by far our best president of the 20th century.

But "ending communism" — a claim voiced even by some of his most ardent supporters — is not what the Gipper did and was not what he claimed to do. From the get-go, Reagan entered the White House January 20, 1981, with the specific goal in mind of bringing down the Soviet Union and its "evil empire." That is what he intended to do. He succeeded. In so doing, he freed millions who had lived under the boot of Soviet-directed communism, and ended the Soviets' steady march toward world domination.

One can only guess how many lives were saved because of President Reagan's policy of defeating the Soviet Union "without firing a shot" (to quote Margaret Thatcher). But "defeating communism"? That is not something that was possible in any one president's eight-year tenure, even one as determined as President Reagan. He himself understood it would take more than one administration to stamp out all the threats of the evil envisioned by Karl Marx in 1848. One has only to visit classroom lectures in 95-98% of America's universities to understand that.

Communism per se is alive and well, and not just in the theories espoused in the cloistered halls of academia. Several Communist countries remain — having outlasted their original Soviet sponsors. China, Cuba, and North Korea — for example — are plotting night and day to arm radical terrorists throughout the world, hopefully someday to use nuclear power's potential for unspeakable destruction to blackmail the United States.

Castro's Cuba has an ally in Hugo Chavez of Venezuela who has made moves to cooperate with an Iran whose nuclear ambitions lead to the concern that the U.S. will end up with enemy nukes right here in this hemisphere.

In fact, Venezuela has made trade deals with China in the billions. Our national security officials have been warned by the head of the U.S. Southern Command that China's progressing interest in the region is "an emerging dynamic that cannot be ignored."

Some have argued that the Soviet threat has been replaced by the barbarity of Islamofascism. Actually, the two have collaborated.

A current example

Here is yet another timely example of such collaboration on the part of those forces that aim for our destruction:

Communist China has transferred prohibited weapons to our enemies, including Iran and North Korea, both of which are advancing their nuclear capabilities. Iran was recently discovered to have built an underground nuclear facility.

(That raises some questions about the dead-wrong intelligence "estimate" of 2007 wherein we were effectively warned away from strong suspicions about Iran and its nukes. So who messed up? Where is the accountability?)

An "inconvenient" history

The four worst mass murderers in history are Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, Adolph Hitler, and Pol Pot — all of them in the 20th century, all of them influenced by some form of ultra hard-line "socialism" (bear in mind that the official name of Hitler's Nazi Party was the National Socialist German Workers Party).

One of those four mass murderers is honored today near the fulcrum of power in the U.S. Anita Dunn — a top functionary in the Obama White House has named Mao Tse-tung as one of the famous people she most admires.

But the issue transcends ideological wet kisses delivered by any White House groupies, even those who remain enthralled beyond the teeny-bopper stage. The reason we cite it is that it is but one illustration of the difficulty in getting the highest ranking sectors of our leadership to acknowledge the very threat of 21st century communism. That is a big part of the problem. It isn't just President Obama's own Marxist background. It is a thinking that permeates his entire administration: Communism (mass murders or not) is not all that bad. Needless to say, that attitude stands as a huge impediment to dealing with the problem.

China targets America?

On Capitol Hill, no one has done a more thorough study of the threat from China than Senator James Inhofe. In April of 2005, the Oklahoma Republican delivered a series of speeches nailing Communist China as a major threat to freedom. This column has been assured by the senator's staff that his research at that time remains applicable today.

Senator Inhofe told his colleagues that "China's spreading global influence and the imminent threat this poses to our national security" has put America on "a collision course...economically, militarily, and ideologically."

Much of the information the senator laid out was — by his own acknowledgement — "not new."

He himself did not say this, but we will: It is not new because our "watchdog media" and many high-ranking decision-makers of both parties either look the other way or cover it up. (Ah! All that money from doing business with the Chinese keeps the good times rolling, so let's continue whistling past the graveyard.)

Communist spying (late 20th / early 21st centuries)

Senator Inhofe cited the Cox Report, a 1999 document resulting from closed-door hearings by a House committee headed by then-Rep. Christopher Cox of California. The committee report — signed by every one of its Democrats and Republicans — pinpointed a massive spy operation in which China has stolen U.S. nuclear secrets — including the W-88 warhead — "the crown jewel of our nuclear program which allowed up to 10 warheads to be attached to the same missile."

The Clinton administration gave the green light for Loral Space and Hughes Electronics to improve the precision and reliability of China's satellites and missiles, undoing 50 years of technology import-export restrictions. This gave China the ability to target — with pinpoint accuracy — between 13 and 18 U.S. cities.

Broken promises

"China's assistance to weapons of mass destruction-related programs in countries of concern [i.e., Iran, North Korea, and others] continues, despite repeated promises to end such activities and the repeated imposition of U.S. sanctions," according to a report by the congressionally-created U.S. China Security Economic Review Commission (USCSERC).

Senator Inhofe believes that China's supplying of Iran with weapons technology "is similar to the role the Soviet Union played in the Cuban missile crisis. It's probably worse, because at least in Cuba, the USSR maintained control of the weapons and technology. On the other hand, China is fully willing to proliferate regardless of the consequences."

It's "about oil"?

In turn, China has signed oil/gas deals in the tens of billions with Iran, from whom it receives a large percentage of its oil imports.

In fact, Mr. Inhofe has said that "China's alarming need for oil has caused it to look around for new sources, sources that are often problematic states with security concerns for the United States."

Small wonder that China has repeatedly moved to undermine international efforts to curb the nuclear ambitions of oil-rich terrorist states and states that harbor terrorists.

What does China want?

Again, the U.S. China Security Economic Review Commission:

"One of Beijing's stated goals is to reduce what it considers U.S. superpower dominance in favor of a multipolar global power structure in which China attains superpower status on par with the United States."

There are those who believe the commission — in an understandable desire not to be seen as alarmist or as overstating the issue — is holding back suspicions that China may be aiming ultimately for a higher target — world domination, with the U.S. currently seen as standing in the way. In fact, China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) has described the U.S. as "the main enemy."

There is more, much more, and this huge issue — the 21st century communist threat, when acting on its own or collaborating with the Islamofascist terrorist nations (or — for all we know — non-nation terrorist groups) — will be further explored in this space in the future.
 

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Yes, the red menace still lives--Part 2


By Wes Vernon



This (non-consecutive) series explores the danger that communism (in whatever form or cover) is alive and well around the world, albeit without the top-down direction of the old Soviet Empire.

In this installment, we are saying Communism (with a large or small "c") not only remains a threat, but is about to take one giant step toward total world domination.

Yesterday's Reds are today's Greens

If all of this sounds far-fetched, consider that people who have experienced firsthand the fangs-bearing menace of Communism (Czech Republic President Vaclav Havel, for example) see a remarkable resemblance between what happened in their own experiences and what is happening here and throughout the world.

That is not to say that with the collapse of the Soviet Empire, the Communist Party-USA shut down its headquarters and announced to the world, "Out of Business...Now Under the new management of Greenpeace, the Earth Liberation Front, the Sierra Club, et al." Nothing as blatant and orderly as that. In a lot of ways, the switch from Red to Green quite naturally "just happened."

Into this whole Red/Green equation, one must consider that Communist propaganda by itself never would have wormed its way into our media, entertainment, and academia without the help of "crypto-communists" (with a small "c") — i.e., those who never joined the Communist Party, or who may never even have joined a Communist front.

However, their actions and pronouncements have provided reasonable suspicion that in their heart of hearts they looked to the old Soviet Union as the world force that would pressure America and other Western Nations into a more "egalitarian" society — enforced from the top down — the "workers' paradise." You could hear it in their "moral equivalence" arguments when discussing the Soviet Union — damning America, but rarely — if ever — condemning the huge prison that was the Soviet empire. In fact, to this day, they hate Ronald Reagan precisely because he brought down that "evil empire." This is what the late Jeane Kirkpatrick correctly saw as the "blame America first" crowd.

Warning sounded — 2003

Several years ago, Ann Coulter wrote about this phenomenon in her book Treason. Ann caught hell for that — while the book's lofty position on the New York Times best-seller list suggested she had hit intellectual pay-dirt. Normal people do in fact instinctively scratch their heads and wonder at the contortions supposedly responsible leaders display in order to excuse actions and policies that defy common sense and clearly inflict harm on America's best interest.

From Red to Green

It has been obvious for some time that the "crypto-communists" have found refuge and a (more "respectable") home in the Green movement. What better cover for anti-freedom anti-free market mischief than to say something to the effect of — "Nobody here but us tree-huggers." Has anyone ever wondered why the "greenies" rarely raise the question of carbon footprints left by big government itself (unless, of course, it's the military, which they instinctively loathe and despise)? It is not in their DNA. It's the private sector and its concomitant free markets that are always the target of communists, crypto or otherwise.

Warning sounded — 2009

From December 7 to December 18 — when many Americans will be focused on preparing for the Christmas holidays, the nations of the world will be gathered in Copenhagen for the United Nations Climate Change Conference. Lord Christopher Monckton — at one time a science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher — has charged the real aim of this "Kyoto-2" treaty is to use the "Global Warming" hoax to begin the preparations for one-world government.

You can be certain that a world regime — if it materializes — will fulfill the decades-long desires of communists worldwide to impose what the Washington Post has oxymoronically defined — in another context — as "populist authoritarianism."

On October 23, Lord Monckton appeared at a 40th Anniversary celebration of Accuracy in Media. I asked a panel on which he appeared if it is true — to simplify — that the spirit of the Communist movement had found a comfort zone in "environmentalism." The panelists, including the distinguished gentleman from Great Britain, did not dispute the notion.

Lord Monckton a few days earlier had sounded the warning at a forum in Minnesota. Merely quoting a few parts of those concluding remarks would not do justice to them. Here is what he outlined:

What it [the treaty] says is this: that a world government is going to be created. The word "government" actually appears as the first of the three purposes of the new entity.

The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the west to third-world countries in satisfaction of what is called coyly "a climate debt" — because we've been burning CO2 and they haven't, and we've [supposedly] been screwing up the climate. We haven't been screwing up the climate, that's a lie.

The third purpose of this new entity — this government — is enforcement.

How many of you think that the word "election" or "democracy" or "vote" or "ballot" occurs anywhere in the 200 pages in that treaty? Quite right, it doesn't appear once.

So at last, communists piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement and took over Greenpeace so that my friends who founded it left within a year because they [the communists] had captured it.

Now, the apotheosis is at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view, he's going to sign. He'll sign anything, he's a Nobel Peace Prize [recipient], of course he's going to sign.

And the trouble is this: If that treaty is signed, your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution. You can't [resign] from that treaty unless you get the agreement from all the other state parties, and because you'll be the biggest paying country, they're not going to let you out.

So thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom for the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your prosperity away forever — and neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back again.

That is how serious it is. I've read the treaty — I've seen this stuff about government and climate debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it or not.

But I think it is here — here in your great nation which I so love — and I so admire — It is here that perhaps at this eleventh hour — at the 59th minute and 59th second — you will rise up and you will stop your president from signing that dreadful treaty — that purposeless treaty, for there is no problem with the climate, and even if there were, economically, there is nothing we can do about it.

So I end by saying to you the words that Winston Churchill addressed to your president in the darkest hour before the dawn of freedom in the Second World War. He quoted from your great poet Longfellow:


"Sail on, you ship of state. Sail on, oh union strong and great. Humanity, with all its fears — with all the hopes of future years is hanging breathlessly on thy fate."

No way out?

Lord Monckton apparently believes President Obama intends to find a way to circumvent Senate ratification of the world government treaty.

This looks like an issue that would prompt an uprising so strong as to make the Tea Party movement look like a mere anti-establishment nuisance — or would make last summer's Townhall meetings appear relatively serene.

The out-and-out, face-to-face crackdown won't happen right away. This is something that will come in steps until "they" are satisfied you and I are totally weak and defenseless. It's like the old metaphor of the frog whose fate is sealed as he jumps into cold water and doesn't notice it is slowly getting warmer until by the time it is boiling, it is too late to be saved.

A vision of the iron fist of enforcement is something we used to assume was relegated to George Orwell novels (along with phrases describing the exact opposite of reality — aka health care "reform"). It is frightening. The Obama administration is already chockablock with Maoists and Marxists who have said in the plain English language they intend to run our media, dictate our lives, and see to it that our lifestyles conform to their "politically correct" vision.

Put all this on the world stage — in combination with worldwide Communist dictatorships only too willing to collaborate with terrorists — and how long is it before the strong arm of enforcement comes to Main Street of Middle America? Once a Communist world government takes over under cover of paying our "climate debt," where then is the counterweight to those who — when the opportune moment arrives — would charge down Main Street USA to send dissidents off to something resembling the old Soviet gulag or Nazi concentration camp?

Where you come in

Time is short. In terms of resources, the organizing skills of Joe and Jane Six-Pack can't begin to match the endless flow of dollars poured into the onward march of the World Government machine by billionaire George Soros and others of his ilk. But their sheer love of country and the patriotic fervor of most Americans can balance the scales.

Let us review Article 2, Section 2, of the Constitution — and remember, the founders who wrote that brilliant document wanted you to have the right to own property — the very cornerstone of your freedom. It says the president "shall have the Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur."

President Obama hopes to get around this by sending Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry to discuss with UN officials what he believes will fly with 67 members of the 100-member U.S. Senate. You can read that as saying Kerry — rejected by the voters in his 2004 presidential bid — will try to scheme (and the senator is a very clever schemer) a way to bamboozle two-thirds of the Senate.

The whole idea of sending Senator Kerry overseas to plot with international bureaucrats as to how to avoid a public relations disaster with the American people who might view the treaty as not in their best interests — smells of a breach of the separation of powers anyway. But if President Obama is going to do that, and wants ensure the treaty is not anti-American, he would also send Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe — ranking member of Environment and Public Works — and/or South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint, a member of Kerry's Foreign Relations panel. All it takes is 34 senators to block this turkey.

There is no getting around it. If Mr. Obama dares to sign this treaty and then uses whatever window-dressing Senator Kerry brings home to ram it through, the president should face impeachment proceedings. One can argue he's already pushing unconstitutional measures on Health "Care" and Cap-and-Trade. These (especially the latter) would fit the world "Climate Debt" regime like a glove. But the prospect of actual official world domination could unleash the definitive retribution on the part of Middle America.

Rush Limbaugh said on Fox News Sunday that such retribution would likely come at the ballot box in 2010, especially if the Health Care diktat actually passes. He is right. The question is whether it will be too late, or as Lord Monckton put it — "and neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take [your freedom, your democracy, and your prosperity] back again."

What is called for here is a popular peaceful, but emphatic, uprising in 2009, one that goes beyond "throwing the bums out." This time it is necessary to galvanize normal Middle Americans now before the "bums" get to us first.
 

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I think it's stupid that countries governments can't leave each other alone. The stupidest things that humans have invented are religion and politics.
Agree AG, in both cases you are selling out your own" soul" to either imaginary god ,state or both.
 

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What Ronald Reagan did was to bring down the Soviet Empire.
Another myth. The consensus among modern historians, according to a Globe&Mail column by Doug Saunders on October 24, is that Reagan's confrontational policies actually prolonged its life by several years by keeping the most reactionary and paranoid elements in power. The Soviet Empire collapsed under its own weight of debt, mismanagement, and inefficiency. Willy Brandt, who started the policy of engagement and aid rather than confrontation and isolation, had more to do with it than Ronald Reagan.
 

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Quoting china What Ronald Reagan did was to bring down the Soviet Empire.
Another myth. The consensus among modern historians, according to a Globe&Mail column by Doug Saunders on October 24, is that Reagan's confrontational policies actually prolonged its life by several years by keeping the most reactionary and paranoid elements in power. The Soviet Empire collapsed under its own weight of debt, mismanagement, and inefficiency. Willy Brandt, who started the policy of engagement and aid rather than confrontation and isolation, had more to do with it than Ronald Reagan.
I think that what has most contributed to the downfall of communism in, soviet Russia was the Polish people (Solidarity -don,t think they would not fight the Russians Dexter , if the occasion arose ) Pope JP-2-and Regan who both helped the solidarity movement in their own way.In turn the unrest in Poland spread to the other countries of the block causing the fall of the Soviet regime .
As far as..." The Soviet Empire collapsed under its own weight of debt, mismanagement, and inefficiency" .. look at the North Korea;are they run , manege more efficiently than USSR was ? they are still here .
 
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Quoting china What Ronald Reagan did was to bring down the Soviet Empire.
Another myth. The consensus among modern historians, according to a Globe&Mail column by Doug Saunders on October 24, is that Reagan's confrontational policies actually prolonged its life by several years by keeping the most reactionary and paranoid elements in power. The Soviet Empire collapsed under its own weight of debt, mismanagement, and inefficiency. Willy Brandt, who started the policy of engagement and aid rather than confrontation and isolation, had more to do with it than Ronald Reagan.
Poles reclaim role in fall of communism

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Flowers, a photo of Pope John Paul II and Solidarity banners adorn the entry to the Gdansk shipyard, where Solidarity was formed in 1980. David Crossland for The National

GDANSK, Poland // At the Gdansk shipyard, where striking workers in 1980 founded Solidarity, the first free trade union in the Soviet bloc, no one has any doubts about who brought down communism in Europe.

“The fall of the Berlin Wall was only possible because of what happened here in Gdansk,” said Jaroslaw Zurawinski, 43, who gives tours of the site. “But unfortunately the Germans are much better than the Poles at propaganda and self-promotion. The achievements of Solidarity are being forgotten, which is regrettable.”
The memory of the struggle is more alive than ever at the former Lenin Shipyard in this Baltic port city. Its entrance gate is adorned with flowers, photos of the late Pope John Paul II, Solidarity banners and the red and white Polish flag.

A few metres away, fresh wreaths lie at the Monument to Fallen Shipyard Workers, which commemorates the more than 40 people killed by the police and army during protests in 1970.
“We as proletarians had to build capitalism,” Lech Walesa, the former leader of Solidarity, told foreign journalists in Gdansk last week. “Getting the Nobel Peace Prize gave us strength to fight on.” Mr Walesa won the prize in 1983.
Poles are not claiming that they were the only nation to revolt against communism. Their campaign in the 1970s and 1980s followed the brutal suppression of the East German uprising in 1953, the Hungarian revolution in 1956 and the Prague Spring in 1968.

But historians and analysts agree that Poland made an exceptional contribution to ending communist rule with strikes and mass demonstrations throughout the 1980s in a peaceful revolution encouraged by the Polish John Paul II, who inspired a crowd of three million in Warsaw in 1979 with the words: “Let your Spirit descend, and renew the face of the earth, the face of this land.”

The revolution rolled on despite the imposition of martial law, the banning of Solidarity, the imprisonment of opposition leaders, including Mr Walesa, and the deaths of protesters at mass demonstrations violently put down by Poland’s communist authorities.

And on June 4, 1989, after talks between the government and opposition that became a model for other countries in the eastern bloc, Poland held an election that a few months later produced the first government led by non-communists.
Poland’s breakthrough, inspired the whole of eastern Europe.


“The Poles are very proud of their role in the fall of communism. They say tongue-in-cheek it was Walesa, Pope John Paul and Ronald Reagan who brought down communism and they see Solidarity as the first chink in the block which led to a domino effect,” said Adam Jasser, the programme director at DemosEuropa, a Polish think tank.
 
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I think that what has most contributed to the downfall of communism in, soviet Russia was the Polish people
You might legitimately credit Solidarity with the downfall of communism in Poland, it's a bit of a stretch to extend it to the USSR. The final fall really all began on August 19, 1989, when a Hungarian border guard named Bella Arpad refused his orders to shoot and let thousands of East Germans escape into Austria. That first act of defiance likely led to the Berlin Wall being opened on November 9th, but none of it could have happened if a thoughtful and sensible person like Gorbachev hadn't come to power in the USSR.
As far as..." The Soviet Empire collapsed under its own weight of debt, mismanagement, and inefficiency" .. look at the North Korea;are they run , manege more efficiently than USSR was ? they are still here .
What's that got to do with anything? North Korea and the old Soviet empire are hardly comparable. I suspect the sources of information available to me aren't all available to you in the Peoples Republic of China, especially as regards a client state like North Korea, so perhaps it's escaped your notice that North Korea is pretty much a failed state.
 

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I think that what has most contributed to the downfall of communism in, soviet Russia was the Polish people
You have not continued the statement--here it is again
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China
I think that what has most contributed to the downfall of communism in, soviet Russia was the Polish people (Solidarity -don,t think they would not fight the Russians Dexter , if the occasion arose ) Pope JP-2-and Regan who both helped the solidarity movement in their own way.In turn the unrest in Poland spread to the other countries of the block causing the fall of the Soviet regime .
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The final fall really all began on August 19, 1989, when a Hungarian border guard named Bella Arpad refused his orders to shoot and let thousands of East Germans escape into Austria.
China
At that time Solidarity was already 10 million strong and calling other countries to to defiene their communist gov.
And on June 4, 1989, after talks between the government and opposition that became a model for other countries in the eastern bloc, Poland held an election that a few months later produced the first government led by non-communists.
Poland’s breakthrough, inspired the whole of eastern Europe.
That included the fall of the Berlin wall.
Yes ,agree with you that Gorbie had allot to do- with "the Wall".

 
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ina I think that what has most contributed to the downfall of communism in, soviet Russia was the Polish people

You might legitimately credit Solidarity with the downfall of communism in Poland, it's a bit of a stretch to extend it to the USSR. The final fall really all began on August 19, 1989, when a Hungarian border guard named Bella Arpad refused his orders to shoot and let thousands of East Germans escape into Austria. That first act of defiance likely led to the Berlin Wall being opened on November 9th, but none of it could have happened if a thoughtful and sensible person like Gorbachev hadn't come to power in the USSR.


Time line of events leading to communism's collapse
By The Associated Press (AP) – 3 hours ago
Key dates in the collapse of communism across Eastern Europe in 1989:
_ June 4: Poland holds first partially free elections in four decades; Solidarity-led opposition wins all but one freely contested seat in parliament.
_ August: Tens of thousands of East Germans swamp West German diplomatic missions in East Berlin, Czechoslovakia and Hungary seeking asylum.
_ Aug. 24: In Poland, longtime Solidarity adviser Tadeusz Mazowiecki becomes Soviet bloc's first non-communist prime minister.
_ Sept. 11: Hungary opens its border with the West to East German refugees.
_ Oct. 7: During visit to East Berlin, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev indirectly urges reform; thousands demonstrate against East German regime in first of series of protests that grow to rally of 1 million people Nov. 4.
_ Nov. 7-8: East Germany's ruling Politburo resigns.
_ Nov. 9: Berlin Wall falls: Border between East and West Germany opens.
_ Nov. 17: Students clash with police, starting Czechoslovakia's "Velvet Revolution."
_ Dec. 17: Romanian police fire at protesters; dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and wife try to flee uprising five days later and are executed Christmas Day.
_ Dec. 29: Communist rule ends in Czechoslovakia; dissident Vaclav Havel elected president.
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_ Oct. 3: Germany is reunited.
_ Dec. 9: Lech Walesa wins Poland's first popular presidential election.
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ina I think that what has most contributed to the downfall of communism in, soviet Russia was the Polish people
You might legitimately credit Solidarity with the downfall of communism in Poland, it's a bit of a stretch to extend it to the USSR. The final fall really all began on August 19, 1989, when a Hungarian border guard named Bella Arpad refused his orders to shoot and let thousands of East Germans escape into Austria. That first act of defiance likely led to the Berlin Wall being opened on November 9th, but none of it could have happened if a thoughtful and sensible person like Gorbachev hadn't come to power in the USSR.
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Time line of events leading to communism's collapse

By The Associated Press (AP) – 3 hours ago
Key dates in the collapse of communism across Eastern Europe in 1989:
_ June 4: Poland holds first partially free elections in four decades; Solidarity-led opposition wins all but one freely contested seat in parliament.
_ August: Tens of thousands of East Germans swamp West German diplomatic missions in East Berlin, Czechoslovakia and Hungary seeking asylum.
_ Aug. 24: In Poland, longtime Solidarity adviser Tadeusz Mazowiecki becomes Soviet bloc's first non-communist prime minister.
_ Sept. 11: Hungary opens its border with the West to East German refugees.
_ Oct. 7: During visit to East Berlin, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev indirectly urges reform; thousands demonstrate against East German regime in first of series of protests that grow to rally of 1 million people Nov. 4.
_ Nov. 7-8: East Germany's ruling Politburo resigns.
_ Nov. 9: Berlin Wall falls: Border between East and West Germany opens.
_ Nov. 17: Students clash with police, starting Czechoslovakia's "Velvet Revolution."
_ Dec. 17: Romanian police fire at protesters; dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and wife try to flee uprising five days later and are executed Christmas Day.
_ Dec. 29: Communist rule ends in Czechoslovakia; dissident Vaclav Havel elected president.
1990:
_ Oct. 3: Germany is reunited.
_ Dec. 9: Lech Walesa wins Poland's first popular presidential election.
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East Germans via tv reception etc. became increasingly aware of how the West Germans and others lived.--The soviet lie could no longer be upheld and the system crumbled.
 

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Jesus believed in communism

Communism is about sharing wealth with everyone.

Capitalism is all about the (ME) complex where hoarding is the norm and wealth equates to power.

Power buys slaves that run governments

Satan believes in capitalism.

This is why we have wars and unrest.

The solution is to share the wealth and the wars and unrest will only exist in history books
 

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Jesus believed in communism
You are talking in a past tense ;as if Jesus was dead .%$(@)

Communism is about sharing wealth with everyone.
Who makes the wealth ? the communists ?...they only know how to print money .eg.Trudeau
Capitalism is all about the (ME) complex where hoarding is the norm and wealth equates to poweon
Don't come to PRC ............you'll be disappointed .Capitalism is what keeps the communist China above most of the countries ,economically .
 
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Lech Walesa in the Polish parliament in 2007. Photo AP The First wall to fall was in Poland, says Lech Walesa
Published: 9 November 2009 14:05 | Changed: 9 November 2009 17:30

The world is looking to Berlin as the city celebrates 20 years since the fall of the Wall. But in an interview with Spiegel Online, Lech Walesa, the man who led Solidarnosc, says the collapse of communism started in the Polish shipyards.
By Charles Hawley for Spiegel Online in Gdansk

Are you looking forward to the 20th anniversary celebration of the fall of the Berlin Wall?
Lech Walesa: It's not important whether I'm looking forward to it or not. I am a politician who played an important role in the reunification of Germany and I was invited to take part in the celebration. It's not like a piece of candy handed out to a sweet little boy.
The guest list in Berlin is an impressive one. Chancellor Angela Merkel is expecting numerous world leaders to attend, including French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, among others. Surely it is an honour to be a part of it.
The first wall to fall was pushed over in 1980 in the Polish shipyards. Later, other symbolic walls came down, and the Germans, of course, tore down the literal wall in Berlin. The fall of the Berlin Wall makes for nice pictures. But it all started in the shipyards.
Recognition: Berlin Mayor Klaus Wowereit poses next to a giant domino signed by Lech Walesa with the words 'It began in Poland'. Walesa was invited to knock over the first of 1.000 giant dominos which have been placed along the path of the wall. Photo AFP
There were, of course, a number of other attempts to revolt against Soviet rule in Eastern Europe. The Hungarians in 1956. The Czechs in 1968. Why did your Solidarnosc labour union succeed where others failed?
The communists always beat back such attempts with their superior power. And they also staged demonstrations aimed at showing their support among the population as a way of establishing legitimacy. In 1980 in the shipyards, we tried to use the communists' strategy against them. We organised the people -- including workers outside of the shipyards -- and we received support from people from other countries. The Pope, who played the most important role, arranged a collective prayer, not just in Poland but also elsewhere. We found that there were millions of us. For the first time, the communists were not able to stage a demonstration that was larger than ours. As a result, they felt weak, and this was an important element in their ultimate defeat.
Still, even until late in the 1980s, it wasn't clear that communism was headed for collapse. Did you really believe that the Soviets would sit back and allow communist governments in Eastern Europe to be overthrown?
The greatest fears I had came out of concern for what might be happening behind the scenes. We defeated communism, and the people in East Germany began to flee via the embassies of other countries. The Berlin Wall fell because of these deserters. I was worried that Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev would decide to block the mass escape and thus destroy our victory. The game was a dangerous one. It is good that Gorbachev was a weak politician and that everything went well. But that's now history so we can accept the pictures from Berlin as they are. They are indeed beautiful.
Last week, former US President George H. W. Bush, ex-Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Gorbachev were in Berlin to discuss the end of the Cold War. Certainly Western pressure was one reason that Gorbachev didn't act to block the East German exodus?
The politicians always told us that the Cold War stand-off could only change by way of nuclear war. None of them believed that such systemic change was possible. They now express gratitude to the people for having made the changes possible, but at the same time they present themselves as the fathers of German reunification. In truth, they were only accidental fathers of the fall of the Wall -- forced into action by the masses.



Lech Walesa during the strike in Gdansk in 1980. Photo Reuters





Why were they so taken by surprise? Because they are true politicians. Politicians count everything: they compare the number of tanks, missiles and guns possessed by each side. And the wiser the politician was -- the better the computer model they used -- the more impossible the fall of the Berlin Wall appeared. Even today, if you were to enter the same data into a computer, the answer would be the same: no chance. But revolutionaries think differently.
How so? There were great changes taking place in the Soviet Union and a number of leadership changes had taken place, with one Soviet leader after another dying. Such a situation necessarily leads to some destabilisation. At the same time, we began mobilising the masses and Gorbachev didn't know what to do. He had little choice but to accept things as they were -- just shooting at the masses would not have been enough because there were too many of us. The career politicians were unable to see that.
Many, of course, see things differently. The Americans, for example, are fond of pointing to Reagan's "Tear Down this Wall" speech as being a decisive event leading to its fall. The Russians point to perestroika.
Normal people from Germany, Russia and the US have shown us more support. But the politicians have merely toyed with the memory of the event. That's why when I see images of Bush, Kohl and Gorbachev under the headline "Three Fathers of the Fall of the Wall," it looks more like chance to me than anything. They merely implemented the desires expressed by the people.
Are those desires accurately reflected by the Poland and the Europe of today?
If someone had told me before I began the struggle that I would one day live in a Poland and Europe like that of today, I would never have believed it. But even so, when I look back and see all the chances that we missed, I am not satisfied. It is something I always say: I am for it, but I am also against it.
What sort of missed chances are you talking about?
Walesa: Democracy is made up of three elements. One is whether the laws support pluralistic principles. The second is whether the people take advantage of these laws. The third element is whether the peoples' wallets are thick enough to benefit from this democracy. In Poland, we have the legal foundation for democracy. We haven't proven very adept at taking advantage of it however. And the situation of our wallets is even worse.
You haven't held a political office in Poland since your defeat in the 1995 presidential election to the ex-communist Aleksander Kwasniewski. Yet you have remained a voice in Polish politics and have at times been vocal in your criticism of Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski. It seems like you feel your political work is not yet done.
There is a risk right now that we might lose the victory that we fought so hard for. The question is whether we have learnt from our experiences or whether we need another whack upside the head from history. The masses learnt, but after the victory the masses handed power back to the politicians. And they forget that it was we who won the victory. We might have to set the masses in motion once again.
You count yourself as one of the masses and not as a politician?
Yes. But I belonged to that part of the masses that fought hard for victory over communism. I risked my life. And we won this victory, but the politicians ignore it. The victory over communism came thanks to the shipyards and thanks to the Holy Father. But now, nobody mentions the Holy Father. Nobody mentions Solidarnosc. The past isn't everything, but one cannot build a future on such a foundation -- and that's why I am trying to speak up today.
Why wasn't Solidarnosc able to continue as a political power in Poland after it mobilised the masses to bring down communism?
One can't just replace an old system with a new one. We won and then presented our victory to our country, to Germany and to Europe. Of course it's messy, but our task was not to replace communism, rather it was to enable the development of something else. In this regard, I acted against my own self-interest. A number of political parties sprang up after the defeat of communism and I couldn't belong to them all. I could no longer play the great Walesa. Ultimately, I weakened my own power, but it was more out of choice because I didn't want my name to be equated with that of Kim Il Sung or Lenin. Thus, I had to submit to political defeat in the name of democracy. That is my fate -- the fate of a true revolutionary.