Quit picking on Obama……
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So you think people that can't afford health insurance should be forced to do just that? How? What good was done for unemployment by spending a $trillion? Unemployment is still climbing. My friend is wrong? It's one thing to cut back spending but when you cut back on healthcare spending and nlow it stupidly on "job incentives" that don't work, it doesn't look pretty. Seems to me Campbull is trying the same BS here only he's adding education to the list of stuff to cut back on. BTW, my friend happens to be in the middle of healthcare in Ohio. She's a reg. nurse. So no, she isn't stupid.
They are stuck in the mindset that insurance companies are the savior and that anything government costs too much. They spend per capita a $1.50 for every $1 spent in other countries, and their health is no better. They can't get past the fear mongering of socialist conspiracies and boogie men.
Spending a trillion meant there isn't 30% unemployment rather than 10%. If every financial institution had failed down there they would be in far worse shape. There is a big picture here and people don't get it. The country leveraged everything and spent like drunken sailors. When the air went out the economy was headed over the cliff.
Yes, I believe your friend is entirely wrong.
So forcing the poor to spend money they haven't got on insurance will solve the healthcare problem. hhmmm
Unemployment is still climbing. hhmmm
People without jobs will risk getting sick in favor of feeding their families. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, insurances are a luxury when your family's food supply is endangered.
Census: Uninsured rose to 46.3M in 2008 - San Francisco Business Times:
US suffers unemployment relapse - The Manufacturer.com - Promoting best practice in Manufacturing
Obama’s plan stimulates the deficit, not the economy | Washington Examiner
You'll always find links to support anything, even UFOs.
It's not just about the poor living in shoe boxes. It's about people who the insurance companies won't insure. And as mentioned, a state like Alabama has 90% of the insured through one insurance company. What do you think that company will do to premiums without competition? Do you think they care to insure anyone with pre-existing conditions? Can you imagine a Canadian being denied healthcare because of a pre-existing condition?
It's not just about the poor living in shoe boxes. It's about people who the insurance companies won't insure. And as mentioned, a state like Alabama has 90% of the insured through one insurance company. What do you think that company will do to premiums without competition? Do you think they care to insure anyone with pre-existing conditions? Can you imagine a Canadian being denied healthcare because of a pre-existing condition?
It's happened that Canadians have been denied coverage. Ever heard of Suzanne Aucoin?
Perhaps there are links that support all manners of things, but unless they are shown to be wrong then they might be right.
I'm not defending the US health systemand insurance, but I haven't seen the expected miracles from The Big O that people have expected and some still laud him for.
He inherited a mess, the biggest since the 1930's. If he and the rest of the feds hadn't done what they have done they'd have 30% soup kitchens rather than 10% unemployment. It's pretty hard to look at it and compare because no one has experienced how bad it could've been.
He also said last night that since people are denied the ability to be insured it costs the average family something like $1000 a year in taxes to cover these people when they do need care. Yet those people being denied would've gladly paid the $1000 premiums.
I give the guy credit for trying to deal with a disaster and think outside the box when most others are close-minded.
He also said last night that since people are denied the ability to be insured it costs the average family something like $1000 a year in taxes to cover these people when they do need care. Yet those people being denied would've gladly paid the $1000 premiums.
I give the guy credit for trying to deal with a disaster and think outside the box when most others are close-minded.
You'll always find links to support anything, even UFOs.
That is what I have told her as well, Kreskin, 90% of what appears on internet is pure trash. But some people seem to think that because it appears on internet, it has to be the Gospel truth.
And she seems fond of quoting far right websites. Now this Washington Examiner for instance. I had never heard of it before this, I had heard of Washington Post and Washington Times (which is an Obama hate sheet).
Anyway, this Washington Examiner appears to be another far right website, another Obama hate sheet. Go to the website, click on politics. Most of the items appearing are pro Republican, anti-Democratic.
When reading anything on internet, it is important to look at the source and make sure the source is unbiased.
That is what I have told her as well, Kreskin, 90% of what appears on internet is pure trash. But some people seem to think that because it appears on internet, it has to be the Gospel truth.
And she seems fond of quoting far right websites. Now this Washington Examiner for instance. I had never heard of it before this, I had heard of Washington Post and Washington Times (which is an Obama hate sheet).
Anyway, this Washington Examiner appears to be another far right website, another Obama hate sheet. Go to the website, click on politics. Most of the items appearing are pro Republican, anti-Democratic.
When reading anything on internet, it is important to look at the source and make sure the source is unbiased.
Besides, he has been in the office for only eight months, in a four year term. Already he is tried, convicted, sentenced and executed?
September 12, 2009
9/12 protests set to explode across the country
Rick Moran
The first, broad based conservative protest movement in the nation's history will flex its muscles today in dozens of events around the country.
A huge turnout is expected in Washington D.C. How big will be anyone's guess but Democrats are warning of a crowd up to 2 million strong will march down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol Building:
A better question is who would have thought 6 months ago that a million conservatives would show up in Washington protesting Obama's statist policies?
Michael Phillips and Naftali Bendavid of the Wall Street Journal have more:
9/12 protests set to explode across the country
Rick Moran
The first, broad based conservative protest movement in the nation's history will flex its muscles today in dozens of events around the country.
A huge turnout is expected in Washington D.C. How big will be anyone's guess but Democrats are warning of a crowd up to 2 million strong will march down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol Building:
A top House Dem leadership aide has emailed a memo to Dem aides on the Hill and outside liberal groups warning they should brace for a turnout of up to two million people, suggesting Dems worry that if enough conservatives descend on the Mall it will amount to a major PR victory for the right.
The aide, Doug Thornell, warned in the memo that the dust-up over Joe "you lie" Wilson has been invigorating conservatives. "It looks like Saturday's event is going to be a huge gathering, estimates ranging from hundreds of thousands to 2 million people," Thornell wrote in the memo, which was forwarded by a source.
In another sign of concern, the memo painstakingly detailed a range of turnout predictions from the event's organizers, such as this one from tea party leaders promising a crowd of up to 1,000,000.
This memo, as reported by Greg Sargent, may be a little gamesmanship on the part of Democrats. Predicting 2 million protestors and then having around a million show up would be considered something of a PR victory for the Dems who could claim that the march "failed to meet expectations."The aide, Doug Thornell, warned in the memo that the dust-up over Joe "you lie" Wilson has been invigorating conservatives. "It looks like Saturday's event is going to be a huge gathering, estimates ranging from hundreds of thousands to 2 million people," Thornell wrote in the memo, which was forwarded by a source.
In another sign of concern, the memo painstakingly detailed a range of turnout predictions from the event's organizers, such as this one from tea party leaders promising a crowd of up to 1,000,000.
A better question is who would have thought 6 months ago that a million conservatives would show up in Washington protesting Obama's statist policies?
Michael Phillips and Naftali Bendavid of the Wall Street Journal have more:
While the movement has gotten considerable attention, it is unclear just how broad it is. Both conservatives and liberals Friday tried to manage expectations, hoping to claim a surprisingly high or low turnout after the event.
White House officials on Friday professed to know nothing of the planned demonstrations. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs queried reporters about the planners and their issues. "I don't know who the group is," he said with a shrug.
Other Democrats suggested the protesters are embittered, fringe conservatives fueled by radio and TV talk-show hosts. "There's a lot of energy, but it's negative energy," said Democratic strategist John Lapp. "At the end of the day, Republicans are left with bomb-throwing, screaming, frothing and a lot of opposition."
For their part, Republican leaders have been grappling with whether to embrace or distance themselves from the mounting protests. Most of Saturday's scheduled speakers are little-known activists. But Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) and Reps. Mike Pence (R., Ind.), Tom Price (R., Ga.) and Marsha Blackburn (R., Tenn.) will address the crowd, as will former Texas Rep. Dick Armey, now president of FreedomWorks, a Washington-based group advocating smaller government and lower taxes, which took the lead in organizing the event.
The 54 riders on the Tallahassee bus provide a window into the new conservative energy. On the road, they listened to reminiscences of President Ronald Reagan's life, including his battle against Soviet-style communism. It is a fight they say must now be waged at home, against an administration and Congress that is inserting government deeply in banking, car-making and, perhaps, health care.
White House officials on Friday professed to know nothing of the planned demonstrations. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs queried reporters about the planners and their issues. "I don't know who the group is," he said with a shrug.
Other Democrats suggested the protesters are embittered, fringe conservatives fueled by radio and TV talk-show hosts. "There's a lot of energy, but it's negative energy," said Democratic strategist John Lapp. "At the end of the day, Republicans are left with bomb-throwing, screaming, frothing and a lot of opposition."
For their part, Republican leaders have been grappling with whether to embrace or distance themselves from the mounting protests. Most of Saturday's scheduled speakers are little-known activists. But Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) and Reps. Mike Pence (R., Ind.), Tom Price (R., Ga.) and Marsha Blackburn (R., Tenn.) will address the crowd, as will former Texas Rep. Dick Armey, now president of FreedomWorks, a Washington-based group advocating smaller government and lower taxes, which took the lead in organizing the event.
The 54 riders on the Tallahassee bus provide a window into the new conservative energy. On the road, they listened to reminiscences of President Ronald Reagan's life, including his battle against Soviet-style communism. It is a fight they say must now be waged at home, against an administration and Congress that is inserting government deeply in banking, car-making and, perhaps, health care.
"Depends upon how one defines black, Durka. His father was black, his mother white. Now, in the old South, he would have been considered black. When they had strict segregation laws in the South, separate restrooms, lunch counters etc. you were considered black if you were 1/64th black.
But we would consider him mixed race. However, since he looks black, he could get away by identifying himself with blacks. If he had looked as white as McCain ( a definite possibility with black father and white mother), his claim of being clack would have strained credulity."
There is an excellent bet that all those so-called "BLACKS" who claim to be descendents of slaves are bi-racial, or more white than black.
But we would consider him mixed race. However, since he looks black, he could get away by identifying himself with blacks. If he had looked as white as McCain ( a definite possibility with black father and white mother), his claim of being clack would have strained credulity."
There is an excellent bet that all those so-called "BLACKS" who claim to be descendents of slaves are bi-racial, or more white than black.
SJP, I have pointed this out before but I will do it one more time.
In the first year the big picture and difficult agendas are formally presented, hashed over and agreed and acted upon.
Within the party ranks these agendas have usually pretty much been thrashed out and agreed upon before the election even takes place.
Basically its just showmanship and getting a public buy-in year.
In the second year the agendas are implemented in full, monitered, retuned,re-costed rejigged,repackaged and resold.
Any changes or additions are created agreed upon,funded and implemented.
House keeping stuff continues apace.
Budgeting is analyzed yet again.
Third year is the year of pork.
The troughs are filled.
Favours are returned.
Appointments made.
House-keeping goes into high gear.
Any unfinished business needs to be complete ASAP.
Fourth year is fundraising, election planning and general scheming.
No actual work is done.
A few favours are granted.
Just about everyone who watches politics understands the general flow of a post election administration.
Wars and disasters notwithstanding it generally flows more our less as I have outlined.
If and administration does not get its plan underway in the first six months or so it shows the lack of a plan altogether.
Obama is running out of time fast.
The Economist gives him just a few weeks to define himself as a leader.
The house is rapidly becoming the "de facto" presidency.
The 4 year term length has absolutely nothing to do with the political window of opportunity granted a new administration.
Trex
Om my god, they've taken to demonstrating (the activity they so often snub their noses to). What will they be chanting "What do we want..GLOBALIZATION...When do we want it ..NOW!!"
I don't think he's stupid either, but that doesn't make him a brain surgeon or Jesus Christ either. lol