Another Hypocrite Bites Dust!

[YukonJack]

"Yukon, I also told JLM that you were probably waiting to get your talking points from far right websites. So has Townhall commented on it, have they defended Sanford? Did they give you the talking points? I will have to look it up."

SirJosephPorter, you probably got your talking points from CNN. You also never told JLM anything of the sort you claim. Kind of careless with the truth? Kind of bluffing hoping no one will catch you in a lie??

Now, when did I defend the actions of Sanford??? Cite my post where I did.

As a man who is about to celebrate fortieth wedding aniversary without any matrimonial indiscretions, I would NEVER defend any adulterer, regardless of political stripe. I do not now, nor did I ever need anyone to tell me about marriage vows, and whatever Townhall might say about Sanford, I may or may not disagree with, but it certainly does not guide my views any more than CNN or CBC guides yours. So, step off the ladder of condescention and come back to reality.

 

[JLM]

Sir Joe - while we are on the topic read up on old Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. a very famous democrat who was also a bootlegger, ***** monger, money grubber and Nazi sympathizer, not to mention having his own daughter lobotomized to avoid public embarrassment.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

On giving it some serious thought, I think I've finally got it- Conservative are just hypocrites about the things that Liberals don't frown on.

You finally got it, JLM. Conservatives frown on things like abortion, homosexuality, adultery, contraception etc. So when a conservative gets an abortion, or is exposed to be gay (like Larry Craig) or is caught committing adultery (Ensign, Sanford), he is exposed as a hypocrite.

If a liberal does the same things, the charge of hypocrisy does not apply to him, since he does not frown upon things like abortion and homosexuality.

 

[JLM]

Sir Joe - while we are on the topic read up on old Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. a very famous democrat who was also a bootlegger, ***** monger, money grubber and Nazi sympathizer, not to mention having his own daughter lobotomized to avoid public embarrassment.

I guess this forum didn't like one word, hint- starts with a "wh" and ends with an "e" with an "or" in the middle. :lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sir Joe - while we are on the topic read up on old Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. a very famous democrat who was also a bootlegger, ***** monger, money grubber and Nazi sympathizer, not to mention having his own daughter lobotomized to avoid public embarrassment.

JLM, even if true (and I don’t know that it is true), who does that make him a hypocrite? Many people seem to confuse wrongdoing with hypocrisy, which is totally off the mark.

That is why they don’t understand why conservatives catch so much flak for committing adultery or engaging in homosexuality, but liberals don’t.

 

[YukonJack]

"If a liberal does the same things, the charge of hypocrisy does not apply to him, since he does not frown upon things like abortion and homosexuality."

Which means that liberals are morally bankrupt which comes to them naturally.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You also never told JLM anything of the sort you claim. Kind of careless with the truth? Kind of bluffing hoping no one will catch you in a lie??

Sure I did Yukon, in post #13. This is what it says.

He is probably lying low, getting his talking points from the discussion blogs on Townhall. He will be here to defend Sanford shortly, never fear.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The rest of your lame attempts to discredit my arguments are not worth a response.

I quite agree Yukon, there is no response to my arguments.

Once again, for one who sanctimoniously declared that you won't pay any attention to my posts, you seem to be quite sensitive about my posts.

And when did I declare that Yukon? Only in your imagination. I read all the posts and respond to those that I feel like responding.

 

[JLM]

JLM, even if true (and I don’t know that it is true), who does that make him a hypocrite? Many people seem to confuse wrongdoing with hypocrisy, which is totally off the mark.

That is why they don’t understand why conservatives catch so much flak for committing adultery or engaging in homosexuality, but liberals don’t.

"totally off the mark"?- I'll buy somewhat "off the mark". I think we have to assume that famous public figures in honourable professions try to conduct their lives in a moral and upstanding fashion. I don't think "wh**e mongering, bootlegging etc. quite make that category. Now I've always considered Nazis to be "right wing", so wouldn't you think that a Democrat sympathizing with Nazis to be a little hypocritical?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Now I've always considered Nazis to be "right wing", so wouldn't you think that a Democrat sympathizing with Nazis to be a little hypocritical?

Again, you don’t seem to understand what is meant by hypocrisy. In every party there is spectrum of views some of them left wing, some of them right wing. That means nothing.

Did he say that blacks should not be discriminated against, and then discriminated against his black employees?

Did he say that women deserve equal rights and then treated them as unequal?

Did he say that Jews deserve equal rights and then engage in anti-Semitic acts? These would be the effects of Nazism (anti-black, anti-woman, anti-Jew). Show me examples of that and I will agree that he was a hypocrite.

Don’t confuse immoral, even illegal, criminal behavior with hypocrisy. Thus, Hitler killed six million Jews, but he was not a hypocrite. He said he will kill Jews and he did.

 

[YukonJack]

"I quite agree Yukon, there is no response to my arguments."

Another typical SirJosephPorter spin.

I said that your arguments ARE NOT WORTH a response.

Take poll and find how many on these posts disagree with me.

 

[YukonJack]

"And when did I declare that Yukon? Only in your imagination. I read all the posts and respond to those that I feel like responding."

On several threads, in several posts. My time is more valuable than trying to track them down and present them here. I hope your integrity and honesty is more valuable than trying to deny it.

 

[YukonJack]

SirJosephPorter, please quote/cite the post by me, where I defended the matrimonial indiscretions of Mark sanford. Townhall or no Townhall.

May be an apology would be in order?

 

[TenPenny]

SJP - you are nuts. All of your arguments boil down to the idea that a liberal can never be a hypocrite, while a conservative must always be so.

So what do you call a Catholic minister of health who permits abortions?

 

[JLM]

SJP - you are nuts. All of your arguments boil down to the idea that a liberal can never be a hypocrite, while a conservative must always be so.

So what do you call a Catholic minister of health who permits abortions?

I think there is a bit of an irony here, hypocrisy is a foible found in pretty well all mortals. Wh*re mongering, bootlegging and killing 6 million Jews, S.J. seems to condone as long are they weren't (God forbid) being hypocritical.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter, please quote/cite the post by me, where I defended the matrimonial indiscretions of Mark sanford. Townhall or no Townhall.

May be an apology would be in order?

I never said you did, Yukon. I said you will, quite a different thing. Knowing your political proclivities, that was a reasonable assumption.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"And when did I declare that Yukon? Only in your imagination. I read all the posts and respond to those that I feel like responding."

On several threads, in several posts. My time is more valuable than trying to track them down and present them here. I hope your integrity and honesty is more valuable than trying to deny it.

Sorry Yukon, but I never said that, that is something you conjured up out of your imagination.

And you are right in not wasting time to find the posts and present them here, because such posts do not exist (except in your imagination).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think there is a bit of an irony here, hypocrisy is a foible found in pretty well all mortals. Wh*re mongering, bootlegging and killing 6 million Jews, S.J. seems to condone as long are they weren't (God forbid) being hypocritical.

I never said I condone them JLM, I did say that is criminal behaviour. But that is not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a crime, killing six million Jews is. A hypocrite does not pay for his hypocrisy by prison time (unless his behavior is illegal). He pays for hypocrisy by public shame and ridicule, most people cannot stand hypocrites.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP - you are nuts. All of your arguments boil down to the idea that a liberal can never be a hypocrite, while a conservative must always be so.

Sure a liberal can be a hypocrite, TenPenny, but not on the issue of abortion, gay rights, adultery etc. a liberal can be a hypocrite on the issues of racial discrimination, sexual discrimination, gun control etc.

I remember a few years ago a liberal journalist (I think it was Carl Rowan), a strong proponent of gun control was discovered to be the owner of a gun which did not have a legal permit. He was considered a hypocrite. A conservative in his place would not have been considered a hypocrite, since a conservative opposes any restriction on gun ownership.

But such instances are rare. A liberal cannot be a hypocrite on the issues where a conservative is a hypocrite. Abortion, adultery, gay rights these are issues of conservative hypocrisy.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So what do you call a Catholic minister of health who permits abortions?

I would call him a Catholic minister of Health who permits abortion. Where does hypocrisy come in? There are many Catholics who support abortion, there is no hypocrisy there.

A Catholic is no necessarily lock in step with the pope on every issue. In fact, the polls show that a majority of Catholics disagree with official Catholic teachings on abortion, contraception, gay rights etc. They don’t see any inconsistency between there views and their religion. Where does the hypocrisy come in?