Demjanjuk and Sobibor

CDNBear

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Your sources are ad hoc fabrications. You formulate nothing, it's canned ham. I have a view you have delusions.
But of course. That's why you have yet to punch even a pin hole in the documented facts I have posted, while I have dismantled, disemboweled and dismembered every single Op/Ed piece that was based on falsehoods, you have ever posted here.

So what say you? Care to actually provide some proof to debunk, refute or otherwise attempt to prove wrong anyone of my threads? Posts?

I've been waiting for a couple years now, to see something other then just insults, immature name calling and childish babbling from you. Something, anything, other then, would be a lovely sign of life from you.
 

darkbeaver

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But of course. That's why you have yet to punch even a pin hole in the documented facts I have posted, while I have dismantled, disemboweled and dismembered every single Op/Ed piece that was based on falsehoods, you have ever posted here.

So what say you? Care to actually provide some proof to debunk, refute or otherwise attempt to prove wrong anyone of my threads? Posts?

I've been waiting for a couple years now, to see something other then just insults, immature name calling and childish babbling from you. Something, anything, other then, would be a lovely sign of life from you.

You just imagine you did all that bear. In reality none of that happened. That's what delusion means. Are you still allowed to drive?
 

CDNBear

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You just imagine you did all that bear. In reality none of that happened. That's what delusion means. Are you still allowed to drive?
Of course, no evidentiary proof, just more idiot and childish behavior.

Have you ever been able to pass the test to acquire a license DB? ;-)

I remember my test requiring the ability to read and write, with knowledge of laws and policy.

That would almost certainly exclude you from the ability to do so.
 

CDNBear

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Of course, no evidentiary proof.
Isn't that what you wanted?

That's your typical MO. Hell, it's your only MO, with nothing but opinion to back up your assertions and delusions.

I am glad you were able to use something I wrote. I hope you understand the big words like "of" and "no". The others must be well beyond your abilities of comprehension. Like research and critical thought.
 
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darkbeaver

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Makow quotes from the 1938 interrogation of C. G. Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolshevism and a Trotsky intimate. Rakovsky was tried in show trials in the USSR under Stalin. According to Rakovsky, Hitler was at first funded by the international bankers, through the bankers’ agent Hjalmar Schacht. The bankers financed Hitler in order to control Stalin, who had usurped power from their agent Trotsky. Then Hitler became an even bigger threat than Stalin when Hitler started printing his own money. (Stalin came to power in 1922, which was eleven years before Hitler came to power.)
Rakovsky said:
“Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?” (Henry Makow, “Hitler Did Not Want War,” March 21, 2004).
Economist Henry C K Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:
The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).
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Hitlers first crime was controling the money which crossed the international bankers.
 

darkbeaver

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Statement by Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus
University of Ulster, December 5, 2005:
“I’ve checked out Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct - not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ’six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War total 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ’six million’ Jewish victims of the war.”
 

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Pinhas Epstein, Eliahu Rosenberg, Yossef Czarny and Gustav Boraks. All the witnesses stated that the man who was Ivan the Terrible, at Treblinka now stood before them, on trial for his life, but now forty-five years after those dark and terrible days in Treblinka, could they be totally sure?
Convicted on lies--April 25, 1988: Demjanjuk sentenced to death after being found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

In light of evidence submitted that Ivan the Terrible at Treblinka, was another Ukrainian guard called Ivan Marchenko, his appeal was successful and his conviction overturned by the highest court in Israel during 1993 and he was allowed to return to the United States of America after 5 years in an Israeli prison.
And rightly so, after evidence provided reasonable doubt, this should have ended there and then.

Quote: I guess the Holocaust survivors made a mistake


Your reply, " As is bound to happen with time.", Bear . Four Holocaust survivors definately identify a man as Ivan the Terrible. On that evidence the man is sentenced to death by Hanging and your comment is --WOW
They lied the minute they stated that he was Ivan-but you don't understand that??​


 
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einmensch

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WHERE DID THE JEWS GO???<

WHERE DID THEY GO??????????????

Who are these guys?

I was hoping you could tell me where they went.
so far they weren't where the Holocaust survivors said they were.

You provide some facts--
 
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I provided a bit of info about where they went. Down rivers and canals, buried under buildings, farm, and fields, etc.
But as I said, it doesn't matter how much evidence you provide to the faithful doubters, they ignore the evidence or simply deny it as evidence.
 

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I provided a bit of info about where they went. Down rivers and canals, buried under buildings, farm, and fields, etc.
But as I said, it doesn't matter how much evidence you provide to the faithful doubters, they ignore the evidence or simply deny it as evidence.

You haven't provided any evidence Gilbert-just worthless quack-
where are these farms, buildings fields? --
 

darkbeaver

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I provided a bit of info about where they went. Down rivers and canals, buried under buildings, farm, and fields, etc.
But as I said, it doesn't matter how much evidence you provide to the faithful doubters, they ignore the evidence or simply deny it as evidence.

Then you would no doubt support an complete and independent investigation of the entire period from 1900 untill the present to silence the doubters once and for all.
 

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Elie Wiesel survived the camps with his father. Just before the Russian Army arrived to liberate Auschwitz, Elie and his father decided to go with the Nazi guards to Buchenwald.
In 1956 When Wiesel wrote his first version of Night in Yiddish he didn't mention gas chambers. He next published the La Nuit in French in 1958 but he didn't mention gas chambers. In 1960 he released the same book in English, but he didn't mention gas chambers. After nearly twenty years and three versions of Night, gas chambers were mentioned in Elie Wiesel's 1962 German edition through a mistranslation of "crematoria" as Gaskammern.

Time Magazine, March 18 1985:
‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? "I will never know" he says. "I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?"
Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:
"In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions."

Elie Wiesel Stole Book & Identity Says Survivor

March 13, 2009

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Nikolaus Gruner, 81, says Elie Wiesel's book "Night" is " 87% a word-for-word plagiarism" of a Yiddish book by Gruner's friend Lazar Wiesel published in Paris in 1956 entitled "... Un di velt hot geshvign," ("The Silence of the World.")

In 1944, Lazar Wiesel, 31, befriended the 15-year- old Gruner in Auschwitz and saved his life more than once. Gruner is in the bottom left-hand corner of the famous Buchenwald photo. Now Gruner is outing Elie Wiesel who he claims stole his friend's identity and work.

"What have they done to my friend Lazar?" Gruner asks. "I want to say kaddish. Where is his grave? Only this man knows. "

Elie Wiesel claims to have authored "Un di velt hot geshvign," in Yiddish and published it in Buenos Aires in Dec. 1955. In 1958 he published a French edition paring the original down from 800 pages. In the Preface to a new edition, Wiesel confessed he had been able "to correct and revise a number of important details." In the first English translation he is said to be "almost fifteen," while in the new edition he is fifteen when he arrived at Auschwitz.

One French professor has remarked that "La Nuit" is totally different from anything else that Elie Wiesel has written" and speculates that Francois Mauriac wrote it.

Gruner has deposited copies of Lazar Wiesel's book in various archives. He says Elie Wiesel and his backers inserted atheist propaganda into the original: The idea that God has turned his back on the world and does not exist. "They used it to destroy the Jewish faith in God."

 
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