Racism and bullying in Ontario School

TenPenny

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Amazing story from today's Globe and Mail:
Black belt teen strikes back at bully, and rallies community against racism


JOE FRIESEN
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
April 30, 2009 at 4:21 AM EDT

KESWICK, ONT. — The 15-year-old black belt thought he was doing his tormentor a favour when he elected to fight back with his weaker left hand.
He had heard his white classmate throw an angry racial slur in his direction after an argument during a gym class game of speedball, and now the student was shoving him backward, refusing to retract the smear.
The white student swung first, hitting the 15-year-old with a punch to the mouth.
The 15-year-old heard his father's voice running through his head: Fight only as a last resort, only in self-defence, only if given no choice, and only with the left hand.
His swing was short and compact, a left-handed dart that hit the white student square on the nose.
The nose broke under his fist, igniting a sequence of events - from arrest to suspension to possible expulsion - that has left the Asian student and his family wondering whether they are welcome in this small, rural and mostly white community north of Toronto, one that has been touched by anti-Asian attacks in the past.
The 15-year-old, the only person charged in connection with the April 21 school fight, faces one count of assault causing bodily harm.
But a remarkable thing happened this week.
On Monday, 400 of his fellow students, wearing black in solidarity and carrying signs of support, walked out of Keswick High School to rally in protest in front of their school.
Organizer Mathew Winch, a Grade 12 student, said the school has fewer than 10 Asian students, but everyone wanted to stand up against bullying and racism. The story even hit the front page of local newspapers.
After the public outcry, the York Regional Police hate crimes unit reopened the case. Although the other student has not been charged, further charges are possible, a spokesman said yesterday.
The case is particularly sensitive because of a series of attacks on Asian fishermen in the same area in 2007 - given the name "nipper tipping" by locals - which led to a high-profile investigation by the Ontario Human Rights Commission.
Five such cases in 2007, ranging from violent car chases to fishermen on piers being pushed into the water, led to criminal charges. As a result of the publicity, many other Asian anglers came forward to say they had been abused or harassed while fishing in the Lake Simcoe area.
The Asian boy's father is a martial-arts master who trained with the Korean national team. He brought his family to Canada in 2004.
They settled in Keswick in 2006, and his son, who is still learning English, has studied hard to become a top student.
He proudly showed off a report card with a 90-per-cent average. The boy has struggled a little socially, his parents said, which makes the outpouring of support from his classmates all the more remarkable.
"It's the first time in my life I ever fought someone. I've been trained not to attack. It's total self-defence," the boy said. "I felt sorry because I broke his nose, but I can say he deserved it because he called me the racial comment. He started the fight, he punched me first."
He said the boy called him a "****ing Chinese," a comment he instantly knew was far from a joke.
"It's upsetting," he said. "I don't know how better to tell it."
For the moment, both students are suspended from Keswick High School, but the Asian student's parents have been told he could be expelled and forced to find a new school.
They are shocked and saddened by the ordeal.
The day after the fight, an older cousin of their son's antagonist approached him in the school cafeteria and uttered a similar slur, compounding their sense of despair.
"He said, 'You punched my cousin you Chinese ****,' " the 15-year-old said. That student was overheard by a teacher and suspended.
His father explains that the easiest course would be to move somewhere else and get a fresh start for his son. But he can't do it.
"I don't want to run away. If another Asian kid comes to this school, what happens to him? Will he run into problems? Will they think they can just kick him out? I don't want to set that example," he said.
"Personally, for my kid, I should move. But as a Canadian I cannot move."
 

gerryh

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It was self defence. It should be the other kid getting his a$$ suspended and expelled.
 

wulfie68

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I don't necessarily have a problem with both kids getting a suspension to teach the lesson that fighting in school is wrong with no caveats and other ways have to be found. However if there is an expulsion it should be the white kid who started it, not the Asian kid who finished it... Ultimately I place a lot of blame on the white kid's parents, especially the father for being a stupid P.O.S. : if he's white, his forbearers had to come from some place else at one point too.
 

lone wolf

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you guys see the video of that asian kid beating up that black kid in the subway after the black kid made fun of him?

wheres chuck norris!!

That's part of the problem.... Kids watch it on TV, hear it on the news, play it in video games ... but smack out someone who deserves a smack and they're treated the same as someone who sat on a Greyhound and did nothing. No wonder they're so messed up
 

gerryh

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I don't necessarily have a problem with both kids getting a suspension to teach the lesson that fighting in school is wrong with no caveats and other ways have to be found. However if there is an expulsion it should be the white kid who started it, not the Asian kid who finished it... Ultimately I place a lot of blame on the white kid's parents, especially the father for being a stupid P.O.S. : if he's white, his forbearers had to come from some place else at one point too.


what "other ways"?
 

wulfie68

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Flight, discussion, even appealing to higher authority (i.e. teachers/principal) for justice. The lesson should be violent self defense is an extreme measure only to be taken as a last resort. Its a difficult situation here, in that the Asian kid was responding to aggression but at the same time this didn't just pop up out of no where or happen in a vacuum, which means that there was some opportunity to take action, even if the kid didn't recognize it himself and that is part of the lesson here. Most schools should and do have a no tolerance policy for brawling and the only real defense should be if the school staff was informed and refused to act, thus leaving the kid with no other recourse (which I realize is not unheard of and some staff should be fired, if that is the case).

I'll also say that if it was my kid, I would back him on this and probably be pissed off at the whole thing. To me the ultimate blame in this whole thing, as I said, rests squarely on the parents of the racist wannabe bully: kids don't pick that shyte up on their own and even if it doesn't start at home, the symptoms will show up and its their job to step on it and educate the kid about how wrong it is.
 

TenPenny

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The lesson should be violent self defense is an extreme measure only to be taken as a last resort.

And if you read the article, that's exactly what the Asian kid was taught. Physical force as a last resort, and even then, use your weaker arm. But when you're being backed into a corner and punched in the mouth, there's not a lot of time to hit the pause button and go find a teacher.

My daughter, who was easily the smallest in her kindergarten class, was picked up against her will, and carried around the school yard by a kid one year older and considerably larger. After looking for a teacher, she punched the kid on the head. And got a warning letter. But as I pointed out to her teacher, rules or not, if I picked the teacher up and carried her around the classroom, I daresay she would have punched me, too.

Lesson of the day: there are rules for the schoolyard, and rules for real life. They're not always the same.
 

Ron in Regina

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Back when my Son was in Grade 3, he had a Bully that harassed him
for several months. The Playground Supervisors where aware of this, for
months, and yet I was not.

I only found out about this when my Son fought back and beat the
living bejebus out'a this Bully (who was in Grade 6) and the Playground
Supervisor had to pull my Son off of his Bully. I was only notified so that
I "could arrange anger management counceling," according to the Principal
of the school. Sometimes a child contacting their teachers or the school's
staff doesn't accomplish much. They can try it, but they can't count on it.
________________________
P.S. The Bully elected to leave my Son alone after that. My Son never did go
for anger management counceling (but took training to become a Conflict
Resolution Manager on the playground), and within 3 years my Son was
physically larger than all of the students and staff in that school.
________________________
 
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gerryh

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Back when my Son was in Grade 3, he had a Bully that harassed him
for several months. The Playground Supervisors where aware of this, for
months, and yet I was not.

I only found out about this when my Son fought back and beat the
living bejebus out'a this Bully (who was in Grade 6) and the Playground
Supervisor had to pull my Son off of his Bully. I was only notified so that
I "could arrange anger management coulciling," according to the Principal
of the school. Sometimes a child contacting their teachers or the school's
staff doesn't accomplish much. They can try it, but they can't count on it.
________________________
P.S. The Bully elected to leave my Son alone after that. My Son never did go
for anger management coulciling (but took training to become a Conflict
Resolution Manager on the playground), and within 3 years my Son was
physically larger than all of the students and staff in that school.
________________________


My second youngest was picked on and beat for 2 years in junior high....numerous meetings with the pricipal all to no avail. The school could do NOTHING to stop these 2 boys from bullying my son in the and out of the school. near the end of the second year I informed the principal that if something was not done REAL soon, then I would be giving my son his head to take care of the problem himself ( up to this point the rule has always been, you don't fight...period.)

Begining of grade 9, the 2 boys came at him again.... he had had enough and laid them both out.... was suspended for 3 days for fighting and they were talking about a review....."I" informed them that there would be no review unless it was to review the obvious school policy of allowing bullys full riegn since we had been complaining about these 2 for 2 years..... they backed off and my son didn't have a problem with bully's the rest of hid highschool days...... in fact he ended up with quite a rep since these 2 were NOT small kids.