The Improbability of God
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LOL, not really, perhaps you should read Re:16 to see what kind of treatment the non-believers get. The OT was just the warm-up for the Day of the Lord. One sword, one swish, where did all the scary men go. LOL
Lets see, idol worship, hey you lucked out no sword coming for you. Actually Angels are going to even come to your place to get you, unfortunately Scripture says those ones (idol worshipers)are either headed for the wine-press or the feast for the beast of the field. I think the people are dead before the gnawing actually starts although I don't have a verse that specifically says so. I hope you get a big meat eater, those birds pecking at you can take so long before they get to the heart of the matter.
Now somebody like Spade could avoid the blood and use prayer and the results would be the same as what the blood was intended to do. How much easier is that also.
Interesting that some members hate God, or dismiss Him as being a figment yet absolutely love the ones who claim to be His people even though in His book He repeatedly had to chastise them for not being able to follow some rather basic instructions. Killing innocents being right at the top of the list of things not to do.
3,000 years and they still don't understand that one. The good news is Christians, once they get into a group of more than 10, are just a stupid, just not as stupid as long as the Jews.
I have a couple items that reach further than swords. They make scary people go away, too.
.... or not. I have a faerie friend that can make them all disappear *POOF*.
Easier maybe. Not nearly as entertaining, though.
.... even though said creature can't even stick to its own rules. Yeah, it is interesting.
Isn't G W Bush a Christian? I betcha his pastor or whatever he has says he is.
Mhz,
I knew a guy back in the eighties who read Sitchin’s 12th Planet and figured he knew what god expected of us but no one else knew. So he figured when this paranoid space alien from the 12th Planet returned in the near future, he would be chosen by this "god" to repopulate the Earth. So he decided to marry six vestal virgins for the privilege of continuing the human race through his seed.
In order to do this, he would travel to Asia to find his harem. He could not do it here because it is taboo to sell one’s minor daughter for a ghetto blaster to a dirty old man (he was 50 at the time). He did manage to marry a few young girls over there and he even managed to get a couple into Canada. All the women who knew him hated him for his chauvinist leanings.
He had this idea that in the eyes of god, only women could commit adultery so he was safe with a harem. He bought some land and started to built his little empire designed to please god to no end.
Anyway, I lost track of him when I moved down to the Kootenays from Quesnel in 1987. The point of this story is that you remind my of him. You are so sure you know what god expects of you and the rest of us are out to lunch and headed for eternal damnation. In other words - delusional.
I knew a guy back in the eighties who read Sitchin’s 12th Planet and figured he knew what god expected of us but no one else knew. So he figured when this paranoid space alien from the 12th Planet returned in the near future, he would be chosen by this "god" to repopulate the Earth. So he decided to marry six vestal virgins for the privilege of continuing the human race through his seed.
In order to do this, he would travel to Asia to find his harem. He could not do it here because it is taboo to sell one’s minor daughter for a ghetto blaster to a dirty old man (he was 50 at the time). He did manage to marry a few young girls over there and he even managed to get a couple into Canada. All the women who knew him hated him for his chauvinist leanings.
He had this idea that in the eyes of god, only women could commit adultery so he was safe with a harem. He bought some land and started to built his little empire designed to please god to no end.
Anyway, I lost track of him when I moved down to the Kootenays from Quesnel in 1987. The point of this story is that you remind my of him. You are so sure you know what god expects of you and the rest of us are out to lunch and headed for eternal damnation. In other words - delusional.
We have our own religious wacko here, too, by the name of Blackmore. They all think they are each the penultimate in being able to interpret their gods' words.
Oooops! Don't know how that double posted. Maybe a mod can delete one.
Wackos!! Is Michael Jackson on here?
Wackos!! Is Michael Jackson on here?
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Well Cliffy some verses don't even need any explanation, they mean just what they say. You obviously don't know what I believe even though I have stated it several times. Eternal damnation is for fallen angels, men go to hell for 1,000 years, that isn't so hard to grasp, I even gave you the reference verses sometime back. You don't believe me (that's okay, even I check up on what is thrown my way) You don't believe God via the verses I gave you to read (obviously). You believe only what you have managed to come up with. Who is the delusional one? I can at least provide a verse for my stance, you summarize with no references and you get it wrong. That last part doesn't matter if you believe God is real or not. That is strictly a read, think, summarize thing. That in no means you should understand it all on the first read, it may take 20 or more reads before it clicks. Spades thing about the lamb's blood wasn't a condemnation to hell, it was showing that some customs are no longer respected by God and if practiced the results will be the opposite from what is desired. Go ahesd and convince yourself having (religious) idols won't mean anything at one point in time. Go ahead and convince yourself that you control your destiny after you hit the grave. Religion (Christianity in particular)on this board is a joke at best, the religious threads are started by people who are out to put any/all religions down. More properly if you believe in Christ your are a stupid idiotic moron, at best. In situations like that where they post something in the 'humerous' catagory why not let me hhave a laugh by posting a verse that says their 'route' has consequences (in Scripture) that they may not have considered. If the blood obove the door was meant to bring a laugh it worked, I laughed, mission accomplished. If the words in the verse didn't make Spade (or you or anybody) laugh that's too bad but so what. Why are you even on any thread that has God, or Christian, or other words that would define the topic as being religious to some extent? I got your outlook on the 1st thread I saw you on.
So how many people is 'Blackmore' anyway? "Blackmore. They all think they are each"
One of the saddest things I ever saw was two pre-tribbers on a thread about the 'pre-trib' itself start talking. It went about 6 post and there they were both had basically said 'yep' and that was it, dead silence. I let a whole day go by before I posted anything opposing the sacred (to some) belief. Even though I was against them they were happy to have my comments (challenge) for a couple of posts. Let the tread wander abit and 20 pages in common. (obviously there would be some repeating done)
Start one on the Trinity and 'heritic' usually pops up at least one and that's just on the 1st page. So really I don't think you have a clue as to what a Christian thread covers. I've never seen one on this board yet.
Why are you even on any thread that has God, or Christian, or other words that would define the topic as being religious to some extent? I got your outlook on the 1st thread I saw you on.
Mhz,
I spent forty years studying religions, spirituality and philosophies. I was particularly interested in the bible, not just the content, but the who, where, when and why of its making - in other words, its history. To take this collection of myths and metaphors as the literal truth is just plain silly. Not only is most of it plagiarized from a variety of ancient cultures, it was never edited for contradictions and outright fabrication. There is no consistency and the story rambles all over the place with no seeming purpose other than to control the gullible.
I find it sad that so many people believe in such gobbley goop when life was given to us to experience, not prepare for a make believe after life. I am not denying the existence of god but I at least give it credit for being intelligent enough to be disinterested in our petty thoughts and beliefs.
Mhz,
I spent forty years studying religions, spirituality and philosophies. I was particularly interested in the bible, not just the content, but the who, where, when and why of its making - in other words, its history. To take this collection of myths and metaphors as the literal truth is just plain silly. Not only is most of it plagiarized from a variety of ancient cultures, it was never edited for contradictions and outright fabrication. There is no consistency and the story rambles all over the place with no seeming purpose other than to control the gullible.
I find it sad that so many people believe in such gobbley goop when life was given to us to experience, not prepare for a make believe after life. I am not denying the existence of god but I at least give it credit for being intelligent enough to be disinterested in our petty thoughts and beliefs.
There are lots of Blackmores running around. And theu each think they have the handle on the words and intentions of your faerie.
Anyway, Those should have been separate paragraphs. "They" meaning people like Blackmore and others who say they know the "word of god" and what it means. But, I don't really think you want to get into the petty business of grammatical, spelling, etc. errors, do you, Mr. Pot?
Speaking of what things mean, what is "pretribber"?
As far as what "Christian" means is concerned, outside of the basic "folower of Christ", the definition is up for grabs.
BTW, I don't think you have any idea of what I think nor do I think you are any authority in what constitutes "Christian" any more than any other Joe Lunchbucket off the street.
Anyway, Those should have been separate paragraphs. "They" meaning people like Blackmore and others who say they know the "word of god" and what it means. But, I don't really think you want to get into the petty business of grammatical, spelling, etc. errors, do you, Mr. Pot?
Speaking of what things mean, what is "pretribber"?
As far as what "Christian" means is concerned, outside of the basic "folower of Christ", the definition is up for grabs.
BTW, I don't think you have any idea of what I think nor do I think you are any authority in what constitutes "Christian" any more than any other Joe Lunchbucket off the street.
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Really, I could probably count the religious here on two hands, Christians might be less than 5.
Pretrib is the belief that a group is taken out of harms way before Satan starts his final days. They also tend to believe (not all do I hope) that they come back with Christ and He has given them the task to kill all that remain alive. You would have to have some understanding of the actual verses they use to see how far off the mark they really are. A quick argument would be why are they taken out of harms way and then thrust into the middle of a war. The 2nd quick argument is that when leaving Earth they would be in time for the last part of the war in Heaven that boots Satan out for the last time, that would be 100's of time more violent that what happens on earth.
Christian means somebody living as close to the two given Laws as possible. There is no gray area, outside of that conduct your become a false Christian which carries a heavier penalty than not being a believer, so count yourself lucky.
The differences between child of light and a child of the darkness is about one page long to put the basics quite clear. The nitty-gritty of how that comes about is some pages longer. What good is that info going to do you. If you don't think the verses apply post ones that shows something different. If you reject all verses that is something you and God can settle between yourselves.
Was the bolded letters to make me sit up straighter? lol. So what, you tried to read it and it didn't click. I could give you other material that would most likely be even more confusing. You couldn't grasp it's story so it must be in error, how arrogant is that?
All those things that turned you off I should have also run into, so why do I believe even more as time goes on.(reading and understanding) Don't assume I don't ask a lot of questions about the verses I read and that I just agree with everything just because it's Scripture. You just quit before the answers started coming in, too bad, oh well, but so what really. Hopefully you got the part that needing proof is not a sin nor will a person be punished for not having something they have never been offered. (more than written words). If you have read this verse below you should know that you cannot be cast away by Christ until you cast Him away. You can only do that after you actually meet Him, that is what seeing and believing is. Did you already know that or was it hidden in with the rest of the gobbley goop?
Joh:6:40:
And this is the will of him that sent me,
that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
The only way to prepare for the next life is to not fear the death of this one. In theory if you treat all other according to the two laws not many people will kill you for it. That might help a person live a long peaceful life but these days that might also mean you get killed because somebody made being a Christian a bad thing.
You say it was copied from other stories, well where are those other true Gods, I don't see anybody around do you? Which is the real deal, the first one to come or the one left standing if they have any battles amongst themselves
Ah, I've seen such wars in Marvel's "Dr.Strange", "Silver Surfer", "Thor", et al comics. I thought they were pretty entertaining when I was a child.
Why? Atheists have no mythical penalties. Sensible ones don't put much faith in luck, either.
Which god?
I'm not interested in verses, particularly if they assume as fact that which has no factual basis. I'm interested in discussion.
oooo Look at all the ASSumptions.
Yes, you said before that you questioned stuff.
Actually I quit accepting self-justifying rhetoric as "proof" of anything.
Got that, but it's moot, anyway. The Jew with the Puerto Rican name's been dead for a while now.
Yeah, read that a few times in my history.
I don't see one "true" god around let alone others. This god of yours certainly wasn't the first to come along. People invented gods long before yours. The ancient Egyptian gods have been around since about 3000 BC, the Celts had gods since about 1300 BC, Naama dates back to about 4000 BC, the oldest known one in the Americas goes back to about 2200 BC, etc. Your god pops into the books when? 2300 years ago? We're just supposed to ASSume various people's sayso as fact that it created everything.
I can't see spending time preparing for something that is so improbable as to be nonexistent.
Is God improbable ? You talk a great deal about God,your books are full of it, you build churches and temples, you perform ceremonies. This pursuit of God indicates the shallowness of the search. Though you repeat the word God, your acts are not godly, are they? Though you worship God, your ways are ungodly. Though you mention God, you exploit others; and the richer you get, the more churchers you build. So, you are only familiar with the word God. But, the word is not God, God isn't a word.I think that that is obvious that to find the real, all the verbal utterances of the mind must cease.What I,m saying is that the image of reality must cease for reality to be. For reality to be, the image and the temple must cease. For the being of the unknown, the mind must put aside its content, the known. To pursue God you must know God. To know what you are pursuing is not to know God. The response which urges you to pursue is born of memory, so what you seek is already created and that which is created is not eternal, it is a product of the mind.
A man in sorrow cannot find reality. He must be free from sorrow to find it.Obviously that which is the unknown cannot be thought about. What you think about is already the known. You can think only of the known. Thought moves from the known to the known, from the secure to the secure, but what is known is not the real.
So when you think about God, you think about what is known, and the known is in the net of time. The real can only come into being when the mind ceases to create, when the mind is still. This stillness is not a product of compulsion, discipline, or self-hypnosis. There is silence only when all problems have ceased, .And the mind becomes quiet when the agitator, the thinker, ceases. For the thinker to come to an end, all thoughts which he manufactures must be thought out. It is vain to erect a barrier against thought. Every thought must be felt out and understood. When the mind is still, the reality, the indescribable, comes into being. You cannot invite it. To invite it is to know it, and what is known is not the real. The mind must be simple, unburdened of ideas and belief. For reality to come into being, do not seek it, but understand the causes that agitate the mind and heart. When the creator of problems ceases, then there is tranquillity. In that tranquillity, the blessing of the real comes and all is.
Don't believe it ,.................inquire .
A man in sorrow cannot find reality. He must be free from sorrow to find it.Obviously that which is the unknown cannot be thought about. What you think about is already the known. You can think only of the known. Thought moves from the known to the known, from the secure to the secure, but what is known is not the real.
So when you think about God, you think about what is known, and the known is in the net of time. The real can only come into being when the mind ceases to create, when the mind is still. This stillness is not a product of compulsion, discipline, or self-hypnosis. There is silence only when all problems have ceased, .And the mind becomes quiet when the agitator, the thinker, ceases. For the thinker to come to an end, all thoughts which he manufactures must be thought out. It is vain to erect a barrier against thought. Every thought must be felt out and understood. When the mind is still, the reality, the indescribable, comes into being. You cannot invite it. To invite it is to know it, and what is known is not the real. The mind must be simple, unburdened of ideas and belief. For reality to come into being, do not seek it, but understand the causes that agitate the mind and heart. When the creator of problems ceases, then there is tranquillity. In that tranquillity, the blessing of the real comes and all is.
Don't believe it ,.................inquire .
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The above only seems to address the spiritual aspect, what about the defense against a Satanic being that is right in front and about to take your life. I'm quite sure when 1/3 of man is said to die within a certain time that it is a physical event that is being described.
The points you brought up would seem to be more geared to our inner demons/temptations/dark desires/etc. and how we can overcome them.
The points you brought up would seem to be more geared to our inner demons/temptations/dark desires/etc. and how we can overcome them.
The points that I have brought up are "geard" to what I am aware of.
The inner deamons/temptation/dark desires/etc., this is a world you are aware of. I would suggest that you observe your process of thinking .
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I was once sent a book called Satan is Alive and doing Well on Planet Earth. I sent it back and said Satan is Alive and doing well in Christianity. Things exist first in the mind. If you believe something is real, then it can manifest in your reality. People have been found dead with contorted looks of horror on their faces but there is no sign of anything physical having been present.
Demons and devils exist only for those who believe in them. They don't exist in the reality of those who don't give them any thought. The bible and Koran are full of horrible nasty stuff that has happened or that will happen to anybody who doesn't believe in those books. All I can feel is sorry for those poor souls who need to be terrified in order to be decent human beings.
Demons and devils exist only for those who believe in them. They don't exist in the reality of those who don't give them any thought. The bible and Koran are full of horrible nasty stuff that has happened or that will happen to anybody who doesn't believe in those books. All I can feel is sorry for those poor souls who need to be terrified in order to be decent human beings.