But who is doing the remembering? Who is experiencing? Are we real or just figments of our or the Universe's imagination? Reality, like truth is only in the eye of the beholder. Even in a rock, there is almost no matter, just vast regions of space inter dispersed with protons and electrons that we still haven't determined are solid.
The Improbability of God
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3 Reason why God is an atheist.
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Of course God is an Atheist, Petros. The second reason you give alone is enough. God does not believe in a higher power, there is no higher power than God. God has to be an Atheist, or he won’t be God (there will be somebody more powerful than him).
So at least in this, I am in agreement with God, we are both Atheists.
You are , the self created image ,your EGO , thought,fears , emotions ... .Are they real ? well ,you will fight to death to protect them .
Who ,were is the beholder who told you that .
Why do yo say that ?....rock has weight and occupies space .
The quantum physics ( I think) tells us that everyting is in the state of vibration
Well, as I said once before, every time I try to come to grips with your rebarbative attempts at philosophizing, I find them either incomprehensible or just plain wrong. Even if I granted your premises (which I don't), I don't see the logic of your argument. "We are thought" is a pretty sweeping premise that seems false to me. There seems to be a good deal more than just thought involved in me being who I am. And your conclusion, which I've seen you offer before, that we are of the past and all thought is of the past, seems self-evidently false to me even absent your argument. I can, and frequently do, have thoughts about the future, in terms of making plans and preparing for unexpected contingencies, and I'm sure you do too. I just can't make any sensible connection between your philosophizing and any reality I understand.
Not that I'm presuming to speak for Cliffy, who's obviously capable of speaking for himself, it would seem self-evident that he said that because it's true. Most of the volume of any solid object is empty space, the subatomic particles that make it up occupy only a very tiny fraction of its volume. What makes it appear solid at the scale where our senses operate is electromagnetism.
Actually it's thermodynamics that tells us that. Quantum physics tells us that everything is almost not there.
But, even when you have the thought about the future, the thought you 'thunk',
is then in the past, I think, yup, I thunk it over, and that's it.
But when I'm thinking about it, it's in the present, not the past, and the thing I'm thinking about is in at least one possible future, which may or may not be realized. China seems to me, not yet in this thread but in others I've read, to be denying any possibility of original thought, and at least once he pretty much explicitly said that, which to me is so obviously so completely off the wall it's not even wrong, it's incoherent to me.
While you're thinking your thought, it is moving into the past, and immediately
becomes a memory, as new thoughts are pushing it there, time is moving on,and on and on.
Guess there is really no such saying in reality as, 'hold that thought'.
Agreed, but that clearly means there *is* such a thing as a new thought, which I think china would deny if I've understood him correctly. I won't give you any odds on that though. :smile:
But what influences your thoughts? Experience. And all experience, like thought, is in the process of becoming the past.
Have you ever tried to sit calmly and listen to the chatter in your mind? The trick is to not judge it or influence it but to just listen, watching as thoughts float by without hanging on to any or elaborating on the thought. What you will discover is that many, if not most, will be the words of someone else, a parent, friend, teacher, whoever. And if you pay close attention, you may even hear the voice of the other speaking those words.
I mean, we could go very deep into this but I think I will leave it there for now as it is late.
I think people would have to be brain dead not to have an original thought now and then. Obviously, no-one has experienced absolutely everything and yet we have ideas sometimes that we haven't thought of before. Those are original thoughts. Perhaps, what Dexter means is that China thinks that everything has been thought of by someone. Well that's just idiotic on China's part, if it's true. Otherwise we would not have new medicines and a bunch of other stuff we never had before.
As far as we being only thoughts, I have 1 word for this inane idea, NUTS!
As far as we being only thoughts, I have 1 word for this inane idea, NUTS!
Yup! Someone or something had to have an experience that influenced the thought. My question is: who?
Whoever.
Anyopne can notice stuff and get curious about why it happened.
IE: TIME 100: Alexander Fleming
or
WikiAnswers - Who invented Velcro
Some dood took a little strap and stuck each side of the strap to the outside of his nose. He found he could breath better.
And China came up with the silly idea that people are only thoughts. lol
Anyopne can notice stuff and get curious about why it happened.
IE: TIME 100: Alexander Fleming
or
WikiAnswers - Who invented Velcro
Some dood took a little strap and stuck each side of the strap to the outside of his nose. He found he could breath better.
And China came up with the silly idea that people are only thoughts. lol
L Gilbert
The thought is never in the NOW. That's the illusion ,investigate. If you look at a sunrise, there's no thought, only experiencing the now. As soon as you start thinking about it (it is so beautiful, etc.), you are out of the NOW. So thinking is always in the past.Because of that, there can be no new thoughts. A solution to a problem or discovery ,invention ,is never solved by thought,only by intuition.
How could the thinker be different from the thought? The thinker is invented by thought, so he doesn't exist. If you think there's a seperate thinker, you are fooling yourself. Hence the thinker is the thought.
The thought is never in the NOW. That's the illusion ,investigate. If you look at a sunrise, there's no thought, only experiencing the now. As soon as you start thinking about it (it is so beautiful, etc.), you are out of the NOW. So thinking is always in the past.Because of that, there can be no new thoughts. A solution to a problem or discovery ,invention ,is never solved by thought,only by intuition.
How could the thinker be different from the thought? The thinker is invented by thought, so he doesn't exist. If you think there's a seperate thinker, you are fooling yourself. Hence the thinker is the thought.
China that only works if you believe in linear time. Cyclical time is every bit a reality as linear time. It is like at the circus where a clown is standing upon a linear board while balancing on a cylinder. The only way to stay standing is to continually adjust the linear over the cyclical.
petros
About standing ....ha .
Glancing at your avatar prohibits me from asking or taking any advice from you.
About standing ....ha .