Earth Hour: Turn Off the Lights!

[pgs]

My consumption was up at least that amount.
I decided to celebrate our cheap clean green hydro electric power by
leaving my lights on all night.I wasn't even home to enjoy them as I was out at a
crowded noisy restaurant eating dead cow.
I figure I did my part keeping the economy flowing.

 

[RanchHand]

" However, it won’t do any harm. At best it will save some energy, at worst it is neutral."

Wrong. It's a PR disaster. More people who were neutral in their daily life and way of thinking with regards to enviromentalism are now less receptive to your enviormental activism, regardless of the merit of that activism. You Light Outites have become the PETA of the enviormental movement.

 

[TenPenny]

What a bunch of sheeple! Do you really think the power companies are going to shut down any capacity for 1 hour? They'll keep generating the stuff even if it doesn't get used. Besides, there'll be a surge in demand when all the fools turn their power back on.

Obviously, you know sweet **** all about power generation and the grid. It's fine to be opinionated, but when you're hopelessly uninformed, you just make yourself look like an idiot.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

" However, it won’t do any harm. At best it will save some energy, at worst it is neutral."

Wrong. It's a PR disaster. More people who were neutral in their daily life and way of thinking with regards to enviromentalism are now less receptive to your enviormental activism, regardless of the merit of that activism. You Light Outites have become the PETA of the enviormental movement.

[FONT=&quot]That is only your opinion, RanchHand. So, does that mean that you joined pgs in turning on all the lights in your house? You anti-environmentalists are an amusing bunch.[/FONT]

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It is indeed surprising how quickly the movement has caught up. In 2007, it started in Sydney, Australia, where 2.2 million people switched off the lights. I assume it must have received more exposure last year, though I did not hear about it last year.

But this year the movement went worldwide. Those who thought up the idea (in Sydney) should be justly proud of it. I assume next year it will be even more successful.

 

[RanchHand]

[FONT=&quot]That is only your opinion, RanchHand. So, does that mean that you joined pgs in turning on all the lights in your house? You anti-environmentalists are an amusing bunch.[/FONT]

Quoting RanchHand " However, it won’t do any harm. At best it will save some energy, at worst it is neutral."

Wrong. It's a PR disaster. More people who were neutral in their daily life and way of thinking with regards to enviromentalism are now less receptive to your enviormental activism, regardless of the merit of that activism. You Light Outites have become the PETA of the enviormental movement.

[FONT=&quot]That is only your opinion, RanchHand. So, does that mean that you joined pgs in turning on all the lights in your house? You anti-environmentalists are an amusing bunch.[/FONT]

My opinion? What makes your opinion any more valid than my opinion (and how many times have you heard that?). You declared the 25 watter the national light bulb of India earlier in this thread. Opinion? By your own admission of your trusted news sources, I have a more diverse source of information than you do. And I am not an anti-environmentalist. Other than cutting the power to your light bulbs on command, how do I know what kind of environmentalist your are?
Nearly everything you post is opinion. It is a rare post of yours that ever has a link to anything to substantiate what are, in essence, your rigid, narrow minded, preconceived views.

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[captain morgan]

Scientific consensus? Irrelevant. Albert Einstein, when told that 200 scientists had signed a statement opposing his theory of relativity said, "Two hundred? All it takes is one with evidence." Get it? Only evidence is relevant.

You're right that we couldn't give a damn about the amount of greenhouse gas we're producing. That's because it's harmless and actually is beneficial in that it increases plant growth.

Evidence of the claim of global warming is not relevant to many, especially those that seek to profit off the backs of the uninformed... There is no lack of those that will line-up at to state proclamations and demand that 'something' be done (while understanding the issue be damned).

It makes you wonder though, the multiple recent eruptions in Alaska likely kicked-out more CO2 and toxic emissions in a 1 month period than all of Canada in that same period (if not longer). Maybe Obama will include those emissions in his cap-and-trade? (snicker)

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Incidentally, in case anybody is wondering about anti-ecology enthusiasts like pgs or Earthfire (who celebrated earth hour by turning on every light in their house). They were following their spiritual leader, the far right US politician, Joseph Farah. He runs the far right website, worldnetdaily.

On his website, he called on his followers to celebrate earth hour by turning on every light in their house, and his followers like pgs and Earthfire promptly obliged. It is clear where the political inclinations of these people lie; they belong to the far right, even by American standards. Joseph Farah is considered way out on the lunatic right wing fringe (he is also very big in declaring Obama an illegal alien and throwing him out of the country or imprisoning him).

So anyway, I wanted people to be clear where the inclinations of people like pgs, or Earthfire lie, they are right wing extremists at heart. At least in this instance, they followed the advice of a right wing extreme nut.

So Earthfire, again, you will pardon me if I am skeptical about your claims of how ecology minded you are. If you indeed are the follower of Joseph Farah (and switched on every light in your house at his urgings), you are no friend of environment, no matter what you say. You are the worst kind of foe of environment.

Same goes for you too, pgs.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Other than cutting the power to your light bulbs on command, how do I know what kind of environmentalist your are?

RanchHand, and why is that relevant to anything? Here we are discussing earth hour, nothing more. Even if I told you what kind of environmentalist I am, how do you know that I am not lying?

As I said before, anybody can make any claim about themselves on internet; there is no way to verify that.

From what you have said so far, both the content and tone of what you have said you do not come across as an environmentalist to me, but as a strong anti-environmentalist (just my opinion, of course).

 

[#juan]

It makes you wonder though, the multiple recent eruptions in Alaska likely kicked-out more CO2 and toxic emissions in a 1 month period than all of Canada in that same period (if not longer).

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world's volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today's human endeavors.

Volcanoes are minor players in the production of greenhouse gasses.

 

[Cannuck]

Scientific consensus? Irrelevant. Albert Einstein, when told that 200 scientists had signed a statement opposing his theory of relativity said, "Two hundred? All it takes is one with evidence." Get it? Only evidence is relevant.

Unless it isn't about science and has more to do with politics. Many of those that firmly believe in man made global warming and its dire consequences...er...I mean climate change are nothing more than political animals. That is why they need to throw around labels like "deniers" instead of actually refuting any contrary science. A scientific mind is always open to the evidence whereas a political mind loves a sound bite.

Eminent physicist challenges consensus on climate change - International Herald Tribune

"Mr. Dyson agrees with the prevailing view that there are rapidly rising carbon-dioxide levels in the atmosphere caused by human activity. To the planet, he suggests, the rising carbon may well be an ultimately benign occurrence in what Mr. Dyson says is still "a relatively cool period in the earth's history." The warming, he says, is not global but local, "making cold places warmer rather than making hot places hotter." Far from expecting any drastic harmful consequences from these increased temperatures, he says the carbon may well be salubrious — a sign that "the climate is actually improving rather than getting worse," because carbon acts as an ideal fertilizer, promoting forest growth and crop yields. "Most of the evolution of life occurred on a planet substantially warmer than it is now," he contends, "and substantially richer in carbon dioxide.""


I don't know about you Extrafire but when a man of Dyson's impressive credentials has something to say, I am willing to listen but that's mainly because I'm more open-minded, logical, and scientifically minded than the likes of Juan and SJP. I'm not really interested in the official line of the LPC and the NDP.

 

[RanchHand]

Other than cutting the power to your light bulbs on command, how do I know what kind of environmentalist your are?

RanchHand, and why is that relevant to anything? ..........

I thought it was relevant because you had called me an anti-environmentalist just prior to that and I thought it was reasonable to question your commitment to the environment in turn, rather than to just call you a name. So you could say it's relevant in both content and in timing.

 

[Cannuck]

Aberta electricity consumption was down 3.5%.

Saskatoon was too busy chasing down violent criminals to participate. Afterall, it is the 9th most dangerous city in Earth.

Consumption is irrelevant. How much was production down?

 

[petros]

It wasn't about production or consumption. It was about awarness.

 

[Cannuck]

For instance, suppose I was opposed to earth hour, how would I put it? I would say to the supporters, look, I don’t see any point in it, I think it is nonsense. However, it won’t do any harm. At best it will save some energy, at worst it is neutral. So go ahead with your little project, good luck.

The earth hour isn't the issue. At issue is whether the Al Gores of the world are right or wrong. If they are wrong (and there is lots of scientific evidence that says they are), what are the political and economic ramifications of following their solutions to a non-existent problem? Global warming....er...climate change followers (and I use the term followers because of the quasi-religious nature of the movement)can do harm if they gain enough political clout and act based on their belief system and not on science. Trying to have an intelligent discussion about the science of glob...excuse me...climate change with most "believers" is like trying to have an intelligent discussion about the origins of life with eanassir

 

[Spade]

It wasn't about production or consumption. It was about awarness.

That's correct. Awareness is a requisite for reducing consumption and production in the future.

 

[Cannuck]

It wasn't about production or consumption. It was about awarness.

Nonsense. Anybody that isn't aware of this issue has a serious case of rectal cranial inversion. It is "about" making a political statement.

 

[Spade]

Nonsense. Anybody that isn't aware of this issue has a serious case of rectal cranial inversion. It is "about" making a political statement.

You're being introspective today!

 

[petros]

Nonsense. Anybody that isn't aware of this issue has a serious case of rectal cranial inversion. It is "about" making a political statement.

To who? Private industry that controls the govt? I'm sure private industry was happy to get their mitts on an extra 3.5% to export or consume. Good time to make repairs too.

 

[Cannuck]

You're being introspective today!

How so?