Excommunication for the mother of a 9 year old rape victim

Tyr

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Buddhism is NOT A religion of peace in practice. Christianity is a religion of peace too, right up until people start practicing it.

Buddhism has its own history of violent conquest and oppression. Usually boiling down to the belief that lower castes and the conquered deserved to suffer, otherwise why would they have been reincarnated into a life where you were going to torture them?

The great thing about circular logic is that it proves itself!

Buddhism has its own share of terror in the chapters of human history.

Buddhism like any religion has it's fringe elements that are prone to violent confrontation and acts of terror.

They must just be a fewer percentage of the overall faith vs. Islam or Christianity
 

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What I want to know is what toxin is causing little girls to become fertile at age 9? That to me is far bigger a sin or outrage than an abortion. Alive and suffering mutant humans is a bigger concern than any abortion yet no church is fighting with as much vigor to protect the living.

Beef, Chicken, pork, etc.. in most developed countries are fed steroids which causes an early onset of puberty
 

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Buddhism like any religion has it's fringe elements that are prone to violent confrontation and acts of terror.

They must just be a fewer percentage of the overall faith vs. Islam or Christianity

Quite right, Tyr, there are hotheads everywhere (yes, even among Atheists). However, I have not seen any Buddhist justify terrorism, Holy War, mayhem or killing, bombing of abortion clinics based upon his religion.

So yes, among the major religions, Buddhism is the most peaceful of all.
 
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Spade, of the instances you have given (or rather, BBC has given), only Sri Lanka stands up to scrutiny.

We know a Tamil couple from Sri Lanka (he is a psychiatrist, she is a neurologist). They tell me that in Sri Lanka the discrimination against Tamil minority is written into the law. Thus Tamils need more qualifications than Sinhalese to be admitted to Medical school, to be eligible for employment etc.

So it is not really Buddhists going to war against Hindus, it is just Sinhalese being jerks and discriminating against the Tamils.

It is more really discrimination based upon the language rather than the religion, in that even if a Tamil converts to Buddhism, he won’t be free from discrimination, and even if a Sinhalese converts to Hinduism, he still won’t be discriminated against.

Contrast this with Saudi Arabia or Egypt, where if a person converts from Christianity to Islam, his life will immediately change for the better. So here I will give you half a point, not a full point. It is not the Buddhists discriminating against Hindus, but Sinhalese (who are predominantly Buddhist) discriminating against Tamils (who are predominantly Hindu). This can’t be blamed on Buddhism, any more than Stalin’s atrocities can be blamed on Atheism (he was a Communist, not an Atheist).

In the 14th century Buddhist fighters led the uprising that evicted the Mongols from China

Mongols had no business being in China. So I don’t think there is anything wrong in Buddhists throwing the bums out of China. Buddhists are peaceful, they are not pacifists. Even a peaceful person may take up arms in self defense.

Same as the Buddhist monks were behind the uprising in Tibet against the Chinese government. They were responding to oppression, there is nothing wrong in fighting to oppose oppression.

In Japan, Buddhist monks trained Samurai warriors in meditation that made them better fighters

They were teaching medication, they were not fighting anybody.

In the twentieth century Japanese Zen masters wrote in support of Japan's wars of aggression. For example, Sawaki Kodo (1880–1965) wrote this in 1942:

There may well have been a few Buddhists who may be warlike (though I think most of the support for Japan’s wars of aggression came from the native religion of Shintoism and not Buddhism). You may find isolated instances of Buddhists promoting war, perhaps even unjust war. As I said before, there are hotheads everywhere.

However, I still stand by my opinion that of the major religions, Buddhism is by far the most peaceful of them all.
 

Tyr

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Spade, of the instances you have given (or rather, BBC has given), only Sri Lanka stands up to scrutiny.

We know a Tamil couple from Sri Lanka (he is a psychiatrist, she is a neurologist). They tell me that in Sri Lanka the discrimination against Tamil minority is written into the law. Thus Tamils need more qualifications than Sinhalese to be admitted to Medical school, to be eligible for employment etc.

So it is not really Buddhists going to war against Hindus, it is just Sinhalese being jerks and discriminating against the Tamils.

It is more really discrimination based upon the language rather than the religion, in that even if a Tamil converts to Buddhism, he won’t be free from discrimination, and even if a Sinhalese converts to Hinduism, he still won’t be discriminated against.

Contrast this with Saudi Arabia or Egypt, where if a person converts from Christianity to Islam, his life will immediately change for the better. So here I will give you half a point, not a full point. It is not the Buddhists discriminating against Hindus, but Sinhalese (who are predominantly Buddhist) discriminating against Tamils (who are predominantly Hindu). This can’t be blamed on Buddhism, any more than Stalin’s atrocities can be blamed on Atheism (he was a Communist, not an Atheist).

In the 14th century Buddhist fighters led the uprising that evicted the Mongols from China

Mongols had no busyness being in China. So I don’t think there is anything wrong in Buddhists throwing the bums out of China. Buddhists are peaceful, they are not pacifists. Even a peaceful person may take up arms in self defense.

Same as the Buddhist monks were behind the uprising in Tibet against the Chinese government. They were responding to oppression, there is nothing wrong in fighting to oppose oppression.

In Japan, Buddhist monks trained Samurai warriors in meditation that made them better fighters

They were teaching medication, they were not fighting anybody.

In the twentieth century Japanese Zen masters wrote in support of Japan's wars of aggression. For example, Sawaki Kodo (1880–1965) wrote this in 1942:

There may well have been a few Buddhists who may be warlike (though I think most of the support for Japan’s wars of aggression came from the native religion of Shintoism and not Buddhism). You may find isolated instances of Buddhists promoting war, perhaps even unjust war. As I said before, there are hotheads everywhere.

However, I still stand by my opinion that of the major religions, Buddhism is by far the most peaceful of them all.

The edict not to kill or inflict pain on others is integral to Buddhist thought. Periodically, however, Buddist monks have encouraged violence or initiated it. The primary example in the 20th and 21st century is in Sri Lanka, where Sinhala Buddhist groups have committed and encouraged violence against local Christians and Tamils.

The leader of Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese cult that committed a lethal sarin gas attack in the mid-1990s, drew on Buddhist as well as Hindu ideas to justify his beliefs.
 

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The leader of Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese cult that committed a lethal sarin gas attack in the mid-1990s, drew on Buddhist as well as Hindu ideas to justify his beliefs.

Tyr, the leader of Aum Shinriko (as I recall, his name was Shoko Asahara) was a terrorist, who took his inspiration where he could find it. It is not Hinduism or Buddhism that is to blame here, but Asahara himself.