Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

Ron in Regina

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I don't think most people are p*ssed off at police in general, but at
the blatant corruption and incompetence surrounding this incident
that made the news in spite of the efforts of the RCMP, and in turn
the question of, "how many others got buried?" becomes inevitable.
 

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I thought he was a Polish citizen. I don't think it matters though. It's pretty clear why he died. What other information do they need? There is no mystery to this case.
 

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Notes and video hold different accounts

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I have to say I don't find this particularly surprising. Have you ever tried to recount an adrenaline filled, extremely stressful and very short experience down to every detail before? Your mind can't process everything and your memory plays tricks on you. I've seen it happen countless times at work.
 

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I am very much interested to find out if there is a way to over turn the verdict of the judge who tried the 4 Officers?
I,m not a lawyer but feel that it wasn't a fair trial but I feel if people got together and demanded a new trial ,something could change .
But perhaps that is just a wishful thinking.
 
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All I can say is, thank God the video exists. Nothing will come of
this beyond the public becoming more aware of what transpires
in law enforcement....but without the video, this would have been
buried back in the fall of 2007 as a non-issue. Business as usual.

One small detail saves us from RCMP's deception
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Hey Ronny, the problem is they are still using this stupid devise and just yesterday they killed some one that had a nervous brake down.
It has become that it is easier to deal with a deranged nervous person with a taser than to consul him or her, but this far no females have been tasered or killed by tasers. This supposedly friendlier devise compared to a gun is killing, more people than if a gun was used to shoot the legs.
And what is hypocritical to boot one of the officers in this incident has a drinking and driving causing death record on a hit and run allegation.
This is madness to see adults playing stupid when in fact they killed a man who lost his ability to communicate.
 

Ron in Regina

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I have to say I don't find this particularly surprising. Have you ever tried to recount an adrenaline filled, extremely stressful and very short experience down to every detail before? Your mind can't process everything and your memory plays tricks on you. I've seen it happen countless times at work.


Yes, I have. I wish I was never put in the position where I've
had to, but again....yes, I have. You'd think that between the
Four officers, one of them would have testimony and
documentation that would at least be similar to the video?
One officer has yet to testify though....

Dziekanski video showed reality you won't hear from Mounties
globeandmail.com: Dziekanski video showed reality you won't hear from Mounties

VANCOUVER — It wasn't the first time the RCMP officer who tasered Robert
Dziekanski had watched video of the incident. But this time, Constable Kwesi
Millington had to watch it while reconciling the visual evidence with the statements
he made immediately after the incident.

Constable Millington took the stand yesterday at the inquiry into Mr. Dziekanski's
death at Vancouver International Airport in the early morning hours of Oct. 14,
2007. It was not pretty. Consistently, information he supplied to an RCMP
investigating officer shortly after the incident was contradicted by the now-
infamous video.

After nearly a week of testimony from three of the four Mounties involved in the
confrontation that day, it is clear that if it were not for that video, the version of
events supplied by the officers wouldn't have come close to what actually happened.

Draw your own conclusions why.

On the stand at the inquiry that former B.C. Supreme Court justice Thomas
Braidwood is holding into Mr. Dziekanski's death, Constable Millington said the 40-
year-old Polish immigrant was obviously agitated when the officers caught up with
him. Yet the video of the encounter showed Mr. Dziekanski was anything but
agitated and was standing there quite calmly but obviously confused. Why wouldn't
he be, given he couldn't understand a word the officers were saying?

At one point, Mr. Dziekanski put his hands in the air and started walking away. He
grabbed a stapler from a counter. According to Constable Millington's statement
given at the local detachment a few hours later, and another statement given the
following day, Mr. Dziekanski “raised [the stapler] in the air” and assumed a
“combative stance” before stepping toward the officers in a “threatening
manner.”

But that wasn't true at all. First, it's clear from the video that Mr. Dziekanski never
raised the stapler above the level of his belt, or just slightly above, and if he
stepped in the direction of the officers, it was a barely perceptible baby step. But
this was enough to compel Constable Millington to take out his taser and pump Mr.
Dziekanski with 50,000 volts.

I have seen the video of the tasering maybe a hundred times now and it never
ceases to shock me. It did again yesterday. The worst part is right after Mr.
Dziekanski is tasered for the first time, sending him reeling backward, holding his
stomach, like someone who has just been shot. As he staggered backward, he fell
on his backside and his legs shot up in the air.

The sight of him on the ground, screaming and writhing in pain, his arms holding
his chest, is a terrible thing to watch. It is at this point, unbelievably, that
Constable Millington gave the man a second blast from his taser.

So why, with Mr. Dziekanski on the ground, clearly in pain, did the officer taser
him again? Just one second after the first hit?

In his original statement, Constable Millington said it was because Mr. Dziekanski
hadn't gone down after the first discharge. But he clearly had.

“I was wrong about that,” Constable Millington said on the stand.

He also said in his statement that his fellow officers had to wrestle Mr. Dziekanski
to the ground because he wouldn't fall.

“I was wrong,” the officer had to admit again.

Still, Constable Millington defended the second shot because he felt Mr. Dziekanski
wasn't completely immobilized and was still “moving and struggling.” Yes,
struggling for his life as it would turn out.

It got worse.

After Mr. Dziekanski was on the ground, with three officers on top of him, one
with a knee in his back, Constable Millington fired the taser a third time. This
time, because the “male was still resisting the officers.” That's right, three RCMP
officers, all close to six feet and collectively weighing nearly 600 pounds, couldn't
subdue someone the Mounties estimated to be 5'9” and weigh 180.

But Constable Millington wasn't finished.

He said he thought his taser wasn't working properly because it was making a
“clacking sound” so he took out the cartridge and put the weapon in push-stun
mode, which is when the taser is applied directly to a person's body, causing severe
pain.

This, Constable Millington did two times even though he told the RCMP officer who
took his statement that he had applied the taser in push-stun mode only once.
Another fact refuted by the video evidence. By lunch break, I counted at least six
statements that Constable Millington made immediately after the incident that
ended up being contradicted by the video.

But Constable Millington did do one thing right.

When Mr. Dziekanski started turning blue, he suggested his fellow officers turn him
over on his back, into what police call “recovery position.”

By then it was too late.
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Hey Ron is it true that one of these 4 officers has a drinking conviction causing death and not stay at the seen?
 

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I have to say I don't find this particularly surprising. Have you ever tried to recount an adrenaline filled, extremely stressful and very short experience down to every detail before? Your mind can't process everything and your memory plays tricks on you. I've seen it happen countless times at work.
Stress my ass. Cops are trained to pay attention to details. If they aren't attentive and aware they don't last very long.
 

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I find it appalling that all of you want to see these officers punished

that in itself says alot about the cops guilt and public perception. If every body believes they are guilty, the probability is that they are

Now it's a matter of what kind of slap on the wrist will they get for klilling somebody.

My guess - not nuch
My hope - Federal pen time
If you hope in one hand and crap in the other - which one do you think fills up first!
What is "nuch".
The so called video you all watched was not on a video cam. It was a telephone shot so just how much of this do you really think you are watching? A few seconds at a time here and there maybe?
 

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Source: The Cape Breton Post: Local News | Off-duty RCMP officer faces drunk driving charge in fatal B.C. motorcycle crash

Here you go Socrates.

VANCOUVER (CP) — In a bizarre twist to a tragic story, a B.C. RCMP officer accused in a fatal drunk driving accident was involved in the death of a man who died after he was shocked by RCMP Tasers at Vancouver’s airport.

The officer, whose name was not released, is now a member of the RCMP’s Olympic Integrated Security Unit, which is preparing security for the Vancouver 2010 Olympics.

He was off duty on Saturday night when the accident occurred in suburban Delta, B.C.

Police said Orion Hutchinson, 21, was catapulted from his motorcycle when hit by a Jeep. He died at the accident scene.

Police say the driver of the Jeep now faces charges of impaired driving causing death and having a blood alcohol level exceeding the .08 legal limit.

RCMP Sgt. Tim Shields confirmed Tuesday that the officer was one of four RCMP members involved in the police confrontation with Robert Dziekanski last October at Vancouver International Airport.

Officers used a Taser to subdue an agitated Dziekanski and he died on the floor of the airport.

Video of the incident released after the death created a public outcry and prompted several investigations into police use of stun guns.

Police emails obtained later by The Canadian Press indicated threats were made toward the officers involved and their families.

The three other members involved in the incident remain on active duty at undisclosed locations.

Shields said the accused officer has been suspended with pay. He said the officer is devastated at the turn of events over the weekend.

Shields issued a public statement to the family of the young man killed on behalf of RCMP members and employees across Canada.

“This is the most unimaginable heartbreak ever and we are sick about it,” he told reporters at a hastily-called news conference Tuesday.

“The officer involved is predictably devastated as we are.”
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You know, we all know that what happened here was wrong. It was a horrible learning experience for everyone. The RCMP have restricted the use of the taser. These members are not going to jail for any death at the airport. How much longer can you go over and over the same old material.
 

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The officer, whose name was not released, is now a member of the RCMP’s Olympic Integrated Security Unit, which is preparing security for the Vancouver 2010 Olympics.
So they stick this guy back into a position where there will be people from all over the world in Canada's most booze and dope soaked resorts? Smooooooth!
 

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Yes, I have. I wish I was never put in the position where I've
had to, but again....yes, I have. You'd think that between the
Four officers, one of them would have testimony and
documentation that would at least be similar to the video?
One officer has yet to testify though....

At work when an emergent situation occurs, one person takes the role of recorder and writes everything that happened and when it was happened. It's because we can have literally a dozen people involved in the case and get a dozen different recollections of what happened.... Did we put in the second line before or after the heart rate dropped? Did the blood pressure go down after we gave the second dose of epi? Or was it the third? How long did it take to intubate? How many attempts was it? How many fluid boluses did we give? When did the blood come up from blood bank? What time did the doc get called? What time did she get there? If someone doesn't write it down as it's happening, it's a mess to try to remember and document even though we've all been doing this job for years. Sometimes you just do the best you can and have to admit your memory isn't infallible. I wish all cops had videos implanted somewhere in their uniforms to record interactions like you see on some squad cars.
 

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So they stick this guy back into a position where there will be people from all over the world in Canada's most booze and dope soaked resorts? Smooooooth!
The officer, whose name was not released, is now a member of the RCMP’s Olympic Integrated Security Unit, which is preparing security for the Vancouver 2010 Olympics.
So now he's an alcoholic because he drank too much and was involved in a fatality for which we all know that eventually - he will pay big time. He was present when a man was tasered to death. He was driving a vehicle that killed a man shortly thereafter. Is he living under a huge stress load? No - must not be. He's a trained professional and he can handle all this right? He's a cop, not a human. Iggy notice the words "preparing security". It doesn't say he will be present and accounted for at the Olympics. It's highly doubtful he will be there. I expected better from you.:-(
 

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I wish all cops had videos implanted somewhere in their uniforms to record interactions like you see on some squad cars.
Yeah that would be great especially if they can't turn them off and are broadcast live unedited to the public.