Let's have an election .

[Francis2004]

Tyr

Same thing applies to the all the posts herein .

polls may change by the hour and we can all agree but what will next months nunbers look like and Jan's numbers be.

The Canadian economy shed 71,000 jobs in November, the biggest drop in 25 years. The unemployment rate rose 0.1% to 6.3%.

Brutal arrival of recession in Canada

The failure to address this issue will domino into a much greater problem.. With the US facing as great if not greater an issue that will translate into bigger problems. Do we just wait for things to get better on their own while businesses go under and are not ready for the uptake when it happens. Again Canada will be lagging behind our G8 partners due to the lack of response..

Perhaps people will not respond to polls but they will to job losses just before and at Christmas time when many big companies shed employees to get them off payroll before year end.

 

[Lester]

I wouldn't say we're lagging behind we have the tax cuts that have already been announced sometime ago before anyone saw this coming. But sure there is need for further stimulus, but who first, and where does the government stop? thirty billion, forty? we could extend EI for a year, put a halt to foreclosures? reduce ourselves to a thirty hour week for job sharing. Do we help foreign companies or just Canadian ones.

 

[Francis2004]

Hey I have an even better Idea.. Lets not put in place a stimulus package and let everyone be laid off.. As they only get 30 some week of EI, soon after they will be either on welfare ( if they qualify ) or on the street. What a great idea that is..

Yes a stupid Stimulus package could be used to start infrastructure work that "Should and Needs" to be done anyway.. I am sure most of our schools ( only 14 of 300 have been done in BC ) and besides we don't need to protect our kids.. I am sure most of our roads in all provinces do not need upgrades either.. Nawwww such a waste..

Of course many business don't need Corporate loans so why back those with a Stimulus Package right.. Good Canadian financially secure businesses do not require credit lines do they.. As I sat with the Owner of such a company last week I would have no idea what I am talking about..

Yup.. While most of the G8 are passing Stimulus Packages Canada thinks its a waste of time and money. Once again we will be a 3rd world country as we wait 7 weeks to even get a budget in place..

 

[JLM]

I wouldn't say we're lagging behind we have the tax cuts that have already been announced sometime ago before anyone saw this coming. But sure there is need for further stimulus, but who first, and where does the government stop? thirty billion, forty? we could extend EI for a year, put a halt to foreclosures? reduce ourselves to a thirty hour week for job sharing. Do we help foreign companies or just Canadian ones.

I've said it before, I'll say it one last time, any stimulus package should be in the form of cash rebates/tax deductions TO CUSTOMERS who purchase items like vehicles built in North America, domestic lumber and lumber products for home construction, renos etc. NOT cash handouts to failed businesses. If I'm able (I'm not) to run a successful business - why should my competitor who's business has failed through mismanagement while mine hasn't get bailed out? Maybe the guy who runs a successful business should get a cash incentive from the Gov't. That's one of the reasons why I turned away from the N.D.P. - they taxed the workers to pay the bums.

 

[Lester]

Hey I have an even better Idea.. Lets not put in place a stimulus package and let everyone be laid off.. As they only get 30 some week of EI, soon after they will be either on welfare ( if they qualify ) or on the street. What a great idea that is..

Yes a stupid Stimulus package could be used to start infrastructure work that "Should and Needs" to be done anyway.. I am sure most of our schools ( only 14 of 300 have been done in BC ) and besides we don't need to protect our kids.. I am sure most of our roads in all provinces do not need upgrades either.. Nawwww such a waste..

Of course many business don't need Corporate loans so why back those with a Stimulus Package right.. Good Canadian financially secure businesses do not require credit lines do they.. As I sat with the Owner of such a company last week I would have no idea what I am talking about..

Yup.. While most of the G8 are passing Stimulus Packages Canada thinks its a waste of time and money. Once again we will be a 3rd world country as we wait 7 weeks to even get a budget in place..

Well when you put it that way, why don't we give them a blank cheque and they can do whatever they like with it- you can't pull a number like 30 billion out of you a** and start throwing it around, you need a plan .

 

[JLM]

Well when you put it that way, why don't we give them a blank cheque and they can do whatever they like with it- you can't pull a number like 30 billion out of you a** and start throwing it around, you need a plan .

Infrastructure only makes sense, best to build it during hard times when labour is plentiful and your not being held to ransome to pay exorbitant prices for it.

 

[Tyr]

Tyr

Same thing applies to the all the posts herein .

I believe you have a problem with perception. This is a blog. We don't make the National News (if we do, I'm calling my agent).

Polls do and they change by the hr. That's why they call them "polls". They're a snapshot in time and "time" is liquid.

If you put alot of faith in polls, then you must also be anxiously waiting for Santa to pop down your chimney

If any of the major political parties were to change leaders today (a very likely prospect), the "polls" would change radically

To sum it up. Would you vote based on a "poll"? The majority of people don't

 

[Lester]

But Polls are Peoples opinions, and I have an interest in other peoples opinions. They might see something I missed, and I could change my position because of it. So I do consider the polls when I vote (sorta), But time does cool heads and maybe some of the Bi*ches might not seem so important/valid anymore on Jan 26. The way this has been playing out -Anything could happen , a scandal, another political blunder.

 

[MHz]

If the Gov is suspended shouldn't all the elected officials be sent home without pay until they can resume their duties? The hired would could keep the system for a few months. You could even restructure the whole thing, no national parties the ones who are in the Provincial sector (elected but don't have anything to actually do that has any real importance).

Each Province or Territory would have the same # of people sitting there. An odd number would be helpful.
This is an example of the type of co-operation The Prairies could make a deal to supply a lot of grain to the East Coast so they could feed new fish hatories in an attempt to restock the Grand Banks. The West Coast and Central would get nothing. The North might get some benefit if the grains use them as a route as part of the delivery point (on the ice that will melt releasing that grain into the water over a period of time), that might even work for Hudson's Bay, you certainly wouldn't be able to sneak in and grab the fish that are ready for the annual harvest. Hmmmmm.......you could probably get govt funding also in exchange for a fair cut in the profits
A large white bear population would discourage both seal and man from sneaking around smelling like dead fish

 

[JLM]

JLM,

Seems like a page from FDR, but the idea is good.

imo/jao

r;s

Well F.D.R. was rated #3......................LOL:lol:

 

[mit]

I am beginning to think that an election is not a good idea right now - Here is the plan for Canadians to follow - Parliament resumes late January - Send the MP's a strong message that regardless of confidence vote we do not want an election for atleast 18 months. That forces parliament to look at how it is going to work. If Harper gets his budget passed and his government survives because of a battered opposition he may show more of his cards to the electorate - If the coalition gains power we get a chance to see their ideas and what Harper opposes. It will be like an 18 month long election campaign.

 

[JLM]

But Polls are Peoples opinions, and I have an interest in other peoples opinions. They might see something I missed, and I could change my position because of it. So I do consider the polls when I vote (sorta), But time does cool heads and maybe some of the Bi*ches might not seem so important/valid anymore on Jan 26. The way this has been playing out -Anything could happen , a scandal, another political blunder.

Couldn't agree more. Being flexible is a good quality, I believe that ALL successful people are capable of adapting- one reason why I question the sense of being adamantly attached to a political party as no political party in the world has all the answers.

 

[china]

60% ??? self employed? HMMMM? A pan-handler on the streets of Canada is self employed also - As are Hookers and Strippers and drug dealers - Perhaps we may get to that level soon -

What you are saying is that the governments are the ones to blame for strippers,hookers ,pan-handlers etc.It comes with the mandate ,.....right?

 

[mit]

What you are saying is that the governments are the ones to blame for strippers,hookers ,pan-handlers etc.It comes with the mandate ,.....right?

China - I am just saying that having 60% of citizens self employed means nothing. How is their quality of life in China - Can they own a car? - Can they travel the world or cycber space without restrictions - Can they own property - write nasty letters to their government officials - espouse their beliefs in Nation media? Live without fear of a knock on the door in the middle of the night?

I am sure they have many things we do not - perhaps they are even happier - Don't care - I live in Canada - Employed - Self Employed or Unemployed - Still think we have the best country in the world.

 

[Tyr]

Mit

I live in Canada - Employed - Self Employed or Unemployed - Still think we have the best country in the world.

It truely is

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Well when you put it that way, why don't we give them a blank cheque and they can do whatever they like with it- you can't pull a number like 30 billion out of you a** and start throwing it around, you need a plan .

Word is the coalition had a plan drawn up for a stimulus package, and were going to present it to the Governor General when she met with the leaders...

Guess we'll never know now...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

It is that and more... with some very obvious exceptions...

Yeah...once we vote the cons out and get a proper government things will get better...

 

[Lester]

Word is the coalition had a plan drawn up for a stimulus package, and were going to present it to the Governor General when she met with the leaders...

Guess we'll never know now...

It's unlikely they had one ready, maybe a platform or some rough outlines. It takes a government months to put together a budget- it's doubtful the coalition could put one together in less than a week. If they did, then I think its quality would be suspect.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

It's unlikely they had one ready, maybe a platform or some rough outlines. It takes a government months to put together a budget- it's doubtful the coalition could put one together in less than a week. If they did, then I think its quality would be suspect.

Maybe so, but it would have been no worse than the POS FU that the cons delivered that started this whole mess...

I for one would have like to have seen what they did come up with...maybe they had a budget already drafted as a contingency against the fall of the government...minority government are notoriously unstable, and it would have been the prudent thing to do...

 

[#juan]

It's unlikely they had one ready, maybe a platform or some rough outlines. It takes a government months to put together a budget- it's doubtful the coalition could put one together in less than a week. If they did, then I think its quality would be suspect.

While it might take a while to create a whole budget from scratch, surely the Liberals had enough archival info on hand from their time in office to put together a pretty accurate budget in a few hours.