Concealed Glaciers Discovered On Mars At Mid-latitudes

[darkbeaver]

The ion tail of Venus. Credit: Jeff Hecht, New Scientist Magazine May 31, 1997.

Jul 24, 2008
Venus' Tail of the Unexpected​

Ancient peoples report that the planet Venus once had visible "ropes" stretching out to the Earth. Could a plasma glow discharge have been the cause?​

The "induced magnetotail" that points away from Venus in the direction of the earth is a teardrop-shaped plasma structure filled with “a lot of little stringy things” that was first detected by NASA’s Pioneer Venus Orbiter in the late 1970s. In 1997, Europe’s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) Satellite showed that the tail stretched some 45,000,000 kilometres into space, more than 600 times as far as anyone had realized and almost far enough to “tickle” the earth when the two planets are in line with the sun.​

“In this sense”, scientists write, “Venus can be likened to a comet, which has an induced magnetotail of similar origin.”​

Intriguingly, as has been abundantly documented on this forum, human societies outside the mainstream of western science have long associated the morning or evening star with just such a conspicuous “rope” or “string”. Particularly explicit are some examples drawn from the near-contemporary cosmology of native Australian communities.

The Ringu​

 

[darkbeaver]

OK evidence evidently inspires me differently than it does you, I will have to leave off wasteing your time then sir.:-(

 

[hermanntrude]

That weird happening was predicted by alternate cosmological models.

perhaps those alternate models have something going for them then. But that still doesnt prove that a comet can move a planet

 

[hermanntrude]

The ion tail of Venus. Credit: Jeff Hecht, New Scientist Magazine May 31, 1997.

Jul 24, 2008
Venus' Tail of the Unexpected​

Ancient peoples report that the planet Venus once had visible "ropes" stretching out to the Earth. Could a plasma glow discharge have been the cause?​

The "induced magnetotail" that points away from Venus in the direction of the earth is a teardrop-shaped plasma structure filled with “a lot of little stringy things” that was first detected by NASA’s Pioneer Venus Orbiter in the late 1970s. In 1997, Europe’s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) Satellite showed that the tail stretched some 45,000,000 kilometres into space, more than 600 times as far as anyone had realized and almost far enough to “tickle” the earth when the two planets are in line with the sun.​

“In this sense”, scientists write, “Venus can be likened to a comet, which has an induced magnetotail of similar origin.”​

Intriguingly, as has been abundantly documented on this forum, human societies outside the mainstream of western science have long associated the morning or evening star with just such a conspicuous “rope” or “string”. Particularly explicit are some examples drawn from the near-contemporary cosmology of native Australian communities.

The Ringu​

OK i've never come across a magnetotail before, but it seems plausible. But why does that connect venus to earth? because once every few years the two planets line up and the magnetotail comes close to earth?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There could potentially be life in several places in the solar system. Mars is closest to us and we are in a position to study it in detail.

However, satellites of the gas giants are a definite possibility. It is considered that on some of the bigger moons of Jupiter, underground temperature may be high enough for life to have evolved. Same with liquid water. The biggest surprise on Io (I think it was Io) was that they found volcanoes at room temperature (around 25 degrees C.)

Currently we cannot explore the moons like Io or Ganymede in detail, but when we do have the capabilities, we may be in for a surprise.

I have even read the speculation that microbial life may exist in the upper atmosphere of Venus. While surface of Venus is very hot (Venus really comes close to the Fundamentalist version of a fire and brimstone Hell), the temperatures in upper clouds are much more modest. I think there is water vapour in the clouds. While (as yet) there is no evidence for it, presence of life on Venus certainly cannot be ruled out.

So it is quite possible that life exists in several places in our solar system besides earth.

As for Velikovsky, I agree with hermanntrude, he was a nut.

 

[hermanntrude]

I wouldnt call him a nut. It's hard to understand the reasons people aid what they did all those hundreds of years ago. however, anyone who still thinks his idea on comets moving planets is having a struggle with reality.

And yes, it's perfectly possible that life exists or existed in other parts of the solar system. It'd be very exciting if it turned out that it does exist, because that'd mean there'd likely be life all over the universe. I can't wait to find out one way or the other. It'll be a historic time in planetary science

 

[darkbeaver]

I'm of the opinion that life permeates the universe and in far more diverse expressions then we admit. We are restricted by more than the need to observe the scientific method. Just last week QnQ played an interview of a good egghead talking about the discovery of single organism environments in solid rock as it were. Bacteria I think it was very deep in the earth, it constitutes it's intake requirements from the rock. Life in rocks, think of it.

quirks and quarks cbc radio=QnQ

 

[hermanntrude]

there's nothing wrong with that opinion, except that there's very little evidence for or against it. Hopefully that will change in the years to come.

 

[darkbeaver]

OK i've never come across a magnetotail before, but it seems plausible. But why does that connect venus to earth? because once every few years the two planets line up and the magnetotail comes close to earth?

It's like dragging frayed extension cords arround a solar system full of charged objects.

 

[Scott Free]

OK i've never come across a magnetotail before, but it seems plausible. But why does that connect venus to earth? because once every few years the two planets line up and the magnetotail comes close to earth?

It may be that it appears to connect the planets if the "magnetotail" bridges a potential between the two bodies. Depending on how big the potential is perhaps it would have been visible in ancient times?

 

[darkbeaver]

It may be that it appears to connect the planets if the "magnetotail" bridges a potential between the two bodies. Depending on how big the potential is perhaps it would have been visible in ancient times?

That discharge is visable everyday on this planet and lightening has been prooven on Mars, Venus, and Jupitur where it should not exist at all according to conventional science. The sun is a ball of plasma, the universe is one enormous electrical and magnetic circuit.

 

[Scott Free]

OK, but does this theory understand this as a secondary process?

 

[hermanntrude]

That discharge is visable everyday on this planet and lightening has been prooven on Mars, Venus, and Jupitur where it should not exist at all according to conventional science. The sun is a ball of plasma, the universe is one enormous electrical and magnetic circuit.

who says conventional science says lightning can't exist on other planets? conventional science predicts lightning will exist wherever a very large potential is built up to the point it can breifly overcome the immense resistant between the centres of charge separation.

 

[hermanntrude]

It may be that it appears to connect the planets if the "magnetotail" bridges a potential between the two bodies. Depending on how big the potential is perhaps it would have been visible in ancient times?

if the magnetotail linked the two planets it wouldn't do it all the time... it'd only do it when the orbits lined up... wouldnt it? it seems like a fairly fleeting phenomenon to me

 

[Scott Free]

if the magnetotail linked the two planets it wouldn't do it all the time... it'd only do it when the orbits lined up... wouldnt it? it seems like a fairly fleeting phenomenon to me

Absolutely but still if the phenomena is real it has some pretty exciting ramifications.

 

[hermanntrude]

be specific. what kind of ramifications?

 

[Scott Free]

Well, for one thing it opens the doors once again to field theory which I've never accepted as disproved. I actually have my own such theory which address what I perceive as errors in relativity. I can explain time, gravity and distance all within a 4th dimensional field. I don't perceive space and time as linked but rather effects of another process. I can do this by not explaining dimensions as mathematical anomalies but as symmetries within our own universe. This allows for some fundamental laws of physics to appear "broken" in certain circumstances.

Anyway, I'm not ready to talk about such things yet, but the idea of planetary bodies holding charges isn't new to me but the evidence for it is.