It Can Happen only in Texas.


SirJosephPorter
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#1
Texas (George Bush’s Texas) is famous for its anti-homosexual hatred, they have laws on the books trashing homosexuality and they are not afraid to use them.

Homosexuality used to be a crime in Texas punishable by 10 years of imprisonment. A few years ago, police, acting on an anonymous tip, raided a house, broke down the door, stormed inside and caught a couple in a homosexual act. The couple was charged with homosexuality and imprisoned (eventually released on bail).

The couple was charged with felony and Texas government fought the case tooth and nail, all the way to the Supreme Court. Eventually sanity prevailed and Supreme Court declared the Texas Sodomy law unconstitutional.

In light of this what happened in San Antonio shopping mall should come as no surprise. A pair of smooching twentysomething female shoppers were arrested there at the Rolling Oaks Mall in December and now face criminal charges that range from trespassing to assaulting an officer of the law.

Mall spokesperson Les Morris says there's no mall policy against kissing. "Our code of conduct prohibits behavior that is disruptive to our shopping environment," he says. "Rest assured that we enforce our code of conduct in a nondiscriminatory manner."

Says Donna Lieberman, director of the New York Civil Liberties Union: "A mall can't give shoppers a kiss-off based on gender, at least certainly here in New York and hopefully in Texas as well.

"If two women kissing is a problem in a mall, but a boy and girl kissing is not, then this is a discriminatory policy."

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Anyway this reinforces the reputation of USA (and especially the Bible Belt) as being hostile to gays, of actively persecuting gays.

Kissing is no crime, say women arrested in San Antonio mall
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#2
I'm not so sure SJP. Something is definitely goin' on with the little guy in the happin' suit

 
Spade
Free Thinker
#3
SJP closed with "It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Anyway this reinforces the reputation of USA (and especially the Bible Belt) as being hostile to gays, of actively persecuting gays."

Ypu may be in error as gay-tor aid is widely drunk by lusty American men in shorts and/or spandex.
 
SirJosephPorter
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

SJP closed with "It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Anyway this reinforces the reputation of USA (and especially the Bible Belt) as being hostile to gays, of actively persecuting gays."

Ypu may be in error as gay-tor aid is widely drunk by lusty American men in shorts and/or spandex.

Gatorade? That is sissy drink. I would think the macho men from Texas wouldn’t touch anything other than Kentucky bourbon (or perhaps the moonshine).
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#5
 
Cannuck
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+1
#6
Them Texans are crazy. How the hell could you outlaw this....




It should be on every street corner!!
 
karrie
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#7
Maybe it has to do with the fact that not all lesbians look like that, and men seem less keen on this on every street corner.



Men seem to only appreciate the 'lesbians' that they can fantasize they have a shot with.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#8
Y'all mean that "steers an' queers" thing is a myth?
 
Cannuck
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#9
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Maybe it has to do with the fact that not all lesbians look like that, and men seem less keen on this on every street corner.



Men seem to only appreciate the 'lesbians' that they can fantasize they have a shot with.

Now that's just sick...
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Now that's just sick...

Well that's your opinion. It ain't my thing, but it's not my place to claim that it's sick. Love is subjective and takes on many forms, even ones that don't "do it" for me.

If you think that's sick go see 2 girls 1 cup somewhere online.... I think you might end up pleasently suprised.
 
karrie
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#11
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Now that's just sick...

see? Men are all about lesbianism until it's two real people who are definitely not into men.

Personally while not my type, they're just fine, and I'd have no more issue seeing them kiss on a street corner than I do seeing your fake chicks kiss. lol.
 
SirJosephPorter
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#12
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

see? Men are all about lesbianism until it's two real people who are definitely not into men.

Personally while not my type, they're just fine, and I'd have no more issue seeing them kiss on a street corner than I do seeing your fake chicks kiss. lol.

Karrie, these days we wonder about the morality of the Old South, to us it doesn’t make sense.

In the Old South, men were polite to the women, chivalry was very much alive. They would address a woman as ‘ma’am’ open the door for her etc. However, let her apply for admission to a university, or try to compete with men on equal footing in the work force, they would come down upon the woman hard. Today we find this morality difficult to understand.

Similarly, the society 50 or 100 years from now will find our morality difficult to understand. It is perfectly OK for one man to kill another man, we show it on TV, even little kids watch it, no problem.

However, one man kissing another man is a social taboo, (‘now that’s just sick’), it is not discussed openly, mush less shown in television. Show one man killing another on TV, it won’t even cause remark, but show one man kissing another on TV, all Hell will break lose.

Just as we find the old morality difficult to understand (where people frowned upon telling a lie, or being rude to a woman, but stringing up a black man, lynching him was perfectly acceptable), the society of future will find our morality difficult to understand.
 
Nuggler
#13
Yup, well theys called social mores (mor rays), and they change over time.

So, they will

(says so right ****in here, so suck it up!!!)



 
shadowshiv
Free Thinker
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Now that's just sick...

Why? Just because you don't find them attractive? They obviously find each other attractive, so why should you care?
 
Cannuck
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#15
They say a sense of humour is a sign of intelligence.
 
ironsides
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#16
Big question: Why won't Texans drink 'Gatorade"?
 
ironsides
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#17
In the old South: Putting a women on a golden pedestal was not considered a bad idea, the problem is that not all women would qualify or even want to be the target of man's adoration.
 
ironsides
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#18
Sir, Did you get a chance to read this yet?

The prospects of same-sex marriage in California grew dimmer Thursday, when two Supreme Court justices who helped create the right for gays to marry in last year's historic decision expressed deep reservations about attempts to strike down a statewide referendum passed last fall to ban the practice. "You would have us choose between these two rights: the inalienable right to marry and the right of the people to change their constitution," said Justice Joyce L. Kennard, one of those two key judges. "You ask us to willy-nilly disregard the right of the people to change the constitution of the state of California. But all political power is inherent in the people of California."

Gay Marriage: Is California's Supreme Court Shifting? - TIME
 
RanchHand
#19
If you Canadians would have no problem with taking your wife and young children to a mall and seeing the Nuggler and The Lone Wolf hugging and kissing one another,each with an emblem of the Canadian flag sewn on their jacket shoulders in a sort of Canadian military epaulette fashion statement, then I guess you should add that to the Canadian Great Accomplishments thread. Those two might be proud that they can do something like that in as public place as a mall, but they would be frowned upon by most Americans. Particularly at those malls that have Sears as an anchor store.
 
talloola
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#20
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Maybe it has to do with the fact that not all lesbians look like that, and men seem less keen on this on every street corner.



Men seem to only appreciate the 'lesbians' that they can fantasize they have a shot with.

I feel uncomfortable with either straight couples or gay couples kissing and
pretending there is no one else around, in a public place, and it can go on
for some time, I think they do it to attract attention, and not because they
are unaware of anyone close by.
I was watching a kids ball game in the park one day, and a gay couple was
all over each other on the grass, clothes on, but it went on for quite
awhile, and obvious they were making a statement to everyone
who was close by, but no one can do anything about it, unless there was one
person present who is a gay hater, then there is trouble.
Many children in the area.
 
Zan
Green
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by RanchHandView Post

If you Canadians would have no problem with taking your wife and young children to a mall and seeing the Nuggler and The Lone Wolf hugging and kissing one another,each with an emblem of the Canadian flag sewn on their jacket shoulders in a sort of Canadian military epaulette fashion statement, then I guess you should add that to the Canadian Great Accomplishments thread. Those two might be proud that they can do something like that in as public place as a mall, but they would be frowned upon by most Americans. Particularly at those malls that have Sears as an anchor store.

lol - ya, well not to terribly long ago, many Americans would have frowned at the idea of a black President too. Times change, and so do people. Try to keep up.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by RanchHandView Post

If you Canadians would have no problem with taking your wife and young children to a mall and seeing the Nuggler and The Lone Wolf hugging and kissing one another,each with an emblem of the Canadian flag sewn on their jacket shoulders in a sort of Canadian military epaulette fashion statement, then I guess you should add that to the Canadian Great Accomplishments thread. Those two might be proud that they can do something like that in as public place as a mall, but they would be frowned upon by most Americans. Particularly at those malls that have Sears as an anchor store.

Mayhaps the Nuggler and The Lone Wolf are celebrating the Leafs winning the Cup. Hell ... I'd even kiss you if that's what it took. Then again, maybe having a friend with whom to celebrate the win is a concept completely alien to y'all?
 
Kreskin
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Maybe it has to do with the fact that not all lesbians look like that, and men seem less keen on this on every street corner.



Men seem to only appreciate the 'lesbians' that they can fantasize they have a shot with.

Are those women or men or both? I can't tell.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Are those women or men or both? I can't tell.

Sorta a best guess thing.... No sideburns, shadow or razor burn ... but then that show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" might have covered that....
 
SirJosephPorter
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#25
Ironsides, it is never easy to predict how courts will rule on any given topic, the comments they make during the presentation of the case is not necessarily an indication of how they will eventually rule.

It may well be that they will let the referendum decision stand. Considering the fact that opposition to gay marriage runs at 65:35 in USA, it is perhaps expected that they will let the decision (to ban gay marriage) stand.

Fight for civil rights, equal rights is never easy, it is three steps forward, two steps back. Blacks, women did not have an easy time of it. For women, several decades passed between the time they got the vote and the time they were permitted to participate equally in all facets of life (education, employment politics etc.). Fights by blacks lasted even longer.

Gay rights movement is relatively young, 20 to 25 years old; it may be decades yet before they achieve full equality.

Also, USA is a very conservative, very religious country, and homophobia runs rampant in USA (Except for a few pockets of enlightenment such as Connecticut, Massachusetts etc.).

So I don’t know how the California decision will come out. However, win or lose, the fight for equality goes on. And significant progress towards equality of gays is being made in most of the developed world, except USA.
 
SirJosephPorter
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#26
However, what is remarkable is the asinine way they amend the constitution in many states of USA, with a 50%+1 vote in a referendum. By the slimmest of majority they can take rights away from minorities (as they did, with the 52:48 results in the referendum banning gay marriage).

In this respect, protection for minorities is fairly weak in USA, minority rights can easily be taken away in many states. Federally it is difficult to amend the constitution. However, at the state level, it is very easy to strip minorities of their rights.

What is happening in California is mob rule, and not democracy as I understand the term. A democracy is characterized by a robust protection of minority rights, where minority rights cannot be taken away by a 50%+1 win in a referendum.
 
RanchHand
#27
Gay marriage is an absolute abomination. Since the first Canadian left his cave hundreds of thousands of years ago and made a bee line for the US, 99.9% of mankind has considered marriage to be between a man and a women. After all that history, you've decided in the past few years to correct a wrong and an act of discrimination that has survived numerous ice ages.
It appears that less than 10 countries permit gay marriage. And for you to equate gays as a minority in the same category as blacks is just revolting. In fact, in the US, blacks are overwhelmingly against gay marriage and are deeply opposed to equating the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement, a comparison gays frequently make.
 
Francis2004
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Maybe it has to do with the fact that not all lesbians look like that, and men seem less keen on this on every street corner.



Men seem to only appreciate the 'lesbians' that they can fantasize they have a shot with.

See people always see the negative in life.

I rather see the positive.. If these two are together it means neither of them will be chasing me in a bar or supermarket..
 
Zan
Green
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by RanchHandView Post

Gay marriage is an absolute abomination. Since the first Canadian left his cave hundreds of thousands of years ago and made a bee line for the US, 99.9% of mankind has considered marriage to be between a man and a women. After all that history, you've decided in the past few years to correct a wrong and an act of discrimination that has survived numerous ice ages.
It appears that less than 10 countries permit gay marriage. And for you to equate gays as a minority in the same category as blacks is just revolting. In fact, in the US, blacks are overwhelmingly against gay marriage and are deeply opposed to equating the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement, a comparison gays frequently make.

oh Bull sh!t. The only abomination here is the archaic mentality of a person who is so frightened of anyone or anything that is different from themselves they use it as an excuse to perpetuate hate filled stereotypes in some perverse hope that by ostracizing others, nobody will notice how small in mind and spirit they are themselves.

My gawd if there's one thing I cannot stand it's a bigot.

 
SirJosephPorter
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+1
#30
My gawd if there's one thing I cannot stand it's a bigot.

Maybe so Zan, but USA is full of them. We have our share here in Canada of course, but nowhere near as many as they have in USA.
 

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