This P.T. McCain hoping to round up the suckers.

This has turned into a real joke. Someone making $28 per hour working 24 hours a day 365 days a year still wouldn't make $250,000. No plumber makes $250,000 per year net income. Most wealthy people don't report $250,000 per year in income. As well, Joe The Plumber isn't really a plumber and he doesn't make anywhere near that kind of money nor will he ever, no matter what the tax policy is.
This P.T. McCain hoping to round up the suckers.

So. Michelle Bachmann starts spewing comments about investigating Barack Obama, and CONGRESS itself, to route out 'anti-americans', and now Joe the Plumber is taking on the 'collectivist' nature of the democratic party. It looks to me like soon the Republicans will be trying to declare another cold war and step the US back a few decades, spreading paranoia and idiocy throughout its populace. How disingenious.

He wants to run a business, hire people and not pay more taxes; wish we had more idiots like Joe.

Jonah Goldberg:
The media vs. Joe the Plumber
Joe the Plumber asked a sensible question. Why is he being attacked and belittled?Jonah Goldberg
October 21, 2008
At a John McCain rally in Virginia on Saturday, Tito Munoz had come to face the enemy: the news media, which had declared war on Joe Wurzelbacher.
"Why the hell are you going after Joe the Plumber?" he yelled at a group of reporters, including my National Review colleague, Byron York. "Joe the Plumber has an idea. He has a future. He wants to be something else. Why is that wrong? Everything is possible in America. I made it. Joe the Plumber could make it even better than me. ... I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the U.S.A."
Who knows what it will do for McCain in the end, but the Joe the Plumber phenomenon is real. At the rally, supporters carried handmade signs reading "Phil the Brick Layer" and banners proclaiming "Rose the Teacher." Wurzelbacher symbolizes an optimistic, individualistic vision of America sorely lacking -- until recently -- in McCain's rhetoric.
Barack Obama, in contrast, has offered the most rhetorically eloquent defense of collectivism since Franklin D. Roosevelt. In his biographical video at the Democratic convention, he proclaimed that in America, "one person's struggle is all of our struggles." In his acceptance speech, he artfully replaced the idea of the American dream with the century-old progressive nostrum of "America's promise."
But the two visions are in opposition: the former individualistic, the latter collectivist. We each have our own idea of the American dream. Joe the Plumber's is to own a small plumbing company; yours might be something else entirely. In America, that's fine, because the pursuit of happiness is an individual, not a collective, right.
Obama's "America's promise," meanwhile, harkens back a century to the writings of such progressives as Herbert Croly (author of "The Promise of American Life"), who demonized individualism while sanctifying collective action overseen by the state. Obama also often articulates a vision of government inspired by the biblical injunction to be our brother's keeper. Few would dispute the moral message, but many disagree that such religious imperatives are best translated into tax or economic policy. (Where are the separation of church and state fetishists when you need them?) But individualists haven't had much of a voice in McCain, at least not until last week.
So we've listened to Joe Biden question the patriotism -- and, at times, piety -- of those who don't share Obama's economic vision. We've listened to Michelle Obama promise that her husband will make Americans "work" in his effort to fix our "broken souls." We've heard the candidate himself say that we should agree to higher taxes in the name of "neighborliness," and that he'd raise the capital gains tax -- even if it demonstrably lowered revenues -- "for the purposes of fairness." His "tax cut" for 95% of Americans is in large part a middle-class dole. He will cut checks to millions who pay no income tax at all and call it a tax cut.
In short, Obama's explanation to Joe the Plumber that we need to "spread the wealth around" is a sincere and significant expression of his worldview, with roots stretching back to his church and his days as a community organizer.
Millions of Americans don't share this vision. They don't see the economy as a pie, whereby your slice can only get bigger if someone else's gets smaller. They don't begrudge the wealthy their wealth; they only ask to be given the same opportunities. They look at countries such as France and, rather than envy their socialized medicine and short workweeks, they fear their joblessness and tax policies that punish entrepreneurialism. People like Tito Munoz look at America and see an open path to their own American dream.
It would be nice if the media at least tried to understand this point.
Instead, they attacked and belittled a citizen who asked a candidate a question. They think he's stupid or a liar for not understanding that a promised check from a President Obama is more valuable than some pipe dream about future success.
It's funny. When PBS' Gwen Ifill had a straightforward conflict of interest -- her forthcoming book hinges on an Obama presidency -- that should have prevented her from moderating the VP debate, she and her fellow journalists tittered at the critics. All that matters, Ifill and company insisted, are the answers, not the questioner.
That's apparently the standard for people like Gwen the Journalist. But if Joe the Plumber gets revealing but embarrassing answers out of the media's preferred candidate, suddenly the questioner matters more than the answer. And he must be punished.

He runs an illegal business.
He can't pay 3% more above 250,000, give me a break.
Someone has to pay for illegal wars and massive debt.
I run a business in Canada and pay my taxes fair and square and I just bought a 500,000 dollar cottage and own a 350,000 house free and clear....you won't ever here me complain about paying taxes so my fellow Canadians can get health care without going bankrupt and receive an excellent education.
I know you understand business real well being a public servant and all.
You're a joke Walt along with your criminal buddy Joe.

Avro,
With all due respect to you.
Did it ever occur to you that a `Joe the Plumber` might exist in Canada.
Wondering....
regs,
scratch

Avro,
With all due respect to you.
Did it ever occur to you that a `Joe the Plumber` might exist in Canada.
Wondering....
regs,
scratch

So. Michelle Bachmann starts spewing comments about investigating Barack Obama, and CONGRESS itself, to route out 'anti-americans', and now Joe the Plumber is taking on the 'collectivist' nature of the democratic party. It looks to me like soon the Republicans will be trying to declare another cold war and step the US back a few decades, spreading paranoia and idiocy throughout its populace. How disingenious.

Let's say you're a plumber. Own your own company. You bill out your time at $75/hr. Overtime is 1.5 times that. Any supplies you sell, you mark up, say 50 percent.
Work 30 hrs/week, plus 10 hours of overtime, do $250,000 worth of material costs (not too difficult if you do lots of new consturction), take 4 wks off, and you're grossing about 287,000.
Most plumbers are small businessmen, they are contractors, they can make big gross, they may even have employees.

My wife's uncle's are plumbers and they are multi millionaires, they are currently building the new hospital in North Bay 2 others and they have over 300 employees.
Anybody who thinks small can't see the potential of any business.
The burden of Canadian taxes hasn't made them poor nor did it prevent them from growing their business and making lots of dough, same goes for me but I don't constantly whine about taxes in this country like some piece of crap who blames government and taxes for their failures.