#1Nov 20th, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...45499556832271
And for those who has watched it, what is your thought about it.
Secrets of the CIA
And for those who has watched it, what is your thought about it.
#2
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 28th, 2007
Secrets war of the cia.
Here is another one, completly outrageous.
So the "Coalition of the brave" there is in here, the brave people like TORO, ITN,JIMOVER, COLPY,CDN BEAR, and all those who believe that arabs are bad, arabs are this and that, tell me what you guys think of this?
What ITN, COLPY,TORO, think that their money goes to kill peoples around the world?
How do you guys feel, when you know that your money serves to terrorize throught the CIA or any secrets-chicken-services around the world? do you guys feel ashame, or support it?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ars+of+the+cia
Here is another one, completly outrageous.
So the "Coalition of the brave" there is in here, the brave people like TORO, ITN,JIMOVER, COLPY,CDN BEAR, and all those who believe that arabs are bad, arabs are this and that, tell me what you guys think of this?
What ITN, COLPY,TORO, think that their money goes to kill peoples around the world?
How do you guys feel, when you know that your money serves to terrorize throught the CIA or any secrets-chicken-services around the world? do you guys feel ashame, or support it?
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#3
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 28th, 2007
I love the Coalition-of-Swiss Chalet-Retarded-Chicken. I support them weekly with my hard earned money. mmmm.... coalition of chicken & gravy.
#4
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 28th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
I love the Coalition-of-Swiss Chalet-Retarded-Chicken. I support them weekly with my hard earned money. mmmm.... coalition of chicken & gravy.
The name fit you perfectly well, so that would just make sense how you guys are, no wonder why US troops put dead bodies in mass graves, when they invaded panama, so the media, couldnt know the real casualities, when i think of that, damn US- and coalition-of swiss chalet-retarded-chicken foreign policy is based on what the nazi were, damn, it isnt hard to comprehend that many of the nazi worked for the cia.
Conservative
#6
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 28th, 2007Quote:
I am Shocked, SHOCKED, I say.What ITN, COLPY,TORO, think that their money goes to kill peoples around the world?
How do you guys feel, when you know that your money serves to terrorize throught the CIA or any secrets-chicken-services around the world? do you guys feel ashame, or support it?
Next time those CIA people come around to my door in their little brown uniforms, I am going to give them a piece of my mind, let me tell you.
And I'm not buying any of their damn cookies.
#7
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 28th, 2007
I've always found John Stockwell's site to be of an interesting read. --
#8
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 29th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy
I am Shocked, SHOCKED, I say.
Next time those CIA people come around to my door in their little brown uniforms, I am going to give them a piece of my mind, let me tell you.
And I'm not buying any of their damn cookies.
That means you support them, and that doesnt suprise me.
#9
Re: Secrets of the CIA
May 29th, 2007
Hey logic, I submitted all the ip info on you I could dig up to the FBI's local branch here where I live. But they said they already knew about you, and they think you're pretty funny too.
#10
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 4th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska
The chaps at MI5 said the same thing.. Hey logic, I submitted all the ip info on you I could dig up to the FBI's local branch here where I live. But they said they already knew about you, and they think you're pretty funny too.
#11
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny Utah
The chaps at MI5 said the same thing..
Come on guys, secrets services around the world, are just chicken peoples, you have to be in the organisation, or an asset, or an arab to get caught by them, they can't do on their own, just like most of you guys.
#13
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
Perhaps someone can help me out here.....
Were the KGB, the Mossad the "secret" police....the "intelligence community" of any era of any nation above doing everything that the CIA has done...?
I don't think so....
If the "problem" is that it's America....that its the people of the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave"....who've invested in things like the School of the Americas...or the CIA and all the backroom jutas and boardroom espionage that result in corruption and violence all over the world in the name of making a dollar...protecting "American interests".....using torture and kidnapping as devices in combatting "terrorism".....relax....
The human being hasn't evolved psychologically one iota from the Inquisition to Abu Ghraib.....doesn't matter if your a Canadian and the RCMP bury the Air India ineptitude and corruption or if you're an American who believe it's perfectly OK to kidnap a Canadian on a flight through your country and send him off to be tortured in Syria.....its all the same....
Were the KGB, the Mossad the "secret" police....the "intelligence community" of any era of any nation above doing everything that the CIA has done...?
I don't think so....
If the "problem" is that it's America....that its the people of the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave"....who've invested in things like the School of the Americas...or the CIA and all the backroom jutas and boardroom espionage that result in corruption and violence all over the world in the name of making a dollar...protecting "American interests".....using torture and kidnapping as devices in combatting "terrorism".....relax....
The human being hasn't evolved psychologically one iota from the Inquisition to Abu Ghraib.....doesn't matter if your a Canadian and the RCMP bury the Air India ineptitude and corruption or if you're an American who believe it's perfectly OK to kidnap a Canadian on a flight through your country and send him off to be tortured in Syria.....its all the same....
#14
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
The problem isn't that no one knows. The problem is that most of us don't care what happens to our neighbour and feel that what happens to us is a dire emergency. The connection of not helping your neighbour when the chips are down directly relating to the lack of neighbours who jump to your aid when it's your turn doesn't seem to register.
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB
Perhaps someone can help me out here.....
Were the KGB, the Mossad the "secret" police....the "intelligence community" of any era of any nation above doing everything that the CIA has done...?
I don't think so....
If the "problem" is that it's America....that its the people of the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave"....who've invested in things like the School of the Americas...or the CIA and all the backroom jutas and boardroom espionage that result in corruption and violence all over the world in the name of making a dollar...protecting "American interests".....using torture and kidnapping as devices in combatting "terrorism".....relax....
The human being hasn't evolved psychologically one iota from the Inquisition to Abu Ghraib.....doesn't matter if your a Canadian and the RCMP bury the Air India ineptitude and corruption or if you're an American who believe it's perfectly OK to kidnap a Canadian on a flight through your country and send him off to be tortured in Syria.....its all the same....
#15
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
Sure I can buy that if it weren't for the fact that in the far greater number of cases whereever the CIA has been involved....death destruction and mayhem have followed....
Bay of Pigs....Let's Kill Chavez....(let's kill Castro)...."We have intelligence that Saddam Hussein has stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction.....eveywhere in the world where the Central Intelligence Agency of the wealthiest and most powerful nation on the planet has focused....the manure hits the fan....
It's as American as Babe Ruth and Mom's Apple Pie...
Bay of Pigs....Let's Kill Chavez....(let's kill Castro)...."We have intelligence that Saddam Hussein has stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction.....eveywhere in the world where the Central Intelligence Agency of the wealthiest and most powerful nation on the planet has focused....the manure hits the fan....
It's as American as Babe Ruth and Mom's Apple Pie...
#16
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB
We learned it from the British Empire *grin*eveywhere in the world where the Central Intelligence Agency of the wealthiest and most powerful nation on the planet has focused....the manure hits the fan....
#17
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
Smack me if I am off topic, but the US is the most corrupt place on earth. They gave Irak their weaponds to rebuild themselves. Bush and the Bin Laden`s are huge business partners. They stagged the whole 9-11 attacks to input fear into the people. The constitution will be changed, soon, to allow foreigner`s to be president. And Arnold will be it. He has admitted to wanted to dominate the world. His father was a Nazi and in his old pictures when he was all mean and buff, he does the nazi pose in almost all of them.
Let`s put fear in our people to brainwash them, make them think we are doing something about it by pointing fingers when in fact it was them all along. Now the people will listen and do as they say.
Hard for me to explain this on a keyboard.....FFS
Let`s put fear in our people to brainwash them, make them think we are doing something about it by pointing fingers when in fact it was them all along. Now the people will listen and do as they say.
Hard for me to explain this on a keyboard.....FFS
#18
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
Anyone remember the very first Iraq war. During desert Shield as they were ammassing this huge coalition the folks back home were having second thoughts. Going to war for oil and a bunch of jaded Kuwait nobilty that fled to paris .Worried about the mother of all battles, lol, we did not know what we had up our sleeve as yet.
So wham bam all over the telly worldwide repeatadly the same blurb. This woman crying said she witnessed the Iraqui soldiers taking babies out of the incubator and taking the incubaters back to Baghdad. We all went nuts and it was like "LETS GET EM, THOSE BASTARDS!!!!"
2 monthst after the war eneded I saw this woman on cnn. She was asked how she could be in Kuwait when she never left San Fransisco. She replied that the cia had given her 15 grand to do the piece.
Now here's the kicker.
The cia head died just prior to the end of the Iraq war and a new head was in place.
When he was asked if this was ll true , and why they did it his reply was simply "Yes it's true. Sometimes we have to fool the American public for their own good"
When the whole weapons of mass destruction deal came out i emailed this reminder to every possible Canadain television newspare i could think of, asking them as well were they gonna fool us again.
No reply , but once on a cbc interview/discussion someone brought up the whole affair and it was shrugged off......
The question for me is not one of cia tactics , but our Canadain media and journalist going along with their horse hockey. Actually did our own RCMP/CISIS whatever? know this was cow cookies.....Did they follow cia tactic to fool us too?
So wham bam all over the telly worldwide repeatadly the same blurb. This woman crying said she witnessed the Iraqui soldiers taking babies out of the incubator and taking the incubaters back to Baghdad. We all went nuts and it was like "LETS GET EM, THOSE BASTARDS!!!!"
2 monthst after the war eneded I saw this woman on cnn. She was asked how she could be in Kuwait when she never left San Fransisco. She replied that the cia had given her 15 grand to do the piece.
Now here's the kicker.
The cia head died just prior to the end of the Iraq war and a new head was in place.
When he was asked if this was ll true , and why they did it his reply was simply "Yes it's true. Sometimes we have to fool the American public for their own good"
When the whole weapons of mass destruction deal came out i emailed this reminder to every possible Canadain television newspare i could think of, asking them as well were they gonna fool us again.
No reply , but once on a cbc interview/discussion someone brought up the whole affair and it was shrugged off......
The question for me is not one of cia tactics , but our Canadain media and journalist going along with their horse hockey. Actually did our own RCMP/CISIS whatever? know this was cow cookies.....Did they follow cia tactic to fool us too?
#19
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
We're told what we want to believe Doc.
It becomes obvious that when CNN or FOX or CBC or Reuters or AP the Washington Post, the New York Times...all parade propaganda in front of the great unwashed that what we're seeing is what our industrialists, our multi-billionaires....our political marionettes...our social-conditioning mechanism that "inform" us that our sexuality our sex-appeal our attitudes about homosexuality, our social-status....who we are are the products of consumption and not really people at all....
We've successfully objectified women.... been at it for years so the "camps" ...adherents to particular propaganda formed around "beliefs" and "ideologies" now the marketting campaign is to establish "camps" around Moslems and Christians and Roman Catholics and Jews....to feed the appetites that we all have...to provide grist for the hate-mills, the entrepeneurs....the middle-men.....
We're conditioned to insensitivity to violence and mayhem....thirty-three young people killed by a lunatic gunman at a local campus pales into insignificance beside the number of people killed daily in Afghanistan or Iraq or many other places around the world...yet with Dr. Phil and Oprah and all the purveyors of self-righteous greedy me-firsts....feeding the disenchanted the lonely the needy and the lost of a society of "consumers" ...a society conditioned to believe in all the "right" things can expand and magnify the situation in Virginia we can all forget about blood running in the streets of nations around the world.
Streets awash in blood that feeds the appetites of the same people who demand that their entitlements to "prosperity" and "conspicuous consumption are served...regardless of cost ...
Regardless of costs in terms of orphans and amputees created at the behest of those appetites...beginning with the innocent men women and children of other nations....first.... a cost that can be ignored.....
Until the body-bag count gets too high...then one of our noble political figures will rise and "Demand Gawd Damnit...!" that something be done about this situation..... To be silenced in Canada because that isn't "party policy" or in the United States by a Congress and a Senate sleeping with the manufacturing and industrial interests of the wealthiest nation on earth...
You tell me who's responsible?
It becomes obvious that when CNN or FOX or CBC or Reuters or AP the Washington Post, the New York Times...all parade propaganda in front of the great unwashed that what we're seeing is what our industrialists, our multi-billionaires....our political marionettes...our social-conditioning mechanism that "inform" us that our sexuality our sex-appeal our attitudes about homosexuality, our social-status....who we are are the products of consumption and not really people at all....
We've successfully objectified women.... been at it for years so the "camps" ...adherents to particular propaganda formed around "beliefs" and "ideologies" now the marketting campaign is to establish "camps" around Moslems and Christians and Roman Catholics and Jews....to feed the appetites that we all have...to provide grist for the hate-mills, the entrepeneurs....the middle-men.....
We're conditioned to insensitivity to violence and mayhem....thirty-three young people killed by a lunatic gunman at a local campus pales into insignificance beside the number of people killed daily in Afghanistan or Iraq or many other places around the world...yet with Dr. Phil and Oprah and all the purveyors of self-righteous greedy me-firsts....feeding the disenchanted the lonely the needy and the lost of a society of "consumers" ...a society conditioned to believe in all the "right" things can expand and magnify the situation in Virginia we can all forget about blood running in the streets of nations around the world.
Streets awash in blood that feeds the appetites of the same people who demand that their entitlements to "prosperity" and "conspicuous consumption are served...regardless of cost ...
Regardless of costs in terms of orphans and amputees created at the behest of those appetites...beginning with the innocent men women and children of other nations....first.... a cost that can be ignored.....
Until the body-bag count gets too high...then one of our noble political figures will rise and "Demand Gawd Damnit...!" that something be done about this situation..... To be silenced in Canada because that isn't "party policy" or in the United States by a Congress and a Senate sleeping with the manufacturing and industrial interests of the wealthiest nation on earth...
You tell me who's responsible?
#20
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 22nd, 2007
It goes beyond that. We believe what we choose to believe, even when given all the information.
#21
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 23rd, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB
ya know mikey if i didn't know better i think yer a tad cynical....We're told what we want to believe Doc.
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:
It becomes obvious that when CNN or FOX or CBC or Reuters or AP the Washington Post, the New York Times...all parade propaganda in front of the great unwashed that what we're seeing is what our industrialists, our multi-billionaires....our political marionettes...our social-conditioning mechanism that "inform" us that our sexuality our sex-appeal our attitudes about homosexuality, our social-status....who we are are the products of consumption and not really people at all....
We've successfully objectified women.... been at it for years so the "camps" ...adherents to particular propaganda formed around "beliefs" and "ideologies" now the marketting campaign is to establish "camps" around Moslems and Christians and Roman Catholics and Jews....to feed the appetites that we all have...to provide grist for the hate-mills, the entrepeneurs....the middle-men.....
We're conditioned to insensitivity to violence and mayhem....thirty-three young people killed by a lunatic gunman at a local campus pales into insignificance beside the number of people killed daily in Afghanistan or Iraq or many other places around the world...yet with Dr. Phil and Oprah and all the purveyors of self-righteous greedy me-firsts....feeding the disenchanted the lonely the needy and the lost of a society of "consumers" ...a society conditioned to believe in all the "right" things can expand and magnify the...
scroll down.....
LOL...had to say it dude...but it's a good reminder. by that i mean left unchecked our commercial society could turn us all into a walking nike commercial......
got an idea for a thread for ya wink
#22
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 26th, 2007
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Little-known documents now being made public detail illegal and scandalous activities by the CIA more than 30 years ago: wiretapping of journalists, kidnappings, warrantless searches and more.
The documents provide a glimpse of nearly 700 pages of materials that the agency plans to declassify next week. A six-page summary memo that was declassified in 2000 and released by The National Security Archive at George Washington University on Thursday outlines 18 activities by the CIA that "presented legal questions" and were discussed with President Ford in 1975.
Among them:
"The documents provide a glimpse of a very different time and a very different agency," Hayden told a conference of historians.
Blanton pointed to more recent concerns, such as post-September 11 programs that included government wiretapping without warrants. "The resonance with today's controversies is just uncanny," he said.
The long-secret documents being released next week were compiled at the direction of then-CIA Director James Schlesinger in 1973. In the wake of the Watergate scandal, he directed senior CIA officials to report immediately on any current or past agency matters that might fall outside the authority of the agency.
A separate memo, also dated 1975 and made public by the National Security Archive, discusses the briefing given to Ford detailing abuses by the spy agency. Then-CIA director William Colby tells the president that the CIA "has done some things it shouldn't have."
Among the activities discussed was the mail program in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Of the airmail received from the Soviet Union, he said, "we have four (letters) to Jane Fonda."
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Little-known documents now being made public detail illegal and scandalous activities by the CIA more than 30 years ago: wiretapping of journalists, kidnappings, warrantless searches and more.
The documents provide a glimpse of nearly 700 pages of materials that the agency plans to declassify next week. A six-page summary memo that was declassified in 2000 and released by The National Security Archive at George Washington University on Thursday outlines 18 activities by the CIA that "presented legal questions" and were discussed with President Ford in 1975.
Among them:
- The "two-year physical confinement" in the mid-1960s of a Soviet defector.
- Assassination plots of foreign leaders, including Fidel Castro.
- CIA wiretapping in 1963 of two columnists, Robert Allen and Paul Scott, following a newspaper column in which national security information was disclosed. The wiretapping revealed calls from 12 senators and six representatives but did not indicate the source of the leak.
- The "personal surveillances" in 1972 of muckraking columnist Jack Anderson and staff members, including Les Whitten and Brit Hume. The surveillance involved watching the targets but no wiretapping. The memo said it followed a series of "tilt toward Pakistan" stories by Anderson.
- The personal surveillance of Washington Post reporter Mike Getler over three months beginning in late 1971. No specific stories are mentioned in the memo.
- CIA screening programs, beginning in the early 1950s and lasting until 1973, in which mail coming into the United States was reviewed and "in some cases opened" from the Soviet Union and China.
- Much of the decades-old activities have been known for years. But Tom Blanton, head of the National Security Archive, said the 1975 summary memo prepared by Justice Department lawyers had never been publicly released. It sheds light on meetings in the top echelon of government that were little known by the public, he said.
"The documents provide a glimpse of a very different time and a very different agency," Hayden told a conference of historians.
Blanton pointed to more recent concerns, such as post-September 11 programs that included government wiretapping without warrants. "The resonance with today's controversies is just uncanny," he said.
The long-secret documents being released next week were compiled at the direction of then-CIA Director James Schlesinger in 1973. In the wake of the Watergate scandal, he directed senior CIA officials to report immediately on any current or past agency matters that might fall outside the authority of the agency.
A separate memo, also dated 1975 and made public by the National Security Archive, discusses the briefing given to Ford detailing abuses by the spy agency. Then-CIA director William Colby tells the president that the CIA "has done some things it shouldn't have."
Among the activities discussed was the mail program in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Of the airmail received from the Soviet Union, he said, "we have four (letters) to Jane Fonda."
Conservative
#23
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jun 29th, 2007
I was a miltary offid cer during the Vietnam war and had plenty of negative feedback about the CIA. Their Air America operation was a real cowboy operation and it worked but resulted in the deaths on many good US military members. My opinion of them then started to sink. My CIA friend told me that any CIA Operational HQ was located based on the number of houses of ill repute operating in the area to service the agents. I couldn't verify it but based on the quality of information we were given by them that may expalin why over 50% of it was bogus.
#24
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 1st, 2007
It's quite simple really. The truth is whatever rich power people determine it is. They tell the news and the news tells the sheeple. It doesn't matter if the today's official truth is a lie or contradicts past official truths. What matters is that the sheeple believe what they've been told by the "news" is the "truth". Most sheeple believe the "truth" without questioning it or thinking very much about it.
So if our governments which were controlled by rich power people were doing those things back then.... then what have they been up to lately?
According to some people here, they have been selflessly bringing democracy, liberty and freedom to the middle east. That's what the news tells us, so it must be the truth.
So if our governments which were controlled by rich power people were doing those things back then.... then what have they been up to lately?
According to some people here, they have been selflessly bringing democracy, liberty and freedom to the middle east. That's what the news tells us, so it must be the truth.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Jul 2nd, 2007 at 06:34 AM..
#25
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 2nd, 2007
In reference to my previous post, here is an example of sheeple being sheeple:
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Does it make sense that sending thousands of soldiers into an area hostile toward the US occupation will reduce violence?
If foreign soldiers kicked down your door and dragged away your family members for Abu Ghraib style interrogation, would you be grateful or even more hostile?
Does it make sense that after bombing Iraq more or less continuously since 1990, imposing punishing economic sanctions which caused millions of deaths through malnutrition and disease, that Iraqis would believe that Americans "come as liberators to Iraq to help them" or believe Americans "come as conquerors to help themselves".
Anyone capable of critical thought should have been able to figure out that the news before the Iraq war was mostly pro-war propaganda designed to support decisions which had already been made by rich powerful people.
When the invasion happened, our news never showed any pictures of the results of the invasion. We are seldom told by our news what it is like to be on the recieving end of our armed invasions. They only showed images which re-inforced the "truth". But other images existed at the time and were readily available to any new outlet willing to publish them:
WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES OF THE US LED LIBERATION OF IRAQ
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Mortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq:
a cross-sectional cluster sample survey
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Few news outlets published pictures and information like the above and therefore the above never happened. Instead the sheeple believe that mostly bad people died during the invasion. Our side uses precision smart bombs which selectively kills just the bad people who deserve it and harms very few innocent people.
But from an Iraqi viewpoint who witnessed the above events first hand, who are the terrorists? If foreigners did this to your country, would you be hostile?
Selective omission of information regarding what happens in Iraq is a daily occurrence. Without knowing all the facts, people can easily be manipulated into coming to false/unrealistic conclusions.
In order to believe new "truths" often means having to forget previous "truths". In order to see through these "truths", usually just requires having a memory and thinking independantly.
When classified information about 9/11 and the Iraq war is released 30 years from now, I doubt we will learn little that couldn't be figured out now.
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If our news and elected leaders were unanimous about the "truth" before the Iraq invasion, then why would we continue to believe these sources today?
Given that our news and our leaders were lying to us 30 years ago and four years ago, how likely is it that these same sources of information continue to tell the "truth".
--
Does it make sense that sending thousands of soldiers into an area hostile toward the US occupation will reduce violence?
If foreign soldiers kicked down your door and dragged away your family members for Abu Ghraib style interrogation, would you be grateful or even more hostile?
Does it make sense that after bombing Iraq more or less continuously since 1990, imposing punishing economic sanctions which caused millions of deaths through malnutrition and disease, that Iraqis would believe that Americans "come as liberators to Iraq to help them" or believe Americans "come as conquerors to help themselves".
Anyone capable of critical thought should have been able to figure out that the news before the Iraq war was mostly pro-war propaganda designed to support decisions which had already been made by rich powerful people.
When the invasion happened, our news never showed any pictures of the results of the invasion. We are seldom told by our news what it is like to be on the recieving end of our armed invasions. They only showed images which re-inforced the "truth". But other images existed at the time and were readily available to any new outlet willing to publish them:
WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES OF THE US LED LIBERATION OF IRAQ
--
Mortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq:
a cross-sectional cluster sample survey
--
Few news outlets published pictures and information like the above and therefore the above never happened. Instead the sheeple believe that mostly bad people died during the invasion. Our side uses precision smart bombs which selectively kills just the bad people who deserve it and harms very few innocent people.
But from an Iraqi viewpoint who witnessed the above events first hand, who are the terrorists? If foreigners did this to your country, would you be hostile?
Selective omission of information regarding what happens in Iraq is a daily occurrence. Without knowing all the facts, people can easily be manipulated into coming to false/unrealistic conclusions.
In order to believe new "truths" often means having to forget previous "truths". In order to see through these "truths", usually just requires having a memory and thinking independantly.
When classified information about 9/11 and the Iraq war is released 30 years from now, I doubt we will learn little that couldn't be figured out now.
--
If our news and elected leaders were unanimous about the "truth" before the Iraq invasion, then why would we continue to believe these sources today?
Given that our news and our leaders were lying to us 30 years ago and four years ago, how likely is it that these same sources of information continue to tell the "truth".
Last edited by earth_as_one; Jul 2nd, 2007 at 07:59 AM..
#26
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 6th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
In reference to my previous post, here is an example of sheeple being sheeple:
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........
If our news and elected leaders were unanimous about the "truth" before the Iraq invasion, then why would we continue to believe these sources today?
Given that our news and our leaders were lying to us 30 years ago and four years ago, how likely is it that these same sources of information continue to tell the "truth".
Exactly, we can smell the hypocrysie behind this, just by looking objectivly at it. we can confirm supported by facts that our leaders are puppets of the coorporations, and if it doesnt change, it will just get worst and worst.
Conservative
#27
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 18th, 2007
The reason the US Foreign Policy is a failure can be defined in three alphabetical letters. C. I. A.
#28
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 18th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Logic 7
Some people have to hit rock bottom before they will choose to make a change. Maybe this is where we are as a culture and society.Exactly, we can smell the hypocrysie behind this, just by looking objectivly at it. we can confirm supported by facts that our leaders are puppets of the coorporations, and if it doesnt change, it will just get worst and worst.
#29
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 18th, 2007Quote:
Here's a thought...Maybe it's not an entire failure. Considering it is in the US's best interest to continue to create instability on the African Continent as well as in the middle east. If those areas had sound governance the access to fuels that the US so desperately needs might get shut off. With instability and no one really in control of those countries the US has a better chance as garnering contracts with the waring factions. Unless the US can install a ruler sympathetic to them they will have lost the opportunity for the US to operate as it does.The reason the US Foreign Policy is a failure can be defined in three alphabetical letters. C. I. A.
#30
Re: Secrets of the CIA
Jul 18th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Twila
BINGO!!!!!Here's a thought...Maybe it's not an entire failure. Considering it is in the US's best interest to continue to create instability on the African Continent as well as in the middle east. If those areas had sound governance the access to fuels that the US so desperately needs might get shut off. With instability and no one really in control of those countries the US has a better chance as garnering contracts with the waring factions. Unless the US can install a ruler sympathetic to them they will have lost the opportunity for the US to operate as it does.
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