One More Notch

Tecumsehsbones
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A 16-year-old who lived in Loudoun County, Va., was shot and killed when he accidentally entered the wrong house.

Caleb Gordley, a popular athlete who had been living in a brick house with his parents and sister for about a year, sneaked out of his house to go to a party with friends after he'd been grounded for not cleaning his room.

When he returned around 2 a.m. he slipped into the house he thought was his. Friends said he had been drinking and mistook his neighbor’s similar house two doors down for his own and climbed in through the back window.
When the burglar alarm sounded, the homeowner treated Caleb as an intruder, and shot and killed him.
Caleb’s father, Shawn Gordley, told The Washington Post, “They have the exact same staircase as us, the exact same carpet. Caleb clearly thought he was in his own house.” He added, “He probably stumbled around and was just trying to go to his room.”

At Sterling Park High school in Sterling, Va., students mourned the loss of a talented athlete. The coach of the basketball team, Mike Koscinski, who had advanced Caleb to varsity this year, said of the junior, “He was the hype man. He got everyone hyped up before games.”

A statement from the family reads, “Between the darkness and him being under the influence of alcohol, his mistake turned into the ultimate tragedy.”

Police are continuing to investigate the shooting, but Virginia law gives “wide latitude to people who fear for their safety when someone breaks into their homes,” according to The Washington Post.

Teen fatally shot when he mistakenly went into wrong house

Kinda makes you wonder. Why didn't the homeowner recognise the kid who lived two houses away?
 
karrie
No Party Affiliation
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My parents woke up one morning with a complete and utter stranger passed out on their couch.

A friend of mine had a drunken neighbour climb through his basement suite window because he couldn't get his key to work (due to it being the wrong house and all).

My hubby's highschool friend walked into the wrong FARM HOUSE as a drunken teen. (The really sad part is he drove there).

Mistakes happen. I'm glad the first reactions of these people weren't to shoot first, ask questions later.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Let that be a lesson to all teens: clean your rooms!
 
Spade
Free Thinker
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America-land of the free and home of the brave (gunowner).
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
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Its not even so much the gun part of life, it has become the Fear part of life.
Two centuries ago this could be expected as people on the frontier had to
protect themselves from intruders who would do harm. Society evolved and
that was not to happen anymore. The problem is the government and the
powers that be re-introduced fear instead of expectation and now we have
a return to the wild west in mentality.
When these events end in gunfire the safety of the society itself is under attack.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Its not even so much the gun part of life, it has become the Fear part of life.
Two centuries ago this could be expected as people on the frontier had to
protect themselves from intruders who would do harm.

Yeah! How dare those sub-human savages defend their homes from invasion!

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Society evolved and that was not to happen anymore.

Hmmm. . . interesting. I never really thought of finishing a successful genocide project as "evolution." I'll have to ponder that one.

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The problem is the government and the powers that be re-introduced fear instead of expectation and now we have a return to the wild west in mentality. When these events end in gunfire the safety of the society itself is under attack.

I think maybe you give the government and the "powers that be" credit for more power than they really have.
 
karrie
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Yeah! How dare those sub-human savages defend their homes from invasion!

The purpose of a gun is to protect your family, not your home. There's always a very real possibility that a 'home invasion' has no violent intent. To be a responsible gun owner, you need to be aware of that and able to control yourself enough to pause a beat and make sure you're not gunning down someone with zero intent to injure you. A gun is a deterrent at the theft level, and a weapon ONLY at the self defense level. They were not in a position to need to defend themselves with force.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
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Those powers that be were instituted to ensure we could sleep safely in our beds
Its not the powers that be that are the problem its the fine citizens who insist on
killing each other in this case a neighbour who entered the wrong home.
I am not against defending one's family but shooting someone from down the street
is just plain nuts.
Karrie is right the gun was allowed to protect family members not property as per say.
reason has to prevail. If it were a home invasion you resist if its a neighbour you should
take that into account unless of course the neighbour has been involved in home invasions.
What I can't get over is people decry the police until they need them and they don't
understand the equation, the police are provided by the powers that be with your tax dollars.
The powers that be are actually collectively you and I and if we can't trust them we
can't trust us,. Back to my original comment when this begins to happen we should be more
concerned the society itself is slowly sinking.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Those powers that be were instituted to ensure we could sleep safely in our beds

I think you're gonna have to define "powers that be" before this conversation can be productive.

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Its not the powers that be that are the problem its the fine citizens who insist on
killing each other in this case a neighbour who entered the wrong home.

What? I thought you were just accusing the PTB of creating fear and stuff.

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I am not against defending one's family but shooting someone from down the street
is just plain nuts.

You clearly haven't lived on some of the streets I've lived on.
 
skookumchuck
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

I think you're gonna have to define "powers that be" before this conversation can be productive.


What? I thought you were just accusing the PTB of creating fear and stuff.


You clearly haven't lived on some of the streets I've lived on.


You are dealing with a "perfect world" bunch here. Don't expect logic.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
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Every year I consider shooting people in tourist season (some of the locals, too). I think they'd out to do me and my family some harm.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by skookumchuckView Post

You are dealing with a "perfect world" bunch here. Don't expect logic.

Oh, right. Thanks.
 
spaminator
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Teen fatally shot when he mistakenly went into wrong house

Kinda makes you wonder. Why didn't the homeowner recognise the kid who lived two houses away?

he might have. he might have thought that the kid had come to rob, rape, murder, etc.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by spaminatorView Post

he might have. he might have thought that the kid had come to rob, rape, murder, etc.

I would hope he would not think that, absent some evidence beyond the kid's mere presence in the house.

I don't suppose we'll ever know. The kid ain't talking, and the Castle Doctrine is pretty strong in Virginia.
 
Christianna
No Party Affiliation
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I'd hate to be so fearful all the time. It was ramped up after 9-11 and people seem to be more and more afraid of their neighbors , strangers and pretty much everyone. If bin Laden wanted to terrorize the entire nation it seems to have worked.
 
JamesBondo
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

The purpose of a gun is to protect your family, not your home. There's always a very real possibility that a 'home invasion' has no violent intent. To be a responsible gun owner, you need to be aware of that and able to control yourself enough to pause a beat and make sure you're not gunning down someone with zero intent to injure you. A gun is a deterrent at the theft level, and a weapon ONLY at the self defense level. They were not in a position to need to defend themselves with force.

You have to consider the homeowner's right to citizen's arrest. They have the right to arrest someone that has violated their home and the security of their family. If the thief get's dumb or resistant, they escalate the situation into one where the homeowner may now be scared sh!ttless. A homeowner that is scared has the right to shoot, mostly because it is unreasonable to think that a threatening person will stop his attack or stop short of killing the homeowner, should they ever get the advantage on the homeowner.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

The purpose of a gun is to protect your family, not your home. There's always a very real possibility that a 'home invasion' has no violent intent. To be a responsible gun owner, you need to be aware of that and able to control yourself enough to pause a beat and make sure you're not gunning down someone with zero intent to injure you. A gun is a deterrent at the theft level, and a weapon ONLY at the self defense level. They were not in a position to need to defend themselves with force.

The purpose of my rifles is to provide for my family before anything else. It is the nefarious side of society that makes me consider other uses for firearms including protecting my property and my home. I am not about to let anyone invade my home for any reason including to preserve a criminal's life. I will give a warning shot and attempt to detain the perp for the authorities, I will even let them run away without firing again but they will in no way get to take my stuff without suffering the consequences of their bad decisions. It might help to make others with bad intentions reconsider.

I'm sorry K but I cannot agree to allow theft or other transgression against my property to be done just to preserve the life of a criminal as it just promotes others with bad intentions to continue there being no consequences or retribution.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I'm sorry K but I cannot agree to allow theft or other transgression against my property to be done just to preserve the life of a criminal as it just promotes others with bad intentions to continue there being no consequences or retribution.

So the drunk that mistakenly walks through the wrong unlocked front door deserves to die?
 
55Mercury
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It's too bad about our species' propensity to too quickly jump to conclusions and over-react.

So I've dug out an old vine post of mine as it somehow relates to the home intruder theme and its challenge to compassion and human decency.

My daughter was born in '90. I wrote this in the late nineties.

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[quote user="KeithP"]Surely, there are some decent people out there...
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Of course there are, though they're likely not too concerned with blowing their horns about it. But then you are asking about anonymous giving, which is an interesting aspect of it.

I've given anonymously on occasion (besides giving to a charity, because you're always anonymous to the end-line recipient), like putting money in an envelope in the door of someone you know who needs it but are probably too proud to accept it from you.

Then other times you wonder if someone fully appreciates what you've done for them:

I've thought about writing about something for a long time, so I guess now's as good a time as any.

When my daughter was just a few months old, around late November, 1990, her mom and I had turned in for the evening. It was late. If it was before or after midnight, I don't exactly recall, but it was likely after. Our baby was sleeping in her room at the end of the hall, and we were beginning to doze off when Lo, now my ex, shook me to consciousness saying someone came into the house. Sure enough, when I sat up we saw someone go past our door, slightly ajar, and in the direction of the living room, but our daughter's room was also in that direction.

I made an immediate b-line for the kitchen, which this character had just passed through, and to the drawer which held our largest knives. Lo was right behind me when she pointed out that our intruder had not only scaled the child's safety gate which was by our side door, his point of entry, situated at the top of the basement stairway, but he had also removed his boots! ?

I immediately took the knife and started for my daughter's room, but noticed someone lying on the livingroom couch, so there I confronted him. I asked him questions he didn't have answers for and I could easily ascertain his state of inebriation.

Lo had the phone at the ready and was beginning to dial 911 when I made a quick judgement call - I simply told her "don't call the cops." I told her this guy was just drunk and lost and wanted to sleep. So I let him. I told him he could sleep there but to "don't mind me if I sit right here with this knife and watch you all night long" - which I did.

Of course while he slept I took the liberty to snap a photo of him just in case we learned of any strange happenings in our neighbourhood in the following days - there were none.

In the morning we fed him breakfast and coffee, and after he gave some explanation of himself and expressed his gratitude, he went on his way home never to cross our threshhold again.

Funny thing is, we always lock our doors! This was like, the only night ever in which we failed to lock it and, sure enough, and lucky for that fellow, it's the only time anyone has ever intruded into our home.

Now, I certainly don't recommend anyone do what I did, but it was just one of those situations where my instincts, the kid's gate left up, and the fact he'd removed his shoes, told me that this guy was not here to harm us, so I took a calculated risk and opted for compassion over the heavy hand of the law.

Besides, I'd been there before. I'd been so drunk that I trespassed and slept in someone's vehicle, and though I'd gotten out of there before being discovered, I would hope that if I had been, that someone would've shown me the same compassion instead of turning me in to the police. And since God had got me off the hook that time (by waking me at first light) I figured I owed Him one. Well... I owe Him a bunch, actually.

:?)
 
CDNBear
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Merc, it's a good thing he crossed your path, and not that of some of the homicidal loons that infest this site at times.

I tip my hat at your restraint and critical thinking.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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You showed remarkable presence of mind and clarity of thought for a man awakened to a potential crisis with his infant daughter at risk. I commend you.

Question. If you had had a gun instead of a knife, what are the odds you would have shot before you went through the (very sharp) analytical process you describe?
 
55Mercury
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Tec, if I had a gun at the ready, I would not have shot as the fellow was not in attack mode. Under other circumstances who knows? It's for defense of person, not evicting someone via hearse or ambulance just because of some silly perceived 'right'.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by 55MercuryView Post

Tec, if I had a gun at the ready, I would not have shot as the fellow was not in attack mode. Under other circumstances who knows?

Good enough.

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It's for defense of person, not evicting someone via hearse or ambulance just because of some silly perceived 'right'.

Dead on. (No pun intended.)
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

So the drunk that mistakenly walks through the wrong unlocked front door deserves to die?

I didn't say that. You are so hell bent on your portrayal of me as a homocidal maniac you don't even bother to read or comprehend what is in black & white on the screen in front of you. I am not going to waste my time reiterating what was in my post as it would obviously be lost on someone like you with nothing but vitriol and animosity toward those who can see through your lack of self-confidence and your inferiority complex as displayed in all your posts attempting to be superior to all who might post on this forum. Your tone of arrogance and self-importance belies your actual feelings of diminished worth as a person. My guess is you were abused as a child.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I didn't say that.

Close enough, and combined with the statements you made about murdering unarmed civilians in the Cyprus Haircut thread, I really don't have to expand on where the observation finds it's basis.

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You are so hell bent on your portrayal of me as a homocidal maniac you don't even bother to read or comprehend what is in black & white on the screen in front of you.

I'm not hell bent on anything, it's based on your own statements, where you have stated murdering unarmed civilians is OK.

At the very least, giving people you find guilty of a lessor crime, a limp.

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I am not going to waste my time reiterating what was in my post as it would obviously be lost on someone like you with nothing but vitriol and animosity toward those who can see through your lack of self-confidence and your inferiority complex as displayed in all your posts attempting to be superior to all who might post on this forum.

I don't think I'm superior to all on this forum.

I see most members as equals, some I see as superior to me, in some ways, Gh comes to mind.

There are, however, people I am superior to, period. You would definitely fall into that category for sure.

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Your tone of arrogance and self-importance belies your actual feelings of diminished worth as a person.

Based on your past observations, and how quickly they were dispatched by fact, there's no reason to see that assessment as anything more than the manifestation of your hurt feelings.

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My guess is you were abused as a child.

Nope. No one in my life was anything like you, not even the Nuns and Priests.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Close enough, and combined with the statements you made about murdering unarmed civilians in the Cyprus Haircut thread, I really don't have to expand on where the observation finds it's basis.

I'm not hell bent on anything, it's based on your own statements, where you have stated murdering unarmed civilians is OK.

It would seem that a lot of states & countries not only murder unarmed civilians but do it while they are unsuspecting (ie bombing villages from drones) or even handcuffed or restrained (ie use of the death penalty). I do believe some people deserve to die for their crimes against humanity as a whole and those that direct the global banking mechanism are definitely included in that group.
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At the very least, giving people you find guilty of a lessor crime, a limp.

Yep, not only does it identify them to others as a criminal but it slows them down from trying again. You may want to give a thief 9 or 10 chances at stealing people's stuff before they get a month or 2 in prison but I believe making the punishment count the first time is the way to curb crime.
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I don't think I'm superior to all on this forum.

Yes you do, it shows in your posts. Obviously denial is not just a river in Egypt when it comes to you.
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I see most members as equals, some I see as superior to me, in some ways, Gh comes to mind.

Funny you should name a devout catholic who wants to force everyone to live by his beliefs as your superior. He lacks the mental capacity and understanding of free-will in humanity to be superior to anything but a shrubbery.
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There are, however, people I am superior to, period. You would definitely fall into that category for sure.

LOL!
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Nope. No one in my life was anything like you, not even the Nuns and Priests.

I have never been abusive to anyone or anything. I have certainly defended myself at times but never started a fight or just been mean for the sake of it. I don't kick cats & dogs, I don't harm any animal other than to go in my freezer and I have definitely never abused another human, but once again you project what you would like me to be so you can feel superior when it is nothing like me in RL at all. I feel sorry for you having to live such a life where you need to build yourself up by knocking others down.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Teen fatally shot when he mistakenly went into wrong house

Why didn't the homeowner recognise the kid who lived two houses away?

Maybe he did.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post


Funny you should name a devout catholic who wants to force everyone to live by his beliefs as your superior. He lacks the mental capacity and understanding of free-will in humanity to be superior to anything but a shrubbery.


ROFLMFAO..... you have now proven you have no working brain cells what so ever.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

ROFLMFAO..... you have now proven you have no working brain cells what so ever.

I thought you might like that description....
 
Liberalman
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People do stupid things like that guy who flew a plane and fell out of it because he did not have his seatbelt on the police just found the body aqnd that happenned in America the land of the free
 
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