Obama's SOTU Address Sophistry


TeddyBallgame
+1
#1
- I must say that I was impressed with BO's undoubted ability to tell the most outrageous lies with a straight face and a convinving voice and manner. For example, he prefaced and closed every one in his lengthy laundry list of new government programs with "it will not add one dime to the national debt". BO's been making that absurd claim for over four years now even though he has actually added OVER 68 TRILLION DIMES to the national debt.

- In addition to his lies, I was also impressed with the way he cherry picked the facts, grasping at the most tenuous bits of good news while ignoring the most substantive and worrisome pieces of bad news. For example, he bragged about six million new jobs being created on his watch. But he ignored the reality that unemployment is even higher now than it was when he took office and that workforce participation is the lowest in over thirty years and that there are actually fewer jobs now in net terms than there were when he was sworn in and that the economy actually shrank in the last quarter and that business confidence is at an all time low, etc., etc.

- As well as his lies and his cherry picking of the facts, I was also impressed with how he uses more innocuous wrods to con the rubes that what he is doing - transforming the US into a social democratic western European style state with much bigger government and the horrendously higher bills to be paid by higher taxes on everybody and by gutting the military and by borrowing from China - isn[t really so alarming. For example, he didn't use the term "government spending" because he knows that even some of the morons are concerned about government spending and also know that such spending tends to mostly go into the pockets of government employees so instead he spoke about "investments" by government. And he didn't speak about "tax increases" since most Americans are already taxed to death but instead he spoke about "new revenue sources" and BS like that.

- Finally, I was impressed with Obama's ability to completely ignore facts, logic and history and actually believe that the way to restore business confidence and investment and create new jobs is with ever higher taxes, debt and government regulations and that a dollar spent by bureaucrats in Washington is magically more effective and efficient than a dollar spent by entrepreneurs in the real world and the competitive market and that he - a person who never before in his life ran anything but his big mouth - was better able to pick the industrial winners and losers of the future than were experienced, successful business leaders. It all sounded like either BO has fallen even more in love with himself or that his great friend and dope peddler from Hawaii has made contact with him again.

- What a bloody farce is this clown and the SOTU address that his new speechwriter crafted for him.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
+3
#2
yeah yeah; Dems are devils and Reps are saints.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+2
#3
Apparently teddy has a problem with the will of the people when it doesn't go his way.
 
TeddyBallgame
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Apparently teddy has a problem with the will of the people when it doesn't go his way.

- Apparently, taxslave is so incredibly retarded or in love with BO that he sincerely believes a politician who wins an election by 3 points is thereby entitled to lie, cherry pick the facts, use words that obscure unpleasant truths, and champion already failed policies without any opposition for the the next four years.

- But I don't buy it.
 
earth_as_one
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#5  Top Rated Post
Actually Bush Jr did it for 8 and he didn't win by as wide a margin as Obama.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+2
#6
Hate me too, Teddy?
Love and kisses,
Spade
PS
Where's my valentine?
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
+2
#7
There are some who understand the Republican Agenda defeated the right wing in America
because more people were willing to make sacrifices rather than succumb to the concept of
be afraid of everything. Friends like Teddy can't understand the concept at all and keep on
whining about what might have been. I think i have it right Teddy believes democracy is
just fine as long as its convenient. Face it, the big red portion of the map came in areas where
the people are born again evangelical what ever. I sometimes refer to it as Jesus Land. The
heavy urban area have many people of faith as well so what is the difference? Urban people
are made up of many different faiths, many have no faith at all and the rest are Christmas
Christian so to speak. These people see the world differently as they live in a different world.
There are broader issues than just twentieth century conservatism and religion.
In that context they have move on. Those people do not support hardcore right or fanatical left.
the problem for the Republicans is this, they have been invaded by Tea Party ultra conservatism
and the Evangelicals who are trying to control a narrow party agenda. When that happens people
tune them out and they LOSE and that is what happened. Want to see a real train wreck Teddy.
That is coming in mid term elections if the Republicans don't go more to the (should I say it? Ya)
Left
 
Highball
+1
#8
Now we are seeing a more experienced politician at work. Say a whole lot, do it in flowery words and then in the final analysis we realize he really said nothing of substance. If BS were brass he'd own a full Symphonic Orchestra.
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
+5
#9
Yes, how dare Obama be an optimist. Doesn't he know it his job to depress spirits?

The first point has been debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us...dget.html?_r=0 The increased deficits are largely due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that Bush started which would have been projected deficits at Bush's time except for the flaming pants trickery.

People in general don't want smaller government, they want government that works. For a country that is already spending more public money per capita than the majority of these despised socialist countries, the fact that people are routinely hung out to dry should be a national shame. The US government is highly inept compared to its peers. Obama at least tried to turn that around.

If you really want to complain about Obama, how about him claiming the power of kings? If he claims the right to assassinate his own citizens without due process far from any battlefield in a foreign land, if the US claims that foreigners do not even have 4th amendment rights, what should the rest of us peasantry feel? What claimed power can be more tyrannical than the unchecked power to kill?
 
TeddyBallgame
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

1/ There are some who understand the Republican Agenda defeated the right wing in America
because more people were willing to make sacrifices rather than succumb to the concept of
be afraid of everything. 2/ I think i have it right Teddy believes democracy is
just fine as long as its convenient.

- 1/ demonstrates clearly that you are an idiot and 2/ demonstrates equally clearly that you are a BS artiste.

- 1/ People did not elect Obama because they were willing to make sacrifices and since the top 10% already pay 70% of the income taxes it is certainly arguable that these people are already making sufficient sacrifices. Rather, the people who elected Obama by 3 points were disproportionately the people who believed they would score more government handouts from other people's money under Obama. You know, the people who said they voted for him because he "gave" them free phones, the 47% of the people who pay no federal income tax whatsoever and receive in unprecedented numbers things like food stamps and extended unemployment benefits and long term disability payments, etc. So you are an idiot because your interpretation of the voting results is precisely the opposite of reality.

2/ You are a BS artiste, like almost all union leaders, because you have put words in my mouth that I never spoke nor thought nor argued. I took issue here with taxslaves' ridiculous argument that Obama is now exempt from any criticism and can lie, cherry pick, use words designed to conceal his real intentions and advocate stupid things at will because he won the election. I argue that winning an election in a democracy with free speech and with checks and balances in three branches of government and the constitution does not make you dictator for four years or above any criticism. Why don't you stop being a disgustingly dishonest **** (after all, you're no longer a union leader) and deal with what I actually said rather than with things that I never said?

PS ... Gotta go because it is Valentine's Day. So you can make up more **** about me and put more words in my mouth with impunity.
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

PS ... Gotta go because it is Valentine's Day. So you can make up more **** about me and put more words in my mouth with impunity.

Really? I have your permission?

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

-Gotta go, my boyfriend is calling me.

(I've personified you as a girl... I am actually unsure of your gender. No offense meant.)
 
gerryh
+1
#12
Wow, 47% of Americans make so little money that they don't pay income tax? And those are the people that elected Obama? So, that would mean that those 47%'s are from the republican administration' time in office? Or is teddy just full of shyte like he keeps accusing others of being?
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Actually Bush Jr did it for 8 and he didn't win by as wide a margin as Obama.

But teddy has george the lessor's c ock firmly stuck in his mouth.

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- 1/ demonstrates clearly that you are an idiot and 2/ demonstrates equally clearly that you are a BS artiste.
- 1/ People did not elect Obama because they were willing to make sacrifices and since the top 10% already pay 70% of the income taxes it is certainly arguable that these people are already making sufficient sacrifices. Rather, the people who elected Obama by 3 points were disproportionately the people who believed they would score more government handouts from other people's money under Obama. You know, the people who said they voted for him because he "gave" them free phones, the 47% of the people who pay no federal income tax whatsoever and receive in unprecedented numbers things like food stamps and extended unemployment benefits and long term disability payments, etc. So you are an idiot because your interpretation of the voting results is precisely the opposite of reality.
2/ You are a BS artiste, like almost all union leaders, because you have put words in my mouth that I never spoke nor thought nor argued. I took issue here with taxslaves' ridiculous argument that Obama is now exempt from any criticism and can lie, cherry pick, use words designed to conceal his real intentions and advocate stupid things at will because he won the election. I argue that winning an election in a democracy with free speech and with checks and balances in three branches of government and the constitution does not make you dictator for four...

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ROFLMAO
Dam near pissed my pants laughing so hard.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+2
#14
Quote:

"it will not add one dime to the national debt". BO's been making that absurd claim for over four years now even though he has actually added OVER 68 TRILLION DIMES to the national debt.


 
darkbeaver
Republican
+2
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Yes, how dare Obama be an optimist. Doesn't he know it his job to depress spirits?

The first point has been debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us...dget.html?_r=0 The increased deficits are largely due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that Bush started which would have been projected deficits at Bush's time except for the flaming pants trickery.

People in general don't want smaller government, they want government that works. For a country that is already spending more public money per capita than the majority of these despised socialist countries, the fact that people are routinely hung out to dry should be a national shame. The US government is highly inept compared to its peers. Obama at least tried to turn that around.

If you really want to complain about Obama, how about him claiming the power of kings? If he claims the right to assassinate his own citizens without due process far from any battlefield in a foreign land, if the US claims that foreigners do not even have 4th amendment rights, what should the rest of us peasantry feel? What claimed power can be more tyrannical than the unchecked power to kill?

the unchecked power to tax maybe, death would be escape
 
EagleSmack
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Wow, 47% of Americans make so little money that they don't pay income tax? And those are the people that elected Obama? So, that would mean that those 47%'s are from the republican administration' time in office? Or is teddy just full of shyte like he keeps accusing others of being?

Yeah that makes sense.Geez.
 
DaSleeper
+3
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

There you go quoting Nancy Pelosi
Any time I see a graft, I check,...they get manipulated too easily....
I believe you love this web site...FactCheck.org : Dueling Debt Deceptions

Quote:


It’s not true, for example, that the debt has increased only 16 percent since Obama took office. That erroneous calculation originally came from the office of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi. And — despite being corrected later — it has continued to circulate via email.
Even the corrected version, currently appearing on the site of the liberal group MoveOn.org and Pelosi’s Flickr site, is many months out of date as of this writing. It shows a 35 percent increase for Obama, which is now far too low.
And it’s also untrue — as claimed in a graphic widely circulated by email and in social media postings — that the debt has increased more under Obama than under all previous 43 presidents combined. In fact, as of Jan. 31, 2012, the rise under Obama had yet to surpass the rise under his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Quote has been trimmed
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
#18
Amazing how that works, eh?

Despite Obama having increased the debt by an amount that is more than all other admins combined, you'll still have those that will refuse to accept the reailty
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

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Your graph is unbe(effing)lievable. Let's start a graph war.

 
earth_as_one
#20
Aren't you forgetting something?
Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
TeddyBallgame
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

(I've personified you as a filthy faggot just like myself and I can't help fantasizing about when we can be together and I can get to gobble on your giant nob ... I am actually unsure of your gender. No offense meant.)

- Niflmir ... Of course you meant no offence when you maliciously falsified my quote nor would I if I ever did the same thing to you.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Aren't you forgetting something?
Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

George the lessor had an economic policy?
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- Niflmir ... Of course you meant no offence when you maliciously falsified my quote nor would I if I ever did the same thing to you.

Did I touch a nerve by doing exactly as you requested?

Most people outgrow the, "I'll insult you with the exact same insult," phase by the time they are 6 and realize it makes them look petty and unimaginative. Are you old enough to be on this forum? Although, given the age demographic of republican party ideologues (no offense to you swing voters), perhaps you are so old you have forgotten how to properly insult a person. Only in a small mind (apparently, yours) is it in insult to be called homosexual or a female, which is why I pointed out that no offense was meant.
 
EagleSmack
+3
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

There you go quoting Nancy Pelosi
Any time I see a graft, I check,...they get manipulated too easily....
I believe you love this web site...FactCheck.org : Dueling Debt Deceptions

DaS... the Democrat leadership knows their base and their base is not very bright. All they need to do is lie once and that is enough. They get it. They have finally figured it out. They now know facts are not needed.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Amazing how that works, eh?

Despite Obama having increased the debt by an amount that is more than all other admins combined, you'll still have those that will refuse to accept the reailty

With their base is as stupid as they are it is no longer amazing to me. It used to amaze me but no longer.
 
earth_as_one
-1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

DaS... the Democrat leadership knows their base and their base is not very bright. All they need to do is lie once and that is enough. They get it. They have finally figured it out. They now know facts are not needed...

example please
Last edited by earth_as_one; Feb 15th, 2013 at 06:04 PM..
 
EagleSmack
+1
#26
One need only scroll up and there is your example.
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
+4
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

DaS... the Democrat leadership knows their base and their base is not very bright. All they need to do is lie once and that is enough. They get it. They have finally figured it out. They now know facts are not needed.

The base of any political party is never bright. Almost by definition. It is as simple as this: the base will never vote for the other party. So why pander to the base? The swing votes get pandered to and the base gets ignored. The rhetoric is framed in terms the base appreciates, the follow through is determined by the will of the swing votes if the candidate is politically savvy.

For all the GOP's talk of not being dependent, they states where they win are overwhelmingly the states that are taking in more federal money than they pay in taxes. The GOP base are the dependents!

A person who cannot imagine a situation where they would change who they vote for ought to entertain the notion that they are not very bright.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#28
Yup ..................

Obama Phone Official AUTOTUNE - quotBest Obama Phone Remixquot - YouTube

 
EagleSmack
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post


For all the GOP's talk of not being dependent, they states where they win are overwhelmingly the states that are taking in more federal money than they pay in taxes. The GOP base are the dependents!

.

Let me guess... funding for cities like Atlanta, Houston, Miami, New Orleans, Mobile, Dallas, Memphis, etc. Seeing a pattern here?

I need look no further than my Blue state of Massachusetts to see through that foolishness. The cities that get the most in funding are the worst areas, worst schools, most corruption, most crime, etc.

You aren't going to find many Republicans at the public trough.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Let me guess... funding for cities like Atlanta, Houston, Miami, New Orleans, Mobile, Dallas, Memphis, etc. Seeing a pattern here?

I need look no further than my Blue state of Massachusetts to see through that foolishness. The cities that get the most in funding are the worst areas, worst schools, most corruption, most crime, etc.

You aren't going to find many Republicans at the public trough.

Most crime, most corruption? These are the republican states. Kind of shows where the money goes don't it?

Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

The base of any political party is never bright. Almost by definition. It is as simple as this: the base will never vote for the other party. So why pander to the base? The swing votes get pandered to and the base gets ignored. The rhetoric is framed in terms the base appreciates, the follow through is determined by the will of the swing votes if the candidate is politically savvy.

For all the GOP's talk of not being dependent, they states where they win are overwhelmingly the states that are taking in more federal money than they pay in taxes. The GOP base are the dependents!

A person who cannot imagine a situation where they would change who they vote for ought to entertain the notion that they are not very bright.

That does fit on both extremes all right. Not so much in the middle where voters kind of go back and forth in search of a good politician. Probably better odds of winning the lottery.
 

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