Obama's SOTU Address Sophistry

TeddyBallgame

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- I must say that I was impressed with BO's undoubted ability to tell the most outrageous lies with a straight face and a convinving voice and manner. For example, he prefaced and closed every one in his lengthy laundry list of new government programs with "it will not add one dime to the national debt". BO's been making that absurd claim for over four years now even though he has actually added OVER 68 TRILLION DIMES to the national debt.

- In addition to his lies, I was also impressed with the way he cherry picked the facts, grasping at the most tenuous bits of good news while ignoring the most substantive and worrisome pieces of bad news. For example, he bragged about six million new jobs being created on his watch. But he ignored the reality that unemployment is even higher now than it was when he took office and that workforce participation is the lowest in over thirty years and that there are actually fewer jobs now in net terms than there were when he was sworn in and that the economy actually shrank in the last quarter and that business confidence is at an all time low, etc., etc.

- As well as his lies and his cherry picking of the facts, I was also impressed with how he uses more innocuous wrods to con the rubes that what he is doing - transforming the US into a social democratic western European style state with much bigger government and the horrendously higher bills to be paid by higher taxes on everybody and by gutting the military and by borrowing from China - isn[t really so alarming. For example, he didn't use the term "government spending" because he knows that even some of the morons are concerned about government spending and also know that such spending tends to mostly go into the pockets of government employees so instead he spoke about "investments" by government. And he didn't speak about "tax increases" since most Americans are already taxed to death but instead he spoke about "new revenue sources" and BS like that.

- Finally, I was impressed with Obama's ability to completely ignore facts, logic and history and actually believe that the way to restore business confidence and investment and create new jobs is with ever higher taxes, debt and government regulations and that a dollar spent by bureaucrats in Washington is magically more effective and efficient than a dollar spent by entrepreneurs in the real world and the competitive market and that he - a person who never before in his life ran anything but his big mouth - was better able to pick the industrial winners and losers of the future than were experienced, successful business leaders. It all sounded like either BO has fallen even more in love with himself or that his great friend and dope peddler from Hawaii has made contact with him again.

- What a bloody farce is this clown and the SOTU address that his new speechwriter crafted for him.
 

TeddyBallgame

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Apparently teddy has a problem with the will of the people when it doesn't go his way.

- Apparently, taxslave is so incredibly retarded or in love with BO that he sincerely believes a politician who wins an election by 3 points is thereby entitled to lie, cherry pick the facts, use words that obscure unpleasant truths, and champion already failed policies without any opposition for the the next four years.

- But I don't buy it.
 

damngrumpy

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There are some who understand the Republican Agenda defeated the right wing in America
because more people were willing to make sacrifices rather than succumb to the concept of
be afraid of everything. Friends like Teddy can't understand the concept at all and keep on
whining about what might have been. I think i have it right Teddy believes democracy is
just fine as long as its convenient. Face it, the big red portion of the map came in areas where
the people are born again evangelical what ever. I sometimes refer to it as Jesus Land. The
heavy urban area have many people of faith as well so what is the difference? Urban people
are made up of many different faiths, many have no faith at all and the rest are Christmas
Christian so to speak. These people see the world differently as they live in a different world.
There are broader issues than just twentieth century conservatism and religion.
In that context they have move on. Those people do not support hardcore right or fanatical left.
the problem for the Republicans is this, they have been invaded by Tea Party ultra conservatism
and the Evangelicals who are trying to control a narrow party agenda. When that happens people
tune them out and they LOSE and that is what happened. Want to see a real train wreck Teddy.
That is coming in mid term elections if the Republicans don't go more to the (should I say it? Ya)
Left
 

Highball

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Now we are seeing a more experienced politician at work. Say a whole lot, do it in flowery words and then in the final analysis we realize he really said nothing of substance. If BS were brass he'd own a full Symphonic Orchestra.
 

Niflmir

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Yes, how dare Obama be an optimist. Doesn't he know it his job to depress spirits?

The first point has been debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html?_r=0 The increased deficits are largely due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that Bush started which would have been projected deficits at Bush's time except for the flaming pants trickery.

People in general don't want smaller government, they want government that works. For a country that is already spending more public money per capita than the majority of these despised socialist countries, the fact that people are routinely hung out to dry should be a national shame. The US government is highly inept compared to its peers. Obama at least tried to turn that around.

If you really want to complain about Obama, how about him claiming the power of kings? If he claims the right to assassinate his own citizens without due process far from any battlefield in a foreign land, if the US claims that foreigners do not even have 4th amendment rights, what should the rest of us peasantry feel? What claimed power can be more tyrannical than the unchecked power to kill?
 

TeddyBallgame

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1/ There are some who understand the Republican Agenda defeated the right wing in America
because more people were willing to make sacrifices rather than succumb to the concept of
be afraid of everything. 2/ I think i have it right Teddy believes democracy is
just fine as long as its convenient.

- 1/ demonstrates clearly that you are an idiot and 2/ demonstrates equally clearly that you are a BS artiste.

- 1/ People did not elect Obama because they were willing to make sacrifices and since the top 10% already pay 70% of the income taxes it is certainly arguable that these people are already making sufficient sacrifices. Rather, the people who elected Obama by 3 points were disproportionately the people who believed they would score more government handouts from other people's money under Obama. You know, the people who said they voted for him because he "gave" them free phones, the 47% of the people who pay no federal income tax whatsoever and receive in unprecedented numbers things like food stamps and extended unemployment benefits and long term disability payments, etc. So you are an idiot because your interpretation of the voting results is precisely the opposite of reality.

2/ You are a BS artiste, like almost all union leaders, because you have put words in my mouth that I never spoke nor thought nor argued. I took issue here with taxslaves' ridiculous argument that Obama is now exempt from any criticism and can lie, cherry pick, use words designed to conceal his real intentions and advocate stupid things at will because he won the election. I argue that winning an election in a democracy with free speech and with checks and balances in three branches of government and the constitution does not make you dictator for four years or above any criticism. Why don't you stop being a disgustingly dishonest **** (after all, you're no longer a union leader) and deal with what I actually said rather than with things that I never said?

PS ... Gotta go because it is Valentine's Day. So you can make up more **** about me and put more words in my mouth with impunity.
 

gerryh

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Wow, 47% of Americans make so little money that they don't pay income tax? And those are the people that elected Obama? So, that would mean that those 47%'s are from the republican administration' time in office? Or is teddy just full of shyte like he keeps accusing others of being?
 

taxslave

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Actually Bush Jr did it for 8 and he didn't win by as wide a margin as Obama.

But teddy has george the lessor's c ock firmly stuck in his mouth.

- 1/ demonstrates clearly that you are an idiot and 2/ demonstrates equally clearly that you are a BS artiste.

- 1/ People did not elect Obama because they were willing to make sacrifices and since the top 10% already pay 70% of the income taxes it is certainly arguable that these people are already making sufficient sacrifices. Rather, the people who elected Obama by 3 points were disproportionately the people who believed they would score more government handouts from other people's money under Obama. You know, the people who said they voted for him because he "gave" them free phones, the 47% of the people who pay no federal income tax whatsoever and receive in unprecedented numbers things like food stamps and extended unemployment benefits and long term disability payments, etc. So you are an idiot because your interpretation of the voting results is precisely the opposite of reality.

2/ You are a BS artiste, like almost all union leaders, because you have put words in my mouth that I never spoke nor thought nor argued. I took issue here with taxslaves' ridiculous argument that Obama is now exempt from any criticism and can lie, cherry pick, use words designed to conceal his real intentions and advocate stupid things at will because he won the election. I argue that winning an election in a democracy with free speech and with checks and balances in three branches of government and the constitution does not make you dictator for four years or above any criticism. Why don't you stop being a disgustingly dishonest **** (after all, you're no longer a union leader) and deal with what I actually said rather than with things that I never said?

PS ... Gotta go because it is Valentine's Day. So you can make up more **** about me and put more words in my mouth with impunity.
ROFLMAO
Dam near pissed my pants laughing so hard.
 

gopher

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"it will not add one dime to the national debt". BO's been making that absurd claim for over four years now even though he has actually added OVER 68 TRILLION DIMES to the national debt.


 

darkbeaver

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Yes, how dare Obama be an optimist. Doesn't he know it his job to depress spirits?

The first point has been debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html?_r=0 The increased deficits are largely due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that Bush started which would have been projected deficits at Bush's time except for the flaming pants trickery.

People in general don't want smaller government, they want government that works. For a country that is already spending more public money per capita than the majority of these despised socialist countries, the fact that people are routinely hung out to dry should be a national shame. The US government is highly inept compared to its peers. Obama at least tried to turn that around.

If you really want to complain about Obama, how about him claiming the power of kings? If he claims the right to assassinate his own citizens without due process far from any battlefield in a foreign land, if the US claims that foreigners do not even have 4th amendment rights, what should the rest of us peasantry feel? What claimed power can be more tyrannical than the unchecked power to kill?

the unchecked power to tax maybe, death would be escape
 

EagleSmack

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Wow, 47% of Americans make so little money that they don't pay income tax? And those are the people that elected Obama? So, that would mean that those 47%'s are from the republican administration' time in office? Or is teddy just full of shyte like he keeps accusing others of being?

Yeah that makes sense.Geez.
 

DaSleeper

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There you go quoting Nancy Pelosi:lol:
Any time I see a graft, I check,...they get manipulated too easily....
I believe you love this web site...FactCheck.org : Dueling Debt Deceptions

It’s not true, for example, that the debt has increased only 16 percent since Obama took office. That erroneous calculation originally came from the office of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi. And — despite being corrected later — it has continued to circulate via email.

Even the corrected version, currently appearing on the site of the liberal group MoveOn.org and Pelosi’s Flickr site, is many months out of date as of this writing. It shows a 35 percent increase for Obama, which is now far too low.

And it’s also untrue — as claimed in a graphic widely circulated by email and in social media postings — that the debt has increased more under Obama than under all previous 43 presidents combined. In fact, as of Jan. 31, 2012, the rise under Obama had yet to surpass the rise under his predecessor, George W. Bush.


The figures in that graphic are pure fabrications, as anyone can easily confirm by plugging Obama’s inauguration date — Jan. 20, 2009 — in the Treasury Department’s handy “debt to the penny” website. That shows the nation’s total debt stood at $10.6 trillion on the day Obama took office (not $6.3 trillion), and it had increased to nearly $15.4 trillion by the end of January 2012 — a rise of more than $4.7 trillion in just over three years (not $6.5 trillion).
That’s a huge increase to be sure — 44.5 percent. And the Congressional Budget Office now projects that it will grow to more than $16 trillion by the end of the current fiscal year on Sept. 30. At that point, the debt will have increased by more dollars in Obama’s first four years than it did in George W. Bush’s entire eight-year tenure, when it rose by $4.9 trillion. The rise under Obama would then be the biggest dollar increase for any president in U.S. history.

Here is how the nation’s total debt has fared under the past several presidents, as of Jan. 31, 2012, in trillions of dollars. The percentage increases are given in parentheses
 

Walter

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https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/268568_591985934160426_793819988_n.jpg[/IM[/QUOTE]Your graph is unbe(effing)lievable. Let's start a graph war.

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