58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Locutus

#1Jan 10th, 2013

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83% Favor Laws To Restrict Abortion…

January 10, 2013, (National Right to Life News)—A new Marist poll conducted for the Knights of Columbus reveals that 83% of Americans favor significant limitations on what is now essentially abortion on demand. That is up 4 points from last year.

A total of 56% of respondents believe either that abortion should never be permitted (10%), allowed only to save the life of the mother (12%), or only in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother (34%).

The telephone survey of 1,246 adults conducted in early December found that 27% would limit abortion to the first three months of pregnancy, at most. Another 6% would allow abortion during the first six months of pregnancy while only 11% would allow abortion at any time.

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damngrumpy

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Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Twelve or thirteen hundred people out of three hundred million
Alright I will go for that on some conditions. When was the survey?
What economic ratio's were added, these make a difference. I for
one have some issues with abortion but then that nagging old thing
called the constitution gets in the way. You know where everyone is
entitled to liberty and happiness. Oh I didn't leave life out its just that
the child is not born yet so there is a question as to when life begins.
There will never be an answer to that. This is a social issue and the
abortion process will go on legal or not.
I would wonder if it were a national issue in an election what the outcome
would be? Oh it was and has been an issue and those pro life folks don't
do to well.

Goober

Free Thinker

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Twelve or thirteen hundred people out of three hundred million
Alright I will go for that on some conditions. When was the survey?
What economic ratio's were added, these make a difference. I for
one have some issues with abortion but then that nagging old thing
called the constitution gets in the way. You know where everyone is
entitled to liberty and happiness. Oh I didn't leave life out its just that
the child is not born yet so there is a question as to when life begins.
There will never be an answer to that. This is a social issue and the
abortion process will go on legal or not.
I would wonder if it were a national issue in an election what the outcome
would be? Oh it was and has been an issue and those pro life folks don't
do to well.

The majority of Canadians you would find are also against Abortion past a certain trimester. So why are you on this slam the US slant.

Sal

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Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Interesting. Wonder how many of them have actually had abortions and/or would have an abortion if they felt the need.

Cliffy

Free Thinker

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

The majority of Canadians you would find are also against Abortion past a certain trimester. So why are you on this slam the US slant.

The OP is about Americans? Do you think that The Knights of Columbus might have slanted the survey to suit their pro-life bent?
As for Canadians, so what? I think the issue here, in spite of opinions to the contrary, is: do we want to return to the good old days of back alleys and coat hangers?

damngrumpy

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Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Didn't slam them at all, as it Canada you can have all the surveys you want if you
put it to the poll that counts women come out in droves to vote in their interest and
that is the poll that counts.
I for one don't like late term abortions because people have had enough time to
make up their mind prior to that point.
The problem is these polls are taken but we don't have any information as to who is
being polled. This goes for a lot of other things besides abortions. That is the problem
with polling at times..

Goober

Free Thinker

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

The OP is about Americans? Do you think that The Knights of Columbus might have slanted the survey to suit their pro-life bent?
As for Canadians, so what? I think the issue here, in spite of opinions to the contrary, is: do we want to return to the good old days of back alleys and coat hangers?

Ah the scare tactics have risen.

Cliffy

Free Thinker

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

Ah the scare tactics have risen.

Scare tactics? Yo deny that people will get their abortions, legal or not? Abortions are done in hospitals because so many women died or were permanently damaged by back alley abortions when I was still in school.

petros

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Scare tactics? Yo deny that people will get their abortions, legal or not? Abortions are done in hospitals because so many women died or were permanently damaged by back alley abortions when I was still in school.

Noooo they went to "go visit an aunt" which was Nuns who housed the women through term, birth and post birth and arranged adoptions of the children.

damngrumpy

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#10

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Not a scare tactic at all, people will do what is they are going to do regardless of how
many laws you have when it comes to the social issues of the day. Take a look at
it. In Canada and the United States did the booze industry die during prohibition? No
it did quite well on both sides of the boarder and my family now all gone did very well
profiting from it. That is both on my mother and fathers side.
Right now we have an abundance of drug laws some good some not so good, the pot
laws people would repeal if their was a referendum. The majority of Canadians would
vote to make it legal.
Gay Marriage in America the fight goes on and so far the pro gay marriage side is slowly
winning.
Prostitution will be next as the law is ineffective people will do what they are going to do.
The list goes on. illegal gambling has subsided only because the governments became the
bookie as it were.
So when it comes to abortion, if they went backwards and made it illegal, the outlaws would
be in business the next day and the customers would find them. Back alley abortions and
the sale of coat hangers would rise so would the price. That is not a scare its reality.

Cliffy

Free Thinker

#11

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 10th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Noooo they went to "go visit an aunt" which was Nuns who housed the women through term, birth and post birth and arranged adoptions of the children.

Some did but many abortions were done in back alleys. I knew a few girls who screwed their lives up that way and a few that never came back. But that was Montreal. Maybe the prairies were more "civilized"... but I doubt it. Not everybody could afford to go to term. The poor died in alleys.

petros

#12

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Some did but many abortions were done in back alleys. I knew a few girls who screwed their lives up that way and a few that never came back. But that was Montreal. Maybe the prairies were more "civilized"... but I doubt it. Not everybody could afford to go to term. The poor died in alleys.

Malarky.

L Gilbert

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#13

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus

allowed only to save the life of the mother (12%), or only in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother (34%).

The telephone survey of 1,246 adults conducted in early December found that 27% would limit abortion to the first three months of pregnancy, at most.

That would be me, but I think there's always an exception to a general rule, so I wouldn't draft a bill that was too rigid in the first place were I a lawmaker.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Oh I didn't leave life out its just that
the child is not born yet so there is a question as to when life begins.
There will never be an answer to that.

Wrong. Scientifically, life begins at the first cellular division, which is within an hour of Mr.Sperm-meets-Ms.Egg. The problem lies in when the life becomes a person.

petros

#14

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

The problem lies in when the life becomes a person.

Humans become Persons the instant the paperwork is filed.

L Gilbert

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#15

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Humans become Persons the instant the paperwork is filed.

Sort of. It's a legal issue, for sure. I prefer viability (something like 21 weeks) to be the point when personhood is achieved. And certainly a decision should be easily achieved within 12 weeks.

petros

#16

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Sort of. It's a legal issue, for sure. I prefer viability (something like 21 weeks) to be the point when personhood is achieved.

legally it's when pen hits paper as birth cert is filled in by Doc at birth.

L Gilbert

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#17

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

legally it's when pen hits paper as birth cert is filled in by Doc at birth.

A pen never touches a birth certificate. It's machine printed.
Keep nitpicking, though, it's comical.

petros

#18

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

A pen never touches a birth certificate. It's machine printed.
Keep nitpicking, though, it's comical.

They have a machine that records date and time of birth in the delivery room that signs off for the Doc?

Technology eh? It's somethin' else.

L Gilbert

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#19

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

They have a machine that records date and time of birth in the delivery room that signs off for the Doc?

Technology eh? It's somethin' else.

Doc fills out a form, sends it to gov't, gov't approves it and issues a birth certificate using a machine.
Keep skipping down your little path of tangents and strawmen. It's comical.

petros

#20

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Doc fills out a form, sends it to gov't, gov't approves it and issues a birth certificate using a machine.
Keep skipping down your little path of tangents and strawmen. It's comical.

As soon as the Doc signs you have a Person printing and mailing a card doesn't change anything.

L Gilbert

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#21

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Keep skipping down your little path of tangents and strawmen. It's comical.

petros

#22

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

What do you have against reality? It's not working out in your favour?

L Gilbert

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#23

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Nothing against reality. It's a legal issue. I'm not arguing that a doc fills out a form or whatever. But docs don't determine legalities and gov'ts don't use pens for birth certificates.
What do you suppose happens if the doc makes a mistake on the form? You think the gov't prints it anyway?
Really, if you're going to dissect some little bit of trivia and lead the topic down some obscure little path, you should think about it first.

petros

#24

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

You're wrong. Deal with it.

L Gilbert

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#25

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You're wrong.

In your opinion.

Quote:

Deal with it.

lol Can't argue the points so you resort to "you're wrong. deal with it" ? lol

petros

#26

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

You're confusing the birth registration form with birth certificate.

L Gilbert

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#27

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You're confusing the birth registration form with birth certificate.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

legally it's when pen hits paper as birth cert is filled in by Doc at birth.

Hey, you brought it up.

petros

#28

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Yeah I brought when a human becomes a Person and you made a mistake, learned from your mistake and life is good. No problem.

L Gilbert

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#29

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Yeah I brought when a human becomes a Person and you made a mistake, learned from your mistake and life is good. No problem.

Nope, you brought up when a person is born in a doctor's opinion. I brought up the issue of when life becomes a person.

Birth Certificate

Like I said, if you want to nitpick about details, think about them first.

Last edited by L Gilbert; Jan 11th, 2013 at 02:10 PM..

petros

#30

Re: 58% Of Americans Believe Abortion Is “Morally Wrong,”

Jan 11th, 2013

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Birth Certificate

You have upto a year to apply for a Birth Certificate in some Provinces. Is your baby still not a person if you wait the full year? Why are details like time of birth important? Why not just put Wednesday evening in the time blank if you're a Doctor and sign it at your leisure?

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