Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America?

[unclepercy]

If what I described is being a neocon, then I am proud to be one.

Let's all be neocons, and then we will have:

1. Prosperity
2. Social skills
3. Families sharing time together
4. Fun, singing, music and laughter
5. Generosity
6. A sense of community
7. Beauty
8. Concern for others (I stumbled on a curb and a nice lady
caught me - expressing concern)
9. Friends
10. Manners

Let's all be neocons, and then we will have:
1.Martial Law
2.Loss of liberty
3.Human Rights violations
4.National Debt
5.Imperial War and Occupation
6.Police State
7.Forced Savings
8.Forced Democracy
9.Voter Fraud
10.Invasion of Privacy

Do I see that nasty cynicism creeping into my happy world? Sorry,
but I don't experience any of these things. You are looking under rocks. Digging for dirt. Maybe you need to take some Prozac or
Paxil - ask your doctor.

Uncle

 

[jjw1965]

Do I see that nasty cynicism creeping into my happy world? Sorry,
but I don't experience any of these things. You are looking under rocks. Digging for dirt. Maybe you need to take some Prozac or
Paxil - ask your doctor.

Uncle

Yeah that would be just what they want, another American on Psychotropic Drugs so you can be dumbed down and controlled.
Fantastic! maybe you should pay more attention to what really goes on in this country.

I've posted it before, the reason the government gets by with what they do is because people don't pay attention, or get involved, or care about what goes on outside their little world.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America?

If what I described is being a neocon, then I am proud to be one.
Let's all be neocons, and then we will have:

1. Prosperity
2. Social skills
3. Families sharing time together
4. Fun, singing, music and laughter
5. Generosity
6. A sense of community
7. Beauty
8. Concern for others (I stumbled on a curb and a nice lady
caught me - expressing concern)
9. Friends
10. Manners

Nah!

I'd rather have knowledge, wisdom, and understanding ( I know that is the forbidden fruit of the Neoconservative movement). Because all that you describe are the pluses that a life of priviledge can afford, things you get when you are not fighting for survival. When it comes to surviving, none of that matters.

I'd trade all that in a second for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. But hey that's me.

Jom -
This is not wish list. You would "rather" have blah, blah, blah. I am not talking about what you would rather have. I am talking about what I have already. I saw many hundreds of people who have that.

You are referring to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And you are right - these things don't matter if you can't survive. But, I am telling you that many in America (you should know this) are surviving just fine, and we are enjoying our ten friends. And BTW, spending time with family is not just a rich person's luxury.

You might as well wish upon a turd, because you certainly won't get your wish. You might as well settle for what is attainable, and then be very grateful for that.

Uncle

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Will Neocon Fanaticis

Seeing how the neo-cons live, I doubt that they have much beyond money and an inherent need to push their religion on others.

 

[zenfisher]

Uncle Percy...

I invite you to come out the fictional world of Baja Canada and walk the streets of Seattle. Were in the major park in the Pioneer Square district....the homeless are camped out. Come to our malls and large shopping centres were there is a homeless person with signs begging for food. Where at exits to freeways people are...you guessed it begging for food. Come to the Home Depot and watch as they lock their outdoor sheds because people are defecating in them.Come look at the faces of these Americans.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America?

Uncle Percy...

I invite you to come out the fictional world of Baja Canada and walk the streets of Seattle. Were in the major park in the Pioneer Square district....the homeless are camped out. Come to our malls and large shopping centres were there is a homeless person with signs begging for food. Where at exits to freeways people are...you guessed it begging for food. Come to the Home Depot and watch as they lock their outdoor sheds because people are defecating in them.Come look at the faces of these Americans.

Where I live is not fictional. I think I will pass on your invitation.
I'm happy here. Thanks for thinking of me, though. You have a nice day.

Uncle

 

[zenfisher]

Afraid of a dose of reality? I don't see any of those blue states clamouring to become part of Canada...hence fiction.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America?

Afraid of a dose of reality? I don't see any of those blue states clamouring to become part of Canada...hence fiction.

Do you hear that loud sucking noise from the south?

Uncle

 

[zenfisher]

That is because of our current poltical regime...it sucks big time.

 

[JomZ]

Re: RE: Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America?

If what I described is being a neocon, then I am proud to be one.
Let's all be neocons, and then we will have:

1. Prosperity
2. Social skills
3. Families sharing time together
4. Fun, singing, music and laughter
5. Generosity
6. A sense of community
7. Beauty
8. Concern for others (I stumbled on a curb and a nice lady
caught me - expressing concern)
9. Friends
10. Manners

Nah!

I'd rather have knowledge, wisdom, and understanding ( I know that is the forbidden fruit of the Neoconservative movement). Because all that you describe are the pluses that a life of priviledge can afford, things you get when you are not fighting for survival. When it comes to surviving, none of that matters.

I'd trade all that in a second for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. But hey that's me.

Jom -
This is not wish list. You would "rather" have blah, blah, blah. I am not talking about what you would rather have. I am talking about what I have already. I saw many hundreds of people who have that.

You are referring to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And you are right - these things don't matter if you can't survive. But, I am telling you that many in America (you should know this) are surviving just fine, and we are enjoying our ten friends. And BTW, spending time with family is not just a rich person's luxury.

You might as well wish upon a turd, because you certainly won't get your wish. You might as well settle for what is attainable, and then be very grateful for that.

Uncle

Uncle,

I do not know why I am bothering to responding, it would seem that we are having a difficult time communicating, because I never inferred that this list was a wish list.

Your description of what it means to be a neocon is a description of traits that you say neocons possess. I said I would rather have the trait of "knowledge, understanding, and wisdom" which according to your personal list, neocons lack. Although, I do embrace almost everthing on your list, I would rather trade them for knowledge, understanding, and wisdom given the choice,(which I possess but never enough).


You brought up Maslow's hierarchy of needs, in which it does apply here (I do not totally agree with it). The fact is that not all American's are at the same level as you are, which I suspect is somewhere between level 4- Esteem and level 5 - self-actualization (2 ne one who doesn't know look it up), but the fact that some people are still struggling at level 1 and 2 suggests a problems with not only the neocon ideology but capitalism itself. This is not just in America but in Canada too. (Where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer).

You might as well wish upon a turd, because you certainly won't get your wish. You might as well settle for what is attainable, and then be very grateful for that.

Why should I or anyone else settle for what we have and how society is, and be grateful for what I have. Its this repressive mentality that keeps those with power unassailable, and those without as being nothing more then cogs in the machine. Yes, I can lose it all, but a life not lived to its fullest is not a life fulfilled.

- If people settled for the attainable then there would still be a Soviet Union. Instead of the populace saying we want change.

- If people settled for the attainable then, you would be saying "God save the King/Queen." Because who would have thought the British Army could be beaten.

I am not against conservatism as a whole, I actually think that it can bring about new ideas. But, Neoconservatism is too repressive, while Neoliberalism is too socialist.


P.S. Just because you don't see things in your reality does not mean that it is not there. Many people of Germany did not know about the Holocaust until after it was discovered by the allies. Its an extreme example, but it applies.

JomZ

 

[jjw1965]

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: Will Neocon Fanaticism Destroy America?

If what I described is being a neocon, then I am proud to be one.
Let's all be neocons, and then we will have:

1. Prosperity
2. Social skills
3. Families sharing time together
4. Fun, singing, music and laughter
5. Generosity
6. A sense of community
7. Beauty
8. Concern for others (I stumbled on a curb and a nice lady
caught me - expressing concern)
9. Friends
10. Manners

Nah!

I'd rather have knowledge, wisdom, and understanding ( I know that is the forbidden fruit of the Neoconservative movement). Because all that you describe are the pluses that a life of priviledge can afford, things you get when you are not fighting for survival. When it comes to surviving, none of that matters.

I'd trade all that in a second for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. But hey that's me.

Jom -
This is not wish list. You would "rather" have blah, blah, blah. I am not talking about what you would rather have. I am talking about what I have already. I saw many hundreds of people who have that.

You are referring to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And you are right - these things don't matter if you can't survive. But, I am telling you that many in America (you should know this) are surviving just fine, and we are enjoying our ten friends. And BTW, spending time with family is not just a rich person's luxury.

You might as well wish upon a turd, because you certainly won't get your wish. You might as well settle for what is attainable, and then be very grateful for that.

Uncle

Uncle,

I do not know why I am bothering to responding, it would seem that we are having a difficult time communicating, because I never inferred that this list was a wish list.

Well, it really sounded like it to me. I just made a list of the things I observed in my life, and someone said I sounded like a neocon.
You said your would rather have knowledge, understanding and wisdom. I may be a neocon, and I may not. That was not the purpose of my post. If you would rather have something, that implies loosely that you do not have it.

Your description of what it means to be a neocon is a description of traits that you say neocons possess.

Nope - someone else brought up that term.

I said I would rather have the trait of "knowledge, understanding, and wisdom" which according to your personal list, neocons lack. Although, I do embrace almost everthing on your list, I would rather trade them for knowledge, understanding, and wisdom given the choice,(which I possess but never enough).
You brought up Maslow's hierarchy of needs, in which it does apply here (I do not totally agree with it). The fact is that not all American's are at the same level as you are, which I suspect is somewhere between level 4- Esteem and level 5 - self-actualization (2 ne one who doesn't know look it up), but the fact that some people are still struggling at level 1 and 2 suggests a problems with not only the neocon ideology but capitalism itself. This is not just in America but in Canada too. (Where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer).

Thank you for taking time to look up old Maslow. He is a bit outdated, but I think his theory still has relevance today. And you are very perceptive - yep, I guess I am a 4.5.

You might as well wish upon a turd, because you certainly won't get your wish. You might as well settle for what is attainable, and then be very grateful for that.

Why should I or anyone else settle for what we have and how society is, and be grateful for what I have. Its this repressive mentality that keeps those with power unassailable, and those without as being nothing more then cogs in the machine. Yes, I can lose it all, but a life not lived to its fullest is not a life fulfilled.

WHAT!!!?????????? You are suggesting that everyone be dissatisfied with what they have, not matter how good, and bitch and moan and groan about everything? No.

There is a time in life, and I guess you haven't reached it yet, when you learn to accept what life has dealt you, make peace with the bad parts, and be grateful for the good ones. It's called self-actualization. You don't necessarily have to live life to the fullest - most simply can't. This is not an absolute as you suggest. It is a relative scale. I couldn't. Who can? If you did, you'd be dead at 19. You live your live to the fullest that YOU CAN. And the measure of success is putting it into a perspective that makes you feel that if death came today, it would be OK.

- If people settled for the attainable then there would still be a Soviet Union. Instead of the populace saying we want change.

No, there wouldn't. The people of the USSR are still attaining.
Attaining goes on forever. Gratitude comes every day.

- If people settled for the attainable then, you would be saying "God save the King/Queen." Because who would have thought the British Army could be beaten.

We are still attaining. I think you have this word defined in a different way than I do. That doesn't make you wrong or me wrong, -- we just define it in our heads differently.

I am not against conservatism as a whole, I actually think that it can bring about new ideas. But, Neoconservatism is too repressive, while Neoliberalism is too socialist.

I am unable to say what I believe in this forum, or I would be crushed. But I will said that I respect your post, your right to believe as you do, and I hope we are still on speaking terms.

Uncle

JomZ