Wildrose support blooms
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If you don't care, why bother posting ... unless you simply HAVE to snap your beak on something?
You forget that it was the east that supported Alberta before their oil strike and it was eastern investors that put money into the initial Alberta oil sands development so don't sell the easterners short and it was the easterners that supported Alberta when the bottom temporarily fell out the oil patch back in the 1980s even after Alberta told the easterners to “Let eastern bastards freeze in the dark.”
The resources belong to the province so they can tell the feds to go stuff themselves but I heard that since the federal Conservatives have the majority that might change.
Hahaha, and just what eastern story book are you getting your information from??
And just what kind of support do you give AB?
Oh, really?? GCOS was the first oil sands developer, an American company !!! Get your facts straight !!!
Better get yourself a better storybook !!
And just what kind of support do you give AB?
Oh, really?? GCOS was the first oil sands developer, an American company !!! Get your facts straight !!!
Hahaha, it was the easterners who caused the problem in the first place, they wanted AB's wealth !!
Better get yourself a better storybook !!
Eastern investors like Sun Oil? They called it "Great Canadian Oilsands" to make it more palatable to Canadians.
I was there in 65 and i actually worked for Sun oil. Was in fact sent to Marcus Hook Pennsylvania on a training course to Sun Oil's refinery complex.
Just so easy to forget the NEP, which was the real reason for the bottom falling out, and created by your hero. The Crow rate, Quebec pork, Ontario saying when Alberta was down......no new pipe lines cause we can buy it cheaper from Venezuela. They are still buying from Venezuela but loving the oil revenues that go to equalization payments while vilifying it as dirty oil.
I am trying to remember "equalization" payments coming Alberta's way back in the day when Ontario had a huge manufacturing and resource industry and deep pockets.
The west and the Maritimes were the peasants.
Where was the east when my grandparents were living in a soddy in Saskatchewan. No bleeding hearts around to want to help feed and cloth real working folks in those days but they made it.
If the west had had the equivalent of what paybec got from the feds we would have owned their asses much sooner, but better late than never;-)
Equalization payments come from the tax collected by the Federal Government. The Province of Alberta doesn't pay Ottawa, the tax payers in Alberta do.
For all the time you've been ranting about Equalization, you don't know a damned thing about it.
Read and learn:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0820-e.pdf
That clause applies to specific sections of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. A province can't use the notwithstanding clause on behalf of it's residents to avoid paying Federal taxes.
From Wild Rose website:
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Another critical area of concern is the massive transfer of wealth between Alberta and Canada’s so-called ‘have-not’ provinces. In 2009 alone, Alberta taxpayers sent $21 billion more to the federal government for direct use by other provinces than we received in return. This equates to roughly $5,700 for every man, woman and child in our province – by far the largest contribution per capita in Canada. A much larger portion of these dollars should be returned to Alberta for our infrastructure, health care, education and deficit reduction needs.
DEFENDING ALBERTA
Take an aggressive stance with the federal government in regards to the equalization program in order to ensure that billions more of Albertans’ hard-earned tax dollars remain in the province, working for the benefit of Albertans
Exercise our provincial constitutional rights by demanding that the federal government not regulate our industry or property in the name of “environmental protection”
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That's $ 22,800.00 (5700 x 4) for a family of four.
What family of four could not use an additional $23k income, but to pay it to someone who just pisses it away is really something else!!!
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That's almost $ 2k per month !!
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Another critical area of concern is the massive transfer of wealth between Alberta and Canada’s so-called ‘have-not’ provinces. In 2009 alone, Alberta taxpayers sent $21 billion more to the federal government for direct use by other provinces than we received in return. This equates to roughly $5,700 for every man, woman and child in our province – by far the largest contribution per capita in Canada. A much larger portion of these dollars should be returned to Alberta for our infrastructure, health care, education and deficit reduction needs.
DEFENDING ALBERTA
Take an aggressive stance with the federal government in regards to the equalization program in order to ensure that billions more of Albertans’ hard-earned tax dollars remain in the province, working for the benefit of Albertans
Exercise our provincial constitutional rights by demanding that the federal government not regulate our industry or property in the name of “environmental protection”
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That's $ 22,800.00 (5700 x 4) for a family of four.
What family of four could not use an additional $23k income, but to pay it to someone who just pisses it away is really something else!!!
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That's almost $ 2k per month !!
wow...pretty much ALL the income tax I pay the feds goes to equalization? :roll:
Like I said, Durry is the perfect spokesperson for the Alberta Liberals and NDP.
That would not apply in this case. The so called Notwithstanding Clause does not apply to the collecting of federal revenues. There is no way to opt out of the obligation all Albertans have of paying taxes to the Federal government, and once the government has the money it can spend it any way that it wishes.
Good question. Seems to me AB has done ok for itself for the most part. And that is a bit annoying to me considering we are right beside AB and for the most part have had duds for gov'ts since Bennett Sr. F'n morons are too stupid to take a page or two from AB's book and run with it.
BTW, equalization payments are only a part of transfer payments. Provinces can use equalization payments any way they choose but the Social Transfer Payments are strictly for things like post-sec ed., social assistance, social services. Health Transfer payments are strictly to be used for "maintaining the national criteria" for Canada's public health care according to the Canada Health Act.
It isn't like AB is actually paying more than anyone else, it's simply not getting as much back.
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I'd say it's a no brainer, two main reasons.............Oil and the fact most Albertans have a good work ethic.
If Vancouver and the Island were ran seperately the rest of BC would be in awesome shape and Van/Van Island in even deeper ****.
Yeah half of SK went to go there to build the joint.
Yes and No..........Vancouver Island was booming (Port Alberni was to top payroll town in B.C.) until the environmentalists stuck their noses into things. Lumber, pulp and paper were king. Now the boom towns of Gold River, Tahsis and Zeballos are ghost towns. Port Hardy could be next.
Anybody but Chamber of Commerce members - ANYBODY
Politicians from most parties have the backing of the Chamber of Commerce. That's the problem. They rig the political forums and plant questions so no non-business candidates ever get elected. I've caught them on video doing it.
In the future I'll run in every election possible. Not to win but to prevent the Chamber from getting away with their Illegal treasonous acts. My plan is to attack the moderator and their questions. If the fix is in. I will be there to out it. Just look at the softball questions the republican caucuses have. It's pathetic.
In our last Civic forum our group had 165 questions the citizens wanted asked. We had hoped they would each pick from the hat. That didn't happen. The CofC asked 3 questions (all known in advance) each was answered 13 times. How boring and un-democratic. The one question they asked was "should the corporate vote be reinstated.
At the previous Federal election the public was prevented from attending... They are the worst at putting on forums and should face jail time for this.
OLIVER FEDERAL CANDIDATES FORUM TO BE CLOSED TO PUBLIC | Osoyoos Times
What should we do with an organization like this?
Politicians from most parties have the backing of the Chamber of Commerce. That's the problem. They rig the political forums and plant questions so no non-business candidates ever get elected. I've caught them on video doing it.
In the future I'll run in every election possible. Not to win but to prevent the Chamber from getting away with their Illegal treasonous acts. My plan is to attack the moderator and their questions. If the fix is in. I will be there to out it. Just look at the softball questions the republican caucuses have. It's pathetic.
In our last Civic forum our group had 165 questions the citizens wanted asked. We had hoped they would each pick from the hat. That didn't happen. The CofC asked 3 questions (all known in advance) each was answered 13 times. How boring and un-democratic. The one question they asked was "should the corporate vote be reinstated.
At the previous Federal election the public was prevented from attending... They are the worst at putting on forums and should face jail time for this.
OLIVER FEDERAL CANDIDATES FORUM TO BE CLOSED TO PUBLIC | Osoyoos Times
What should we do with an organization like this?
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