Why I vote Conservative/Liberal/NDP/Green/Bloc

[Colpy]

Now now Boys.....the intent was to be a positive view of political entities....LOL

Or is that impossible?


Anyway, another reason I will vote Conservative.........refusal to back down on support for Israel.

CTV Toronto - Harper will defend Israel 'whatever the cost' - CTV News

And yet another........although the Conservatives refuse to remove the more onerous parts of the Firearms Act, they will at least dump the long-gun registry.........

Harper vows to end gun registry | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

 

[CDNBear]

To be honest, I really have no idea who I'll vote for.

Van Loan is our MP, a man I've met several times and each time, confirms he's more of a bobble head then I originally thought.

Shakin' babies and kissing hands.

The Conservatives didn't get my vote last time either. I voted Green, knowing full well they won't get more then a seat or two.

This time round, I don't know. I'm so disillusioned and jaded about politics and politicians. It doesn't matter who takes the PMO, it's business as usual.

Sorry Colpy, that's as positive as I could be.

 

[Colpy]

To be honest, I really have no idea who I'll vote for.

Van Loan is our MP, a man I've met several times and each time, confirms he's more of a bobble head then I originally thought.

Shakin' babies and kissing hands.

The Conservatives didn't get my vote last time either. I voted Green, knowing full well they won't get more then a seat or two.

This time round, I don't know. I'm so disillusioned and jaded about politics and politicians. It doesn't matter who takes the PMO, it's business as usual.

Sorry Colpy, that's as positive as I could be.

Oh I know....it is kinda like picking the nicest turd..........

Lots of stuff the Conservatives are up to disgusts me....but.....

They are such a lovely shade of brown.

And they stink less than the others....lol

 

[CDNBear]

Oh I know....it is kinda like picking the nicest turd..........

Reminds me of that only saying, "You can polish a turd, but in the end, it's still a turd", lol.

Lots of stuff the Conservatives are up to disgusts me....but.....

Me too. Pandering to Quebec, not living up to their Accountability and transparency shtick, being slow at protecting Canadians out of country, taking their sweet time killing the gun registry, apposing public funding of risk reduction drug centers, and so on.

They are such a lovely shade of brown.

Ya, but I could do without the habanero's and undigested shrimp tails.

And they stink less than the others....lol

You know I'll agree to that all the time. The one saving grace of the Conservatives is, they don't adhere to moral relativism, as do the left leaning parties in this country.

I may be a pot growing hippy, but to me, the Conservatives do tend to be like Buckley's.

 

[relic]

Yeah it's hard when they all suck,but I'll have to throw in with Jack.No way in hell I'd vote for that slimy sob harper and Iggy is kind of creepy,while poor Elizebith just can't be taken seriously.To me the best of the worst would be another harper monority,or better yet a tory minority with a new boss,but who would that be,because none of harpers lackys can think for themselves.

 

[Machjo]

Wait - are you telling me how to vote? May I suggest that if you are then you can go to hell.

Well then thank God I wasn't telling you how to vote. I was just saying that voting against something, or negative voting, will accomplish nothing. Would it not be better to vote for something, to vote positively?

Again, I'm not telling how to vote, and quite frankly I think your voting pattern is likely in the majority in this country. I'm just pointing out what I believe such a voting practice will lead to: nothing but permanent stalemate.

Now now Boys.....the intent was to be a positive view of political entities....LOL

Or is that impossible?


Anyway, another reason I will vote Conservative.........refusal to back down on support for Israel.

CTV Toronto - Harper will defend Israel 'whatever the cost' - CTV News

And yet another........although the Conservatives refuse to remove the more onerous parts of the Firearms Act, they will at least dump the long-gun registry.........

Harper vows to end gun registry | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

When you say you'll vote Conservative, do you really mean Conservative, or for your local conservative candidate who happens to have a head on his shoulders? For example, would you actually vote for Royal Galipeau just because he happens to be a member of the Conservative Party? Now that's scary! Here in Ottawa-Orleans I actually had one friend who agreed with me that Galipeau was a numbskull, yet voted for him 'to keep the Liberals out'. Yet another example of negative voting. Now granted the Liberal candidate was little better, but the Green candidate was not exactly your stereotypical Green. He had a military background (retired officer), and had a sound grasp of foreign affairs from his military education. Galipeau is but a harper yes-man. Now I could see myself voting for a Conservative candidate, but he'd better outshine the others in the riding.

So I ask again, did you really mean that you would always blindly vote for any Conservative numbskull and not consider his critical thinking ability? If I were in Scott Reid's riding for example, now there's one Conservative I'd seriously consider, but certainly not because of his party colours.

Now now Boys.....the intent was to be a positive view of political entities....LOL

Or is that impossible?


Anyway, another reason I will vote Conservative.........refusal to back down on support for Israel.

CTV Toronto - Harper will defend Israel 'whatever the cost' - CTV News

That's going a little far n my book. Defending Israel's right to exist within its legally recognized pre-1967 boundaries is one thing. But supporting 'whatever the cost'? What if it decided to expand its boundaries a little further? 'Whatever the cost' after all!

Personally I'd say Canada ought to take a neutral stance, simply defending international laws on the matter, plain and simple. I think that would be a little more reasonable than giving Israel carte blanche to do whatever it wants.

And yet another........although the Conservatives refuse to remove the more onerous parts of the Firearms Act, they will at least dump the long-gun registry.........

Harper vows to end gun registry | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

That I can agree to, but again, Harper's not in my riding, so it really doesn't matter. And on that front, his stance on Israel likewise doesn't affect my voting choices in my riding.

Yeah it's hard when they all suck,but I'll have to throw in with Jack.No way in hell I'd vote for that slimy sob harper and Iggy is kind of creepy,while poor Elizebith just can't be taken seriously.To me the best of the worst would be another harper monority,or better yet a tory minority with a new boss,but who would that be,because none of harpers lackys can think for themselves.

Hmmm...none of them's in my riding.

 

[Avro]

I vote for my local candidate, since I hate Farty it will be one of the others.

 

[Colpy]

When you say you'll vote Conservative, do you really mean Conservative, or for your local conservative candidate who happens to have a head on his shoulders? For example, would you actually vote for Royal Galipeau just because he happens to be a member of the Conservative Party? Now that's scary! Here in Ottawa-Orleans I actually had one friend who agreed with me that Galipeau was a numbskull, yet voted for him 'to keep the Liberals out'. Yet another example of negative voting. Now granted the Liberal candidate was little better, but the Green candidate was not exactly your stereotypical Green. He had a military background (retired officer), and had a sound grasp of foreign affairs from his military education. Galipeau is but a harper yes-man. Now I could see myself voting for a Conservative candidate, but he'd better outshine the others in the riding.

So I ask again, did you really mean that you would always blindly vote for any Conservative numbskull and not consider his critical thinking ability? If I were in Scott Reid's riding for example, now there's one Conservative I'd seriously consider, but certainly not because of his party colours.

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Well, as I said before, backbenchers are, in our modern parliament, little more than finger puppets for the five-year dictator we elect.

I don't like that, but it is reality.

And I think Ignatieff would be a bloody disaster, even more so if teamed with Jack, or Jack and Gilles
(went up to the Hill) whatever.

So I vote Conservative, and don't worry much about who the bobble-head is..........although I would NOT vote for Julian Fantino.......under any circumstance. I don't live in his riding, thankfully.

As for the rest, there are lots of other threads....

 

[Machjo]

So I vote Conservative, and don't worry much about who the bobble-head is..........

If that's the case, then may I propose a way of saving lots of money here. How about we merely hire one MP from each party and of course any independent Mp who wins his riding. Each Party MP's vote would be equal in value to the number of ridings his party won. That way, each party still gets its share of votes in Parliament while we save money on salaries for bobble-heads. What difference would it make other than save a few salaries and allow the MPs to sit around a table big enough for eight with a camera sitting above the room. Bingo, so much mor efficient for the same result.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Well then thank God I wasn't telling you how to vote. I was just saying that voting against something, or negative voting, will accomplish nothing. Would it not be better to vote for something, to vote positively?

Again, I'm not telling how to vote, and quite frankly I think your voting pattern is likely in the majority in this country. I'm just pointing out what I believe such a voting practice will lead to: nothing but permanent stalemate.

Sorry for my nasty response. Just keep in mind that I am quite senile.

So far as the topic is concerned I prefer minority governments in contrast to the four or five year dictatorship that characterizes majority governments in Canada. In many nations minority governments or coalition governments are the norm; the fact that Canadian political parties have not managed to make these work smoothly is a bit of a problem, but if the Swedes and Germans can make them work then so should Canada. Unlike the US, Canadian politics has not reached the extreme level of animosity that makes the US system almost unworkable.

Also if you read the rest of my post, my voting is not negative. History shows that it is the third parties in Canada; especially the NDP that have had the greatest and most positive influence on social policy. Until that changes I will keep on voting left of centre rather than for more conservative parties which tend to promote long periods of government inaction even when faced with critical issues.

 

[Colpy]

Another reason to vote Conservative........(and its about bloody time!)

Tories blast Duceppe's attempt at budget 'blackmail'

Jane Taber

1. Don’t forget the kitchen sink. Stephen Harper’s Conservatives are spitting mad over Gilles Duceppe’s demands for a $5-billion compensation package in return for support for the budget.

According to one government MP, reports detailing the Bloc Québécois Leader’s ask spread through the Tory caucus like “wildfire” on Wednesday.

“The demand is outrageous,” the MP said, vowing the Tories would not be “blackmailed” into avoiding an election despite Mr. Harper’s repeated vows not to provoke one.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/

Keep these guys away from power........and make no mistake, without a Conservative majority, Gilles will be calling the shots, to one extent or another.

 

[Trotz]

Why are we discussing our politicial choices? In a FPTP, most of our votes are wasted unless we happened to vote for the party which receives the highest percentage in the local riding.

Not so much a problem for me as the Conservatives have won my local ridings as long as I could remember. But that is just me hopeing that there is still some of the Reform Party left in the Conservatives, not so much the free trade, neo conservative foreign policies of the old Reform, but rather the stance against bilingualism and strong Federal Government.
Even if it came to an independent Western Canada or Dual Monarchy Canada (autonomous western Canada), the Prairie and B.C. Socialists wouldn't disappear.

 

[Colpy]

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[Machjo]

Another reason to vote Conservative........(and its about bloody time!)



Ottawa Notebook - The Globe and Mail

Keep these guys away from power........and make no mistake, without a Conservative majority, Gilles will be calling the shots, to one extent or another.

Conservative Majority or not, he'll still get his one vote as an MP in Parliament, as it ought to be in our democracy. Like him or hate him, he has been chosen by his constituents, just as every other MP has.

Personally, I wonder if some kind of two-state solution could work. In other words, all Canadians would continue to share a common citizenship and passport, but otherwise Quebec and the rest of Canada would be sovereign states each with its own ambassador to the UN.

Now of course the question becomes what to call this common citizenship and passport. One possibility could be something like a Pan-Canadian passport or something or other, while Quebec and the ROC would be two distinct countries otherwise, of course with Quebec getting no representation in Canada's Parliament, but also not being subject to Canadian laws either.

In principle, either country could walk out of this common citizenship agreement (they would be independent countries after all), but I think we could encourage such agreement as a sign of goodwill, especially considering the huge number of inter-provincial marriages and families along the Ontario-Quebec border today. This would likely eliminate much immigration bureaucracy and paperwork along the border. Consider too that many border towns are very much economically interdependent too. And with so much economic restructuring going on after such a split, it goes without saying that we wouldn't need to cause even more economic hardship on either side of the border than would be required.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[talloola]

i'm 72 years old, and have voted every election that I could.

I will probably vote for the lesser of all the evils, but 'who' would that be.

For the first time, I have thoughts of ignoring the whole thing, who gives a damn who
I vote for anyway.

It is a short term dictatorship anyway, and if the voter throw out the 'cad', then the new
dictator comes in for their stint.

I don't care anymore. I am just as happy as an individual 'whomever' is in power, my life doesn't
change much at all.

I voted NDP for years, as they seemed more down to earth and connected to the people, but from what
I have seen over the past few years, they will jump into bed with whomever will join them to knock
the government out of power, then they will separate and become enemies again. ?????????? what's
that about.

Yup, the more I am typing the more I am deciding 'not to bother'.

 

[gerryh]

actually Talloola, everytime the NDP has "jumped into bed" with the cons or the Libs it has been to advance the NDP's agenda. To force whomever is in or will be in power to use or bring forward NDP legislation. It has not been just for the sole purpose of getting rid of someone, but for the selfish purpose of putting forward the NDP agenda. When you vote NDP, or if you are an NDP supporter, then you should be ecstatic when the NDP has the opportunity to wield this kind of power.

 

[Starscream]

I will vote for the Conservatives. Military support is the key to getting my vote, and in that arena the Conservatives are the winners by a wide margin.

 

[Kreskin]

I'll vote for anyone, if they have something worth supporting. I've voted for candidates from every party, except BLOC (I'm in BC). The last handful of elections, even Municipal, my vote has been somewhat strategic, supporting candidates I don't get too enthusiastic about but see them as the lesser of two or three evils. My preference is a minority government. I don't like electing dictators. An example is the US, where the right has taken back enough strength to require both sides to edge closer to the middle. In my view the present Canadian Conservative minority is working fine.

 

[Trotz]

I'll vote for anyone, if they have something worth supporting. I've voted for candidates from every party, except BLOC (I'm in BC). The last handful of elections, even Municipal, my vote has been somewhat strategic, supporting candidates I don't get too enthusiastic about but see them as the lesser of two or three evils. My preference is a minority government. I don't like electing dictators. An example is the US, where the right has taken back enough strength to require both sides to edge closer to the middle. In my view the present Canadian Conservative minority is working fine.

Yes a minority government is preferable, prevents anyone from rocking the boat too far, unfortunately we had a few Quebec politicians who have done that already.

I wonder how many more minority governments we have to go through until we start thinking of adopting a STV or mixed-PR system? I like the mixed-PR system the most, no party will ever get a majority and would be forced to form coalitions with similiar ideologies and more issues (as oppose to 95% of them being ignored as per FPTP) will come out and be tackled.

 

[talloola]

actually Talloola, everytime the NDP has "jumped into bed" with the cons or the Libs it has been to advance the NDP's agenda. To force whomever is in or will be in power to use or bring forward NDP legislation. It has not been just for the sole purpose of getting rid of someone, but for the selfish purpose of putting forward the NDP agenda. When you vote NDP, or if you are an NDP supporter, then you should be ecstatic when the NDP has the opportunity to wield this kind of power.

interesting, yeah makes sense, something to think about.