Why Can't Canada Be Like Norway on Oil Revenues?

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[Editor's note: The Tyee sent veteran energy issues journalist Mitchell Anderson to Norway to learn how it amassed a $600 billion oil savings fund for its population of under 5 million, a stark contrast to Canada.]



How did Norwegians get so petro-smart?

These benefits include free university tuition, universal day care and 25 days of paid holidays per year. Per capita spending on health care is 30 per cent higher in Norway; funding for arts and culture is more than three times higher than Canada.

Norway's amazing savings account

Norway produces 40 per cent less petroleum than Canada and has one-seventh our population, but has saved more than $600 billion in oil revenue and counting. This is equivalent to about 140 per cent of Norwegian GDP, or about $120,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. In contrast, every Canadian is in the red about $16,000 due to our $566-billion national debt.

While Canada is eliminating 19,000 public sector jobs in an effort to balance the budget, Norway is debt-free, enjoys full employment and has fourth highest per capita GDP in the world. Canada is twelfth.




Beyond economics, Norway is an obviously fortunate place to live. It is routinely ranked number one in the world on the Human Development Index, is the world's best-governed nation according to the Democracy Index, and is the best country in the world to be a mother.

Norway's tough deal with foreign firms

How is all this paid for? Since the 1970s, Norway as a matter of policy has collected between 70 per cent and 80 per cent of the resource wealth generated from their oil industry through corporate taxes twice as high as Canada, and a special tax on oil profits. In Alberta, royalties collected on all oil sands production in 2010 were 10 per cent of industry revenues.

Norway also required that foreign companies train Norwegian workers, transfer proprietary technologies to their state-owned oil company Statoil, and in some cases even hand over producing oil platforms free of charge after a predetermined period.

This insistence on national participation has paid off. Companies controlled by the Norwegian taxpayer now directly own about 30 per cent of the nation's oil production, providing another significant source of income as well as technical input on how their resource is developed.

With minor exceptions, Ottawa and the provinces have no equity share whatsoever in our petroleum resources. Canada remains the only nation of the top 10 oil-producing countries (excluding the US) without a state-controlled petroleum company. National oil companies elsewhere in the world now control 52 per cent of global oil production and 88 per cent of proven reserves.

Petro-Canada was created as a wholly owned Crown Corporation in 1975 but it was regarded with suspicion in Alberta as a federal intrusion into provincial jurisdiction. Ottawa's remaining minor stake in the company was quietly sold off in 2004.


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[Editor's note: The Tyee sent veteran energy issues journalist Mitchell Anderson to Norway to learn how it amassed a $600 billion oil savings fund for its population of under 5 million, a stark contrast to Canada.]



How did Norwegians get so petro-smart?

These benefits include free university tuition, universal day care and 25 days of paid holidays per year. Per capita spending on health care is 30 per cent higher in Norway; funding for arts and culture is more than three times higher than Canada.

Norway's amazing savings account

Norway produces 40 per cent less petroleum than Canada and has one-seventh our population, but has saved more than $600 billion in oil revenue and counting. This is equivalent to about 140 per cent of Norwegian GDP, or about $120,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. In contrast, every Canadian is in the red about $16,000 due to our $566-billion national debt.

While Canada is eliminating 19,000 public sector jobs in an effort to balance the budget, Norway is debt-free, enjoys full employment and has fourth highest per capita GDP in the world. Canada is twelfth.




Beyond economics, Norway is an obviously fortunate place to live. It is routinely ranked number one in the world on the Human Development Index, is the world's best-governed nation according to the Democracy Index, and is the best country in the world to be a mother.

Norway's tough deal with foreign firms

How is all this paid for? Since the 1970s, Norway as a matter of policy has collected between 70 per cent and 80 per cent of the resource wealth generated from their oil industry through corporate taxes twice as high as Canada, and a special tax on oil profits. In Alberta, royalties collected on all oil sands production in 2010 were 10 per cent of industry revenues.

Norway also required that foreign companies train Norwegian workers, transfer proprietary technologies to their state-owned oil company Statoil, and in some cases even hand over producing oil platforms free of charge after a predetermined period.

This insistence on national participation has paid off. Companies controlled by the Norwegian taxpayer now directly own about 30 per cent of the nation's oil production, providing another significant source of income as well as technical input on how their resource is developed.

With minor exceptions, Ottawa and the provinces have no equity share whatsoever in our petroleum resources. Canada remains the only nation of the top 10 oil-producing countries (excluding the US) without a state-controlled petroleum company. National oil companies elsewhere in the world now control 52 per cent of global oil production and 88 per cent of proven reserves.

Petro-Canada was created as a wholly owned Crown Corporation in 1975 but it was regarded with suspicion in Alberta as a federal intrusion into provincial jurisdiction. Ottawa's remaining minor stake in the company was quietly sold off in 2004.


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1. Norway has almost three times the oil production per capita than Canada.

2. Their oil producing infrastructure has been in place for years, and only requires maintenance.....and the oil that comes out of the sea floor is a much higher grade than oil sands oil. In other words, it has a much higher profit margin.......easier to extract a much higher grade of oil.

3. In Canada, natural resources are constitutionally awarded to the province.
 

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[Editor's note: The Tyee sent veteran energy issues journalist Mitchell Anderson to Norway to learn how it amassed a $600 billion oil savings fund for its population of under 5 million, a stark contrast to Canada.]



How did Norwegians get so petro-smart?

These benefits include free university tuition, universal day care and 25 days of paid holidays per year. Per capita spending on health care is 30 per cent higher in Norway; funding for arts and culture is more than three times higher than Canada.

Norway's amazing savings account

Norway produces 40 per cent less petroleum than Canada and has one-seventh our population, but has saved more than $600 billion in oil revenue and counting. This is equivalent to about 140 per cent of Norwegian GDP, or about $120,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. In contrast, every Canadian is in the red about $16,000 due to our $566-billion national debt.

While Canada is eliminating 19,000 public sector jobs in an effort to balance the budget, Norway is debt-free, enjoys full employment and has fourth highest per capita GDP in the world. Canada is twelfth.




Beyond economics, Norway is an obviously fortunate place to live. It is routinely ranked number one in the world on the Human Development Index, is the world's best-governed nation according to the Democracy Index, and is the best country in the world to be a mother.

Norway's tough deal with foreign firms

How is all this paid for? Since the 1970s, Norway as a matter of policy has collected between 70 per cent and 80 per cent of the resource wealth generated from their oil industry through corporate taxes twice as high as Canada, and a special tax on oil profits. In Alberta, royalties collected on all oil sands production in 2010 were 10 per cent of industry revenues.

Norway also required that foreign companies train Norwegian workers, transfer proprietary technologies to their state-owned oil company Statoil, and in some cases even hand over producing oil platforms free of charge after a predetermined period.

This insistence on national participation has paid off. Companies controlled by the Norwegian taxpayer now directly own about 30 per cent of the nation's oil production, providing another significant source of income as well as technical input on how their resource is developed.

With minor exceptions, Ottawa and the provinces have no equity share whatsoever in our petroleum resources. Canada remains the only nation of the top 10 oil-producing countries (excluding the US) without a state-controlled petroleum company. National oil companies elsewhere in the world now control 52 per cent of global oil production and 88 per cent of proven reserves.

Petro-Canada was created as a wholly owned Crown Corporation in 1975 but it was regarded with suspicion in Alberta as a federal intrusion into provincial jurisdiction. Ottawa's remaining minor stake in the company was quietly sold off in 2004.


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Taxes are higher too. Not necessarily a bad thing, but just pointing out another difference.

I do agree though that the government ought to sell off Crown resources at a higher price no doubt.
 

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PS: This look at Norway and their Oil money is a 9 article series, long but worth the read......


The Tyee – Secrets to Norway's Petro-Wealth: Lessons for Canada?




The thing about Oil Revenues being a Provincial issue is one thing and we alway's look at Alberta because it's the biggest so I must ask, why is Alberta in such bad shape?


Alberta has been unable to balance the books since 2007, burning through $17.7 billion of past oil wealth, with another $3 billion deficit forecast for the coming budget.


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PS: This look at Norway and their Oil money is a 9 article series, long but worth the read......


The Tyee – Secrets to Norway's Petro-Wealth: Lessons for Canada?




The thing about Oil Revenues being a Provincial issue is one thing and we alway's look at Alberta because it's the biggest so I must ask, why is Alberta in such bad shape?


Alberta has been unable to balance the books since 2007, burning through $17.7 billion of past oil wealth, with another $3 billion deficit forecast for the coming budget.


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Alberta currently has a problem with rapid population and infrastructure growth caused mainly by the rapid development of the Oil Sands. Importing the unemployed from other provinces is expensive. In reality(something the Tyee almost never knows) Alberta oil wealth is subsidizing social programs in all provinces simply because of the huge number of transient workers that send their paycheques to their home province.
 

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The thing about Oil Revenues being a Provincial issue is one thing and we alway's look at Alberta because it's the biggest so I must ask, why is Alberta in such bad shape?


Alberta has been unable to balance the books since 2007, burning through $17.7 billion of past oil wealth, with another $3 billion deficit forecast for the coming budget.

You might want to rethink your statement on the AB economy.

No outstanding debt and the 17.7 billion has been spent on provincial initiatives (roads, hospitals, etc).
 

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We should be doing things differently that's for sure. A mirror of Norway, maybe not but we could make some positive changes for Canadians. Definitely raise the tax on foreign oil companies, add another big tax if they want to export crude. We should also force all oil companies to sign a deal to sell to Canadians oil at cost +10%. Whatever they have after Canada gets what it requires they can sell on the open market.

A friend of mine with BP told me that even after paying for the gulf oil spill they showed a $28billion profit that year. Think about how much money we must be leaving on the table.
 

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We should be doing things differently that's for sure. A mirror of Norway, maybe not but we could make some positive changes for Canadians. Definitely raise the tax on foreign oil companies, add another big tax if they want to export crude. We should also force all oil companies to sign a deal to sell to Canadians oil at cost +10%. Whatever they have after Canada gets what it requires they can sell on the open market.

A friend of mine with BP told me that even after paying for the gulf oil spill they showed a $28billion profit that year. Think about how much money we must be leaving on the table.

Why a tax on foreign oil companies only? Whether we raise or lower taxes on oil companies, I say tax them all alike, none of this nationalist chauvinism.
 

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Why a tax on foreign oil companies only? Whether we raise or lower taxes on oil companies, I say tax them all alike, none of this nationalist chauvinism.

The foreign companies don't just want our oil, they need it. That puts us in the driver's seat and allows for some good nationalistic policy to benefit Canada & Canadians instead of foreigners. Just becomes the cost of doing business in CANADIAN oil.
 

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You might want to rethink your statement on the AB economy.

No outstanding debt and the 17.7 billion has been spent on provincial initiatives (roads, hospitals, etc).



Well it's not my statement but from the article but a quick search finds this from 2011;


Alberta will end the year in the red with a $3.1 billion deficit, predicts the province's second-quarter budget update.

The deficit leaves the government with some tough decisions to make, as Premier Alison Redford wants to balance the books within two years, said Liepert.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...gIGwCg&usg=AFQjCNF6wWNS-EpJhuW116EqW_zvqtIDWg



And this from August 2012

In the February budget, the Redford government predicted it would post a more manageable $886-million deficit for the 2012-13 fiscal year. But in its first-quarter update Thursday, the province forecast a deficit between $2.3 billion and $3 billion this year.
Horner said the government will take a number of steps - without raising taxes or imposing drastic cutbacks - to improve the province's financial health.


Read more: 'This is ugly,' critics say as Alberta government predicts budget deficit could hit $3 billion
 

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tay,

'Economic health' is a relative measure. If you really seek to understand AB's current (and relative) economic situation, compare it to other Canadian provinces and US states. Start with the applicable deficits and debts and I believe that you'll see the absurdity in the Tyee's commentary
 

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PS: This look at Norway and their Oil money is a 9 article series, long but worth the read......


The Tyee – Secrets to Norway's Petro-Wealth: Lessons for Canada?




The thing about Oil Revenues being a Provincial issue is one thing and we alway's look at Alberta because it's the biggest so I must ask, why is Alberta in such bad shape?


Alberta has been unable to balance the books since 2007, burning through $17.7 billion of past oil wealth, with another $3 billion deficit forecast for the coming budget.


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That's what they get for electing bloody socialists pretending to be conservatives.
 

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The main reason why Canada can't be like Norway is because Natural Resources are Provincial, NOT Federal....... and we all know the reaction when the feds try to "impose" a change in those roles.
 

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There's also the cultural differences. Scandinavian countries tend to be more collectivist than us in North America. Though the Premiers were talking about a Canada-wide energy strategy at the First Ministers meeting. Talking mind you...

Hell, what better example of the differences than Colpy calling Reford and her party socialists, in a thread comparing Canada to a nation like Norway that actually has nationalized oil production.
 

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Somehow, that reminds me of the New Brunswick potash business. When potash was first developed here, the gov't was criticised for wanting too much in royalties, compared to Saskatchewan. A decade later, the gov't is criticised for not getting as much in royalties as Saskatchewan now does.

Things change. Don't fret, governments will take as much in royalties/taxes as they think they can get away with. If you elect/hire the right people, you'll get lots of money. Elect/hire the wrong people, and they'll let their friends have the profits.
 

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Couple of other points to consider, I'm not sure what Norway's production costs are. Ft Mc costs are probably over $80/bbl.

AB crude from the Oil Sands is bitumen, it has to be upgraded to get to about 25 API from about 12, so it does not get full WTI price for its oil. There is usually a price spread of about $10/bbl.

Norway get Brent prices for its oil, we get WTI price adjusted for ours. Right now Brent is selling for $111/bbl and WTI is at $90 /bbl.
 

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There has long been a disturbing tendency for Canadian governments to allow foreign expoloitation of natural resources. This has been the pattern in almost every resource sector. The result has been both good and bad. Good, becasue it has led to rapid development of resources resulting in government revenue and job creation. Bad because it has led to foreign domination of the resource sector and and continual flow of profits out of the country. It has also led to undue influcence in Canadain politics through the funding of political parties likely to support continued foreign investment. In any other nation, the way Canada has given away its resources would be a major cause of concern,. but most Canadians seem quite oblivious to the problems caused by foreign domination fo Canada's resource sector.
 

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The foreign companies don't just want our oil, they need it. That puts us in the driver's seat and allows for some good nationalistic policy to benefit Canada & Canadians instead of foreigners. Just becomes the cost of doing business in CANADIAN oil.

Canada is already one of the wealthier countries in the world, plus we already have the advantage with our languages being major world languages. And now you want to screw the world over some more because we happen to be lucky enough to have most of the resources?

There absolutely needs to be a spiritual dimension to economic policy.

There has long been a disturbing tendency for Canadian governments to allow foreign expoloitation of natural resources.

And why would foreign exploitation be eny better or worse than domestic exploitation?

This has been the pattern in almost every resource sector. The result has been both good and bad. Good, becasue it has led to rapid development of resources resulting in government revenue and job creation. Bad because it has led to foreign domination of the resource sector and and continual flow of profits out of the country.

Sell Crown resources at a higher price and it would solve most of this problem. But again, I'm not saying selling them off cheaply to Canadian companies either. I just mean sell them at higher cost all round without discrimination.

And if some of that money flows out of the country, remember much money also flows in. Can't have it both ways.

It has also led to undue influcence in Canadain politics through the funding of political parties likely to support continued foreign investment. In any other nation, the way Canada has given away its resources would be a major cause of concern,. but most Canadians seem quite oblivious to the problems caused by foreign domination fo Canada's resource sector.

Again you miss the point. I don't care who exploits them, as long as the government sells the resources at their real value and not at cheap bargain prices.

Also, just to clarity, there is no "development of resources. They were there before columbus arrived. We're just exploiting what's already there. The fact that they are a finite resources is what leads me to believe the government ought to sell them at a much higher price.