Who's worse, the rioters or the vigilantes?

[petros]

Do you get curling riots in Saint John?

 

[gerryh]

You take an audience of largely young males, you fuel them with alcohol, you show them a demonstration of violence in which the normal rules of behaviour are suspended, brutality and group violence are expected, and the perpetrators of same are idiolized.......then you let them loose on the street.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT??????

I expect them to behave like civilized humans.

When the Flames lost to Tampa BAy in 2004, the red mile(17ave SW) was party central. People celebrating Calgary making it to the finals and coming in 2nd. If my memory serves me right, the worst that happened was people being ticketed for urinating in public.

 

[petros]

It's the way Vancouver is. Some cities are civilized other's aren't.

 

[earth_as_one]

I expect fellow Canadians not to destroy property or assault people because they lost a hockey game. If you commit these crimes then you should face the consequences.

....You've stated it well- I'm for restitution, so if they can provide the cash to cover their damage, I'd go along with that and 50 hours of community work. If they can't provided restitution then I think the value of the damage could be taken out in hours of community work at $10 an hour. I liked one judges ruling for a kid caught slashing tires- he spent his Saturdays inflating truck tires with a bicycle pump! This thing has now gotten way out of hand and it's going to end up with the perps getting sympathy.

Re: New Orleans man sentenced to life in prison for marijuana conviction

The judge probably felt he wasn't "getting the picture" the other three times. :icon_smile:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/99972-new-orleans-man-sentenced-life.html


So let me get this right. You believe that people who smash windows, loot stores while crapping and pissing on stuff too big to steal while assaulting others should get a light reprimand, yet someone convicted of possessing marijuana and a set of scales should get life in prison.

 

[JLM]

It's the way Vancouver is. Some cities are civilized other's aren't.

Which ones? Maybe Vatican City! :lol:

I expect fellow Canadians not to destroy property or assault people because they lost a hockey game. If you commit these crimes then you should face the consequences.



Re: New Orleans man sentenced to life in prison for marijuana conviction

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/99972-new-orleans-man-sentenced-life.html


So let me get this right. You believe that people who smash windows, loot stores while crapping and pissing on stuff too big to steal while assaulting others should get a light reprimand, yet someone convicted of possessing marijuana and a set of scales should get life in prison.

I don't know where you get this stuff from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've said all along that they should make full restitution, are you another one who can't read? 8O

Earth As One- You should learn how to read, I've never stated that people should be sentenced to life in prison for a marijuana conviction- it's people like you who get rumours started and denigrate people. :roll:

 

[Tonington]

You take an audience of largely young males, you fuel them with alcohol, you show them a demonstration of violence in which the normal rules of behaviour are suspended, brutality and group violence are expected, and the perpetrators of same are idiolized.......then you let them loose on the street.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT??????

Don't forget psuedo-nationalism for lack of a better word. Or maybe intense brand loyalty.

It's notable though that not all sports get rowdy fans who will riot, and that even in sports like hockey, some cities just don't react in the same manner.

 

[earth_as_one]

I must not be able to read. I got the impression that you thought that life in prison for possessing marijuana for the purpose of distribution might be unduly harsh, but since it was his 4th conviction, not completely unreasonable. Yet in this string, you don't support any time in prison for people who cause property damage and assault others.

IMO, if someone his not hurting others or damaging the property of others, then its a victimless crime. Smoking marijuana is a victimless crime. Selling it to others might involve victimization, depending on who they are selling it to. If selling to an adult who smokes regularly then its a victimless crime. Introducing children to any drug including marijuana, alcohol or tobacco should be a serious crime. Kicking someone in the face while they are down,which could seriously injure or kill someone is a serious crime. Property damage is a less serious crime than a middle aged guy smoking dope in his house.

 

[JLM]

I must not be able to read. I got the impression that you thought that life in prison for possessing marijuana for the purpose of distribution might be unduly harsh, but since it was his 4th conviction, not completely unreasonable. Yet in this string, you don't support any time in prison for people who cause property damage and assault others.

IMO, if someone his not hurting others or damaging the property of others, then its a victimless crime. Smoking marijuana is a victimless crime. Selling it to others might involve victimization, depending on who they are selling it to. If selling to an adult who smokes regularly then its a victimless crime. Introducing children to any drug including marijuana, alcohol or tobacco should be a serious crime. Kicking someone in the face while they are down,which could seriously injure or kill someone is a serious crime. Property damage is a less serious crime than a middle aged guy smoking dope in his house.

Time in prison for people who cause property damage is counter productive, there are worse punishments than imprisonment (unless the culprit is doing hard time breaking rocks) For assault causing bodily harm I would be comfortable with a short stint in prison (doing hard time breaking rocks) for 30 days. The guy would learn a lot more doing things like scrubbing obscene graffiti off walls for two years. I don't believe I made ANY suggestion as to the appropriate sentence for involvement with marijuana.

 

[talloola]

I've been wondering about that kid, coming from a home where there is apparently a fair degree of both wealth and prestige, there's a couple of questions that come to mind..............1: Was the kid brought up with the expectation of being handed every whim, without having to work or take responsibility for anything? or on the other hand, 2: Was the kid raised by a couple of social climbers whose activities precluded the boy from a normal family situation and he was just striking out after being ignored for so long? Regardless I think he may be the product of a dysfunctional home. Not that any of the above should let him off the hook, he needs to learn a serious lesson before he is totally destroyed.

he obviously has some sort of 'dislike' for the police, wonder where he got that attitude. there is
a big difference from being caught up in a riot, and doing dumb things, than 'torching' a police car,
maybe that is connected to his home life, maybe his parents also has disrespect for the law, or he
would have stopped before he did such a violent thing, and he is lucky there was not an explosion,
which killed someone, very lucky, or he would be facing more serious charges.

Parents who teach their children, from an early age, to respect the police, and fireman, will have
that taught to them all through their childhood, and will think long and hard before doing what he
did.

young offenders will not be doing jail time. community service, and lots of it,
is constructive in my opinion.
those who are adults should be charged and sentenced according to their individual
participation, and also do community service.

to answer the op question: those who use vigilante methods of lashing back, are
just continueing the violence of the rioters, and are not constructive, just the
opposite.

 

[Praxius]

Do you get curling riots in Saint John?

Those stones are good for flying through windows

HURRY!!!! HURRY HARD!!! THE RIOT POLICE ARE COMING, EH!!!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... I guess some people will never get it.

That's pretty much the whole point to me, and I think the psychological results you cited demonstrate it. In reality, it IS just a game, it's entertainment, but some people, the ones who'll never get it, take it way too seriously, and for them it becomes an expression of primitive tribalism, us against them, we're better, stronger, faster, whatever, than you are, a kind of stylized warfare in which the outcome REALLY matters. But it doesn't. Living in Regina as I do, I'm interested in seeing the Riders win, and the last two Grey Cup games have made me a little sad for about 10 minutes, but that's really all that's worth investing in it. Saskatchewan's economy continues to boom along despite two consecutive Grey Cup losses, most of us are doing fairly well, the sport fundamentally doesn't matter in the larger scheme of things. It's fun and entertaining, nice to win, sad to lose, but if it means anything more than that, if ego and self-respect are involved in it even as just a spectator... well, someone like that has some serious issues and should seek professional help with understanding reality.

 

[ironsides]

Urban Atrophy - Victor Cullen