What should Canada give up in new NAFTA

[Twin_Moose]

Congressman makes dairy plea in NAFTA talks

OTTAWA - The pressure on the Liberals to loosen protections around Canada's dairy sector took new focus on Sunday as the key stumbling block in North American Free Trade Agreement talks came under scrutiny and spin on political talk shows on both sides of the border.
A member of an influential Congressional panel — and a Donald Trump supporter — said in a Canadian interview that providing American dairy farmers with more access to the Canadian market may appease the president.
To the south, Trump's agriculture secretary suggested deeper concessions would be coming from the Canadians over Canada's system of managing supply and prices in the dairy sector.
Republican Tom Reed, a member of the House ways and means committee, said Trump doesn't necessarily want the Liberals to get rid of the system, but simply to remove what the Americans see as trade barriers.
"Many have seen this market over the last few decades, from an American point of view, as just being off the table," Reed said in an interview with Global's "The West Block" that aired Sunday morning.
"We're just interested in breaking those barriers and having a solid relationship with our partners to the north."
The politically thorny issue remains an obstacle in NAFTA negotiations as discussions drag on without an agreement after 13 months of talks, started at Trump's behest.
How negotiations play out will determine the fate of numerous jobs and hundreds of billions in trade between the two nations.
Canada and the U.S. are trying to finalize a text that could be submitted to Congress by the end of the month to join the deal the Trump administration signed with Mexico.
Also unresolved are protections to Canada's cultural sector and the Chapter 19 dispute resolution mechanism.
Dairy has been singled out as a key hurdle, including on Friday when Larry Kudlow, a senior economic adviser to Trump, said in a Fox Business Network interview that what "continues to block the deal is m-i-l-k."
When asked about Kudlow's comments, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said bluntly: "He's not at the negotiating table."
"We're looking for a deal which is good for Canadians, which is good for Canadian workers, which is good for Canadian families (and) good for Canadian farmers," Freeland said on "The West Block."
Canada expanded foreign access to its dairy sector in trade deals with the European Union and with 10 Pacific Rim countries. The Pacific trade pact provided those countries with access to 3.25 per cent of Canada's market, and expectations are the U.S. won't go any lower.
U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said he expected Canada to also scrap a two-year-old pricing agreement that has restricted U.S. exports of ultra-filtered milk used to make dairy products.
"Our farmers don't have access to the Canadian markets the way that they have access to us," Perdue said in an interview that aired Sunday on C-SPAN.
"If they want to manage the supply, we are simply saying manage your supply for your dairy industry and let's be done with it."
Canada's dairy farmers believe they've already given enough to foreign producers in previous trade deals and aren't interested in ceding any more ground.
Former Quebec premier Jean Charest said on CTV's "Question Period" any decisions the Liberals make now will have ramifications in the 2019 federal election, particularly in vote-rich Ontario and Quebec.
"For this government to go out and be seen as giving too much to the American side on agriculture, and dairy in particular, would be ... almost suicidal politically," Charest said.

Trump is threatening to move ahead on a deal without Canada.
He is also looking for a political win ahead of November's midterm elections where members of Congress in border states, like Reed, are looking to retain their seats and calm the nerves of businesses whose biggest export customer is Canada.
The hope is for a trilateral agreement in principle that Congress can approve before Mexico's new president takes office on Dec. 1.

 

[Hoid]

The US dairy industry has been destroyed by lack of supply controls.

What they are asking is for us to allow them to destroy our dairy industry in a hopeless attempt to fix their own system.

Free access to the Canadian market will not make the slightest dent in US over-production.

It is a spurious argument and if that is actually what is holding up the larger agreement we need to look at removing ourselves from NAFTA until a new president is in office and some semblance of sanity returns to the American political scene.

 

[spilledthebeer]

The US dairy industry has been destroyed by lack of supply controls.

What they are asking is for us to allow them to destroy our dairy industry in a hopeless attempt to fix their own system.

Free access to the Canadian market will not make the slightest dent in US over-production.

It is a spurious argument and if that is actually what is holding up the larger agreement we need to look at removing ourselves from NAFTA until a new president is in office and some semblance of sanity returns to the American political scene.

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Hoid asks what we should give up for NAFTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



VERY FUNNY STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE should give up everything that Hoid holds dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning DUMP ALL LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE should DEPORT all the illegals that LIE-berals have so unwisely invited to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If they are not fit for Yankee citzenship then they are not fit for us either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We should immediately attack gangs and organize crime in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Two gang banger from the notorious MS13 gang were arrested recently while trying to enter United States from Canada- and they HAD LEGITIMATE CDN PAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdn national security SUCKS and we need to change that as Yankees regard Canada being used as a base of operations against Yankees as a threat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cdn national security was GUTTED in the day of PIerre Trudeau who told us "Canada has NO secrets so we do not need to monitor spies coming here from around the world to become "Cdn" just so they can steal Yankee technology!


Twenty five years ago Chinese military jet engines had one tenth the service life of western engines and the gsp has now been made up by theft of technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Free trade and open borders are NOT COMPATIBLE with LIE-beral indifference to national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As long as LIE-berals are in charge- Cdns can expect trouble with Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yankees will continue bagering us about dairy and lumber as long as Our idiot Boy plays DUMB about national secuerity issues

 

[Twin_Moose]

Same posturing for votes that Trudeau is using when he says Canada will not dismantle the marketing boards

 

[Gilgamesh]

What should Canada give?

...up on Uncle Sam

What should Canada give up?

Trudeau!

 

[Gilgamesh]

History holds many lessons for those of us who care to remember. It shows us the outcome of decisions and the unintended consequences they generate. So it is fitting that we pause, reflect on the actions of past governments and ensure that previous mistakes are not repeated today.

As the country prepares to embark on what’s sure to be contentious negotiations over NAFTA with our neighbours to the south, it will be critical for the Trudeau government to continue to stand tall and defend the interests of Canadian industry with passion and conviction.

As if to remind ourselves of how vital it is to support Canadian manufacturing excellence, media outlets reported recently on attempts to recover scale prototypes from Lake Ontario of the Canadian aerospace industry’s greatest historical achievement, the Avro Arrow.

The fighter jet was a magnificent achievement of engineering, ingenuity and performance that was cast away — a story of opportunity lost and potential unrealized.

The demise of the Arrow in 1959 led to the near collapse of Canada’s aerospace industry: tens of thousands of Canadian jobs were lost and the flood gates for an unprecedented brain drain of talented Canadian aerospace engineers and manufacturers to the United States were opened.

The Arrow was no ordinary plane. It represented the pinnacle of Canadian aerospace and technological achievement in its day, pushing the physical limits of what was deemed possible by engineers across the world. But, the Arrow’s moment in the sun turned swiftly dark as the John Diefenbaker government caved to operational integration with American defence interests, opting for U.S. manufactured missiles over Canadian built fighters.

The wrong decision about a single aircraft program had massive ramifications for the Canadian industry and would haunt the legacy of the prairie lawyer turned prime minister. For many Canadians, the death of the Arrow was unforgivable.
Fast forward to today. What does that experience teach us? Apparently, a lot.

The Trudeau government has moved swiftly and decidedly to defend Canadian interests and Canadian innovation against ludicrous U.S. Trade Law challenges against Bombardier’s C Series program by Boeing.

Like the Arrow, the C Series is reinventing a category, and redefining single-aisle jet travel through technological innovations in fuel efficiency, noise reduction, environmental footprint, and cabin comfort. Canada has developed its passenger jet of the future. And like the Arrow — thousands of jobs and an enormous domestic supply chain, both in Canada and the United States, are supported by its components and assembly.

But drawing upon lessons from the cancellation of the Arrow program, Trudeau and his ministers have been consistent in their position — Bombardier is following the rules, and Boeing’s claims are self-serving and unfounded. And, rather than cave in to the powerful forces south of the border, Canada is standing firm.

In fact, the Trudeau government has even threatened to scrap talks with Boeing on a potential contract from Canada for a fleet of Boeing-produced CF-18 fighters. Trudeau has thus far made it clear that a Canadian defence aerospace deal will not take place with a firm that at the same time seeks to dismantle Canada’s world class commercial aerospace industry. Boeing seems to have severely miscalculated. This government knows its country’s history.

Aerospace conjures images of technology and innovation. Yet, its story includes the greatest missed opportunity in Canadian history. It’s time to write a new, confident and forward-looking story — for Canada, and for the thousands of people who have invented greatness yet again.

Aziz Guergachi is a professor at the Ted Rogers School of Management and is the academic adviser, MBA internships, in the aerospace industry at Ted Rogers MBA. He is also an adjunct professor at York University, mathematics and statistics department.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/com...member-the-avro-arrow-during-nafta-talks.html

I worked on the Avro Arrow. Cancelling it was the right move although Diefs move was needlessly vindictive.


Look up the specs. The Arrow was a short range special purpose specialized fighter that cost way way too much.

 

[MHz]

Canada should give up obeying the US on who we can and cannot trade with if they also want to dictate the terms in NAFTA. Like spineless jelly-fish we will do squat except obey our masters, the Queen and her Cohorts.

 

[MHz]

I worked on the Avro Arrow. Cancelling it was the right move although Diefs move was needlessly vindictive.
Look up the specs. The Arrow was a short range special purpose specialized fighter that cost way way too much.

You want supersonic speeds and good gas mileage??

It was to designed to hit bombers coming from the far north, they were not expected to return to base on those missions. Today we should be leading the world in missile defense instead of buying fleets of fighters that are only good for the wars NATO picks to fight. (against unarmed nations).

All the smart Canadians just moved south and did the same work but at a much slower rate so unless you see having your balls chopped off is a good move there was nothing good about Canadian R&D being shut down permanently.

 

[Twin_Moose]

I worked on the Avro Arrow. Cancelling it was the right move although Diefs move was needlessly vindictive.
Look up the specs. The Arrow was a short range special purpose specialized fighter that cost way way too much.

Do you think Canada could develop another cutting edge fighter through the Bombardier program?

 

[petros]

LMFAO

Not without Raytheon being onside.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Do you think they couldn't make a deal Pete?

 

[Twin_Moose]

We should be looking into supersonic drone technology, we are handing out money to bombardier for nothing maybe we could make it worth something for national security.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Do you think Canada could develop another cutting edge fighter through the Bombardier program?

Bombardier? No wucking fay. Sad to say, we missed that boat.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Why not? they have the facilities, just not smart enough?

 

[Hoid]

lol Raytheon

on a serious note - no - Bombardier would never be allowed to develop a fighter to compete against US fighters.

Boeing took Bombardier to court for selling a plane that Boeing does not even compete against

Obviously anyone making fighters in America would demand trade protection against any Bombardier fighter aircraft

 

[Twin_Moose]

I'm not saying that there won't be challenges, Boeing does have plants in Canada and would have a legit beef, Canada could throw out national security on this to make it happen, and use the Tariff and Boeing dispute as evidence in support of it, nothing is impossible.

 

[Hoid]

Canadian aerospace has been pretty much reduced to branch plant economics - just like the auto industry.

Bombardier is an exception - and look at the "support" this last man standing gets from the conservatives.

 

[pgs]

Canadian aerospace has been pretty much reduced to branch plant economics - just like the auto industry.

Bombardier is an exception - and look at the "support" this last man standing gets from the conservatives.

Sink or swim is my motto .

 

[MHz]

We should be looking into supersonic drone technology, we are handing out money to bombardier for nothing maybe we could make it worth something for national security.

Drones with metal detection coils and gps tags for the hits, open up the tundra to eco sensitive explorers. Ships would be able to fly 10 drones 24/7 as they cruise the uncharted bays and inlets

 

[Hoid]

Sink or swim is my motto .

well there you go.

no need to keep crying about a pipeline that is never going to get built.