What makes us fear death?

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
72
Ottawa ,Canada
Death is indeed a word, but it's also a lot more than that. It's an idea, it's also a fact we're all going to face sooner or later, and humans, alone among all the creatures on the planet as far as we can tell, know that.
 

MikeyDB

House Member
Jun 9, 2006
4,612
63
48
China

You're wasting your time here at Canadian Content, these folk aren't interested in thinking beyond their comfortable perspectives on existence. In a different thread I've come to appreciate that when a flag draped coffin returns from Afghanistan or anywhere else where the appetites of the barbarian are sated, it's the "right" to individually interpret law and invoke vigilante justice that many Canadians are celebrating. These people believe that "justice" exists in the mind of those who "think" a particular way...who see things in a particular way.

All bets are off....systems of justice and philosophies that entertain consideration of the value of life are simply wallpaper within the minds of barbarians who've surrendered to thir primitivism. I realize I've made a grave mistake....likethe one I made so long ago.

People don't see the world the way I do, nor do they see it the way you present your ideas either. They're infatuated with the macabre and celebrate ruthlessness. These people are still functioning under the principle of "An eye for an eye"...that's the level of justice they want and appreciate. They're easy pickings for the con-man and the grifter....no doubt cheer as their governments and social institutions rob them....

Quite frankly China....these people have nothing to offer.
 

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
72
Ottawa ,Canada
I'm not the one posting crap philosophy and double-talk page after page after page...
Yeap, I like doing that .But you like to read crap philosophy.
I'm not the one seeking "power" and attempting to "influence" anyone.
What are you seeking Mickey ? ......du da ,du da .


That would be you.
 

MikeyDB

House Member
Jun 9, 2006
4,612
63
48
China

Well originally, I thought that by participating on a Canadian discussion board that I'd gain a better understanding of how Canadians feel about things...think about things and how they view their own existence.

I know now

So I'm not "seeking" anything. My questions have been answered.

In terms of Israel and the Palestinian conflict.....no Canadian needs to hear anything other than that the Jews are the victims....everything else is unnecessary.

In terms of their own government....as long as they're content to remain in the dark about anything and everything perpetrated by government in the "name" of Canadians...they're fine with that.

The Canadian sense of "justice" is the same one that ruled the planet millions of years ago, wherein immediate violent retribution for a real or even a percieved "wrong" is the only appropriate answer.

Not completely unavailable to nuance, four or five RCMP officers killing an innocent man in an airport waiting area...gavethem pause...but they got over it quickly.

When you talk to these people about things like ...."Why do we fear death"....What is idealism".....What is intelligence...., it's like asking a Cromagnon what he thinks about flat-screen TV.

These people have no depth they have no appreciation or understanding of anything but the superficial and the immediate. It's no wonder that an entire continent could have been so easily convinced that "possession" and "image" were far more important than principles and values.

Have a good time here China, I'm looking for some other thread with real human beings.

Nice reading your stuff.....;) ....(from time to time...) :)
 

lone wolf

Grossly Underrated
Nov 25, 2006
32,493
210
63
In the bush near Sudbury
Life is a safe place. Death is the unknown. Is it a better place? ...a meat-grinder? ...or just nothing. Self preservation is a basic animal instinct. Better the devil you know than one you've yet to meet is just human nature.
 

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
72
Ottawa ,Canada
MickeyDB

Thanks for the post Mikey ,I understand what you are saying . I spend most of my avaible time in another forum suggested to me by Curiosity .
It's a great place ,mature participants from allover the world .
Thanks again.
 

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
72
Ottawa ,Canada
Dexter Sinister ,

The unknown is frightening precisely because it's unknown,/QUOTE]
Obviously there are a "few" things that you don.t know Dexter .Are you frighten of them ?
..... you don't know what's coming or what to expect or how to deal with it.
Dexter ,I would suggest that you see a doctor at once .

Death is indeed a word,
And that's all it is .

but it's also a lot more than that.
More than what ? If you know anything about death ,than it's not an unknown , so why worry ?

It's an idea........
An idea ,eh?
 

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
I like Woody Allen's remark on it: I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.

I'm not afraid of death. I'm afraid of dying. From what I've seen, it's usually a painful and undignified process that hurts everybody who loves you. Far better to go out quickly and cleanly, be hale and hearty 'til the last day then suddenly drop dead, than to linger for months or years, or sometimes decades as my father did, of decline and debility. I don't want to go that way. I'd prefer a helicopter crash in the middle of nowhere and never be found.

I hate the thought of dying, and it's not because of any fear of any kind, but because I like it here, I like my life, I am selfish, and don't want to go anywhere. We are not the
same as any animal, as we can see ahead, and know what will happen,(that we will die),
and they don't, we are so much more intelligent than they are, which is why we should
be totally responsible for 'their' successful stay on this earth.
Maybe when I become very very old, I won't care any more, but knowing myself, and how
I have been so far, I will never be that way, I will be energetic and busy right till the end,
and won't be able to finish what I was doing, and will be hollering, "Just a minute", I'm not quite finished this project", or I won't have time to finish my post to CC. That's
just the way it is, I don't wonder about anything beyond death, not for a second, so
my total energy and vitality is for this life, I love it.
 

Dexter Sinister

Unspecified Specialist
Oct 1, 2004
10,168
536
113
Regina, SK
Obviously there are a "few" things that you don.t know Dexter .Are you frighten of them ?
I readily admit that there are a lot of things I don't know, but very few of them frighten me. Most of them just make me curious, I want to know everything I can and one of my great regrets is that I can't possibly live long enough to find out everything I want to know, but at least that means I'll never be bored. The things that frighten me are the things that I cannot even in principle know. I'm 59 years old, for instance, and so far have had no serious health problems in my life, but the chances of that remaining true for the next 20 years are pretty much zero. I have not a clue what kind of health issues might arise in the next 20 years for me, and I know I have a finite span here so something's bound to change in that time. What will it be? I have no idea. The family history would suggest serious cardiovascular disease as the most likely issue, but everybody who's had it was already showing major symptoms by the time they were my age, and I'm not. I have no idea what to expect.

Dexter ,I would suggest that you see a doctor at once.
What for? You lost me entirely on that remark. I see a doctor regularly as a matter of routine anyway. You think I've got some specific problem that needs immediate attention?


If you know anything about death ,than it's not an unknown , so why worry?
I know quite a lot about death, I've seen both my parents die, and a few cousins, and some close friends, but that doesn't remove the unknown from it, because I'm still very much alive. My own inevitable death isn't staring me in the face yet, but it wil eventually, and that's what's unknown and unknowable.
 
Last edited:

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
72
Ottawa ,Canada
Dexter Sinister
Dexter S The unknown is frightening precisely because it's unknown, you don't know what's coming or what to expect or how to deal with it.
You should see a doctor at once
.
 

darkbeaver

the universe is electric
Jan 26, 2006
41,035
201
63
RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia
I like Woody Allen's remark on it: I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.

I'm not afraid of death. I'm afraid of dying. From what I've seen, it's usually a painful and undignified process that hurts everybody who loves you. Far better to go out quickly and cleanly, be hale and hearty 'til the last day then suddenly drop dead, than to linger for months or years, or sometimes decades as my father did, of decline and debility. I don't want to go that way. I'd prefer a helicopter crash in the middle of nowhere and never be found.

It's just like you to demand a dramatic end like a chopper crash in the bush with absolutely detached cold total disregard for The Department of Lands and Forest who you no doubt expect to mount a recovery operation which you will want televised so that the grieving masses can pay proper homage to your illustrious self. Who's going to pay for the helicopter and the crash damage I wonder? Why not just have a nice quite explosion in a vacant lot somewhere?:smile:
 

darkbeaver

the universe is electric
Jan 26, 2006
41,035
201
63
RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia
I hate the thought of dying, and it's not because of any fear of any kind, but because I like it here, I like my life, I am selfish, and don't want to go anywhere. We are not the
same as any animal, as we can see ahead, and know what will happen,(that we will die),
and they don't, we are so much more intelligent than they are, which is why we should
be totally responsible for 'their' successful stay on this earth.
Maybe when I become very very old, I won't care any more, but knowing myself, and how
I have been so far, I will never be that way, I will be energetic and busy right till the end,
and won't be able to finish what I was doing, and will be hollering, "Just a minute", I'm not quite finished this project", or I won't have time to finish my post to CC. That's
just the way it is, I don't wonder about anything beyond death, not for a second, so
my total energy and vitality is for this life, I love it.

But it's nicer in heaven Talloola, come on girl take my hand, no the other one, there now, lets just walk arround and arround till we get dizzy and jump off that cliff over there.
What makes you think animals don't compose futures that include death? We humans have ridiculed animal thinking for a long time just to make ourselves look better I think. My dead cat was able to think quite well I believe, he scored better on some of the psycological tests they made us take, if it wasn't for him I would have failed them all. I miss my cat.:smile:
 

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
But it's nicer in heaven Talloola, come on girl take my hand, no the other one, there now, lets just walk arround and arround till we get dizzy and jump off that cliff over there.
What makes you think animals don't compose futures that include death? We humans have ridiculed animal thinking for a long time just to make ourselves look better I think. My dead cat was able to think quite well I believe, he scored better on some of the psycological tests they made us take, if it wasn't for him I would have failed them all. I miss my cat.:smile:

I want to know more, and so does my cat. I love cats too. The animals have no desire to do all the things that we do. They are cut out to live a simple, uncomplicated, instinctive life, no wasted energy, just enough food to survive, and I agree, they know much than we do on an instictive level, that we don't bother to learn, we are too busy thinking up
new and improved ways of doing everything, waste too much energy, eat too much, and
think too much. we are not open to absorbing what nature has to offer, as they do.
Maybe our ancestors did.

When I take your hand and we jump off the cliff, then what!!!!!
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
5,658
22
38
That's the second time you've told me that, without explanation. Why do you think I should see a doctor immediately?
Well, because we all care for our members and if something seems a little off centre then we express our care with sound advice.
Now if you embark upon this and seek out the one that you need, in your time of need, embark on another quest and seek out a second one to confirm what the first one has told you.
Our thoughts are with you always.
I have had this said to me many times and I found the way to the light, twenty doctors later.
It is not for you or I to question, but to do. There truly is enlightenment.
 
Last edited:

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
72
Ottawa ,Canada
Dexter Sinister,
The statement below ,was told to me when I was very ,very young by someone whom I really loved .It was told to me in a Polish language ,so this is only a "free" translation .Hope you can see where you are , at the ripe age of 59 .

Your greatness is measured by your kindness; your education and intellect by your modesty; your ignorance is betrayed by your suspicions and prejudices, and your real caliber is measured by the consideration and tolerance you have for others.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: dancing-loon

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
5,658
22
38
Dexter Sinister,
The statement below ,was told to me when I was very ,very young by someone whom I really loved .It was told t me in a Polish language ,so this is only a "free" translation .Hope you can see where you are , at the ripe age of 59 .

China,
Your most admirable trait is self-deception.
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
5,658
22
38
scratch



Sounds very profound ,scratch ;could you carry on ,like the reason for your "professional" observation or at least some worthy reasons for your statement?

Obvious is obvious. Unfortunately, you just do not get it.