War #6 Somolia

petros

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The US has conducted its first drone strike on Islamist militants in Somalia, marking the expansion of the pilotless war campaign to a sixth country.

The missile strike on a vehicle in the southern town of Kismayo, reported last week as a helicopter assault, wounded two senior militants with al-Shabab and several foreign fighters according to the Washington Post.

Armed Predator and Reaper drones already operate in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya, where they are controlled by the US military or the CIA.

The CIA-run programmes are controversial. Although they provide the Obama administration with a low-risk weapon against Islamist militants, they stir intense anti-American hostility among the local population.

Opposition is most vociferous in Pakistan, where the government said on Wednesday it was shutting down a big CIA drone base, and had ordered US personnel based there to leave.

The closure of Shamsi airbase is unlikely to end the strikes. The CIA has moved its drones to bases across the border in Afghanistan, and some strikes have already taken place from there, according to a senior Pakistani military official.

Racked by decades of civil war, Somalia has become an al-Qaida hub, after Yemen and Pakistan's tribal belt. The US military previously targeted militants based there using helicopter gunships, special forces teams and cruise missiles fired from aircraft carriers.

The US has also flown surveillance drones over Somalia – one was shot down in October 2009 – but now they are being used for assassination. The targets of the 23 June strike were reportedly close to Anwar al-Awlaki, the US-born leader of al-Qaida in the Arabian peninsula.

In May, Awlaki escaped a drone strike in Yemen carried out by the Joint Special Operations Command, an elite military unit that orchestrated the Osama bin Laden raid. Now control of the Yemen strikes is reported to be passing to the CIA.

The closure of Shamsi airbase is a blow to President Barack Obama efforts to flush al-Qaida from Pakistan. Shamsi, in western Balochistan province, was the launchpad for strikes against al-Qaida and Taliban militants in the tribal belt, particularly in Waziristan.

Washington politicians have warmly embraced the drone strikes, which allow them to target elusive enemies in remote parts of the world with little risk to US personnel. In Pakistan, drone strikes have killed 2,500 people since 2004, according to higher estimates.



So when do we bomb France?
 

petros

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Right when we finish off a group of picnicing nuns on the US border with Canada.

They'll be ready.



But will the French be?
 

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The US has conducted its first drone strike on Islamist militants in Somalia, marking the expansion of the pilotless war campaign to a sixth country.

The missile strike on a vehicle in the southern town of Kismayo, reported last week as a helicopter assault, wounded two senior militants with al-Shabab and several foreign fighters according to the Washington Post.

Armed Predator and Reaper drones already operate in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya, where they are controlled by the US military or the CIA.

The CIA-run programmes are controversial. Although they provide the Obama administration with a low-risk weapon against Islamist militants, they stir intense anti-American hostility among the local population.

Opposition is most vociferous in Pakistan, where the government said on Wednesday it was shutting down a big CIA drone base, and had ordered US personnel based there to leave.

The closure of Shamsi airbase is unlikely to end the strikes. The CIA has moved its drones to bases across the border in Afghanistan, and some strikes have already taken place from there, according to a senior Pakistani military official.

Racked by decades of civil war, Somalia has become an al-Qaida hub, after Yemen and Pakistan's tribal belt. The US military previously targeted militants based there using helicopter gunships, special forces teams and cruise missiles fired from aircraft carriers.

The US has also flown surveillance drones over Somalia – one was shot down in October 2009 – but now they are being used for assassination. The targets of the 23 June strike were reportedly close to Anwar al-Awlaki, the US-born leader of al-Qaida in the Arabian peninsula.

In May, Awlaki escaped a drone strike in Yemen carried out by the Joint Special Operations Command, an elite military unit that orchestrated the Osama bin Laden raid. Now control of the Yemen strikes is reported to be passing to the CIA.

The closure of Shamsi airbase is a blow to President Barack Obama efforts to flush al-Qaida from Pakistan. Shamsi, in western Balochistan province, was the launchpad for strikes against al-Qaida and Taliban militants in the tribal belt, particularly in Waziristan.

Washington politicians have warmly embraced the drone strikes, which allow them to target elusive enemies in remote parts of the world with little risk to US personnel. In Pakistan, drone strikes have killed 2,500 people since 2004, according to higher estimates.


So when do we bomb France?

You make it sound as if the US making strikes in Somalia is something new. It might be new in regards to using drones, but they have attacked the Al'Q there in the past:



U.S. Strikes In Somalia Reportedly Kill 31
U.S. Strikes In Somalia Reportedly Kill 31 - CBS News

......... On Monday, a U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunship conducted an initial strike – part of a wider air offensive against suspected members of al Qaeda - Martin first reported.

The Pentagon confirmed Monday's strike targeting al Qaeda operatives late on Tuesday, but did not give any information on who was actually killed.

The targets included the senior al Qaeda leader in East Africa and an al Qaeda operative wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings of two American embassies in Africa, Martin reported. Those terror attacks killed more than 200 people.

Earlier, Somalia's president said that the U.S. was pursuing suspects in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa, and that the effort has his support......

...... Col. Shino Moalin Nur, a Somali military commander, told the AP by telephone late Tuesday that at least one U.S. AC-130 gunship attacked a suspected al Qaeda training camp Sunday on a remote island at the southern tip of Somalia next to Kenya.

Somali officials said they had reports of many deaths.

On Monday, witnesses and Nur said, more U.S. air strikes were launched against Islamic extremists in Hayi, 30 miles from Afmadow. Nur said attacks continued Tuesday.

"Nobody can exactly explain what is going on inside these forested areas," the Somali commander said. "However, we are receiving reports that most of the Islamist fighters have died and the rest would be captured soon."

Earlier in the above report, they talk about US helicopter gunships doing a few strikes.....

I'll say one thing.... those AC-130's will fk you (and everybody around you) up real good.
 

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The US has conducted its first drone strike on Islamist militants in Somalia, marking the expansion of the pilotless war campaign to a sixth country.

The missile strike on a vehicle in the southern town of Kismayo, reported last week as a helicopter assault, wounded two senior militants with al-Shabab and several foreign fighters according to the Washington Post.

Armed Predator and Reaper drones already operate in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya, where they are controlled by the US military or the CIA.

The CIA-run programmes are controversial. Although they provide the Obama administration with a low-risk weapon against Islamist militants, they stir intense anti-American hostility among the local population.

Opposition is most vociferous in Pakistan, where the government said on Wednesday it was shutting down a big CIA drone base, and had ordered US personnel based there to leave.

The closure of Shamsi airbase is unlikely to end the strikes. The CIA has moved its drones to bases across the border in Afghanistan, and some strikes have already taken place from there, according to a senior Pakistani military official.

Racked by decades of civil war, Somalia has become an al-Qaida hub, after Yemen and Pakistan's tribal belt. The US military previously targeted militants based there using helicopter gunships, special forces teams and cruise missiles fired from aircraft carriers.

The US has also flown surveillance drones over Somalia – one was shot down in October 2009 – but now they are being used for assassination. The targets of the 23 June strike were reportedly close to Anwar al-Awlaki, the US-born leader of al-Qaida in the Arabian peninsula.

In May, Awlaki escaped a drone strike in Yemen carried out by the Joint Special Operations Command, an elite military unit that orchestrated the Osama bin Laden raid. Now control of the Yemen strikes is reported to be passing to the CIA.

The closure of Shamsi airbase is a blow to President Barack Obama efforts to flush al-Qaida from Pakistan. Shamsi, in western Balochistan province, was the launchpad for strikes against al-Qaida and Taliban militants in the tribal belt, particularly in Waziristan.

Washington politicians have warmly embraced the drone strikes, which allow them to target elusive enemies in remote parts of the world with little risk to US personnel. In Pakistan, drone strikes have killed 2,500 people since 2004, according to higher estimates.



So when do we bomb France?

Bet you just can't wait, can you?? The US war malignancy is spreading fast and war/ gun loving folks are gung ho for more.

Too bad, that war is all the US has to export now. The US is the biggest THREAT to the planet and world peace. The way they justify their excursions is appalling. THEY believe they are saving the world , by destroying it and then building massive embassies and miltary bases in the invaded area and staying "indefinately".

Who is the next target on the US mililtary hit list??

Meanwhile how are they planning to pay for all this blood shed. (not theirs of course as they have drones and robots to do the killing for them now.)
 

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The USA has intervened in those Somali conflicts and allowed thousands of refugees into the Twin Cities where their youths are involved in gang crimes. You can bet more will now be coming here, taking more welfare and social services, and increasing teen crimes.
 

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The Somali's are complaining to the UN that US forces are killing Somali's on their homeland and then taking the bodies out with them so there is no evidence. I think the Somali's are missing the point that we are grinding up those bodies, cooking the ground meat on a BBQ and feeding it back to the Somali Pirates we are holding. I think here is an old Somali proverb that states "We eat our young." Maybe this is just honoring that proverb?
 

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The USA has intervened in those Somali conflicts and allowed thousands of refugees into the Twin Cities where their youths are involved in gang crimes. You can bet more will now be coming here, taking more welfare and social services, and increasing teen crimes.

interesting. Imagine if all the people from the invaded / intervened (by the US) nations decided they got tired of living under US bombs and migrated to the US. After all the US was the one that left them homeless in THEIR land.

Bet the invasions would stop pretty fast, if the US had to take care of the people they uprooted by their "interventios". ( aka putting their nose where it does not belong and your garden variety interference.)

The Somali's are complaining to the UN that US forces are killing Somali's on their homeland and then taking the bodies out with them so there is no evidence. I think the Somali's are missing the point that we are grinding up those bodies, cooking the ground meat on a BBQ and feeding it back to the Somali Pirates we are holding. I think here is an old Somali proverb that states "We eat our young." Maybe this is just honoring that proverb?

Yep. one can see the US doing that. :-( (or worse)
 

petros

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You make it sound as if the US making strikes in Somalia is something new. It might be new in regards to using drones, but they have attacked the Al'Q there in the past:



U.S. Strikes In Somalia Reportedly Kill 31
U.S. Strikes In Somalia Reportedly Kill 31 - CBS News



Earlier in the above report, they talk about US helicopter gunships doing a few strikes.....

I'll say one thing.... those AC-130's will fk you (and everybody around you) up real good.
It's not 6 countries then?

I still want to attack France.
 

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Imagine if all the people from the invaded / intervened (by the US) nations decided they got tired of living under US bombs and migrated to the US. After all the US was the one that left them homeless in THEIR land.

That certainly happened in Nam, Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. I opposed those interventions as well.
 

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The Muslims hit the towers and from there the war is on, these terrorist leaders are no longer
safe anywhere they may be. Drones work very well, America kills its enemies from the sky
that there is little defence against. It is the answer to those roadside bombs the Muslims used
against our troops in Afghanistan. They are killing the enemy and that is what happens in war.
It is true I feel somewhat sorry for civilians however, they tolerate and in some cases encourage
the terrorist leaders to commit acts of violence.
Deep in my heart of hearts, I am having a hard time feeling sorry for enemy leadership that have
killed so many in the name of hate, and fundamentalist religion.
Drones it is then, I hope they get everyone of the bugg**s who have tried to spread the Islamic
revolution. Sooner we get starter the faster we will be able to clean up the mess.
 

gopher

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Why you would cower to her is beyond me... even for you.

Dunno what you're driving at since I did oppose those interventions and they happened long before there was any forum such as this one. My neighborhood on St Paul's West Side is full of refugees from Somalia, El Salvador, South East Asia and everywhere the USA has started a war. Then, people in this neighborhood have to endure their teen gangs, drugs, and street violence. Meantime, the government palms itself off as the great hero that ''liberated'' those countries while we continue to pay the bill and the military industrial complex profits.
 

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I must have missed when the government claimed to have liberated Somalia, El Salvador, and SE Asia.

Are the facts not enough Gopher? Are they ever with you?
 

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The Muslims hit the towers and from there the war is on, these terrorist leaders are no longer
safe anywhere they may be. Drones work very well, America kills its enemies from the sky
that there is little defence against. It is the answer to those roadside bombs the Muslims used
against our troops in Afghanistan. They are killing the enemy and that is what happens in war.
It is true I feel somewhat sorry for civilians however, they tolerate and in some cases encourage
the terrorist leaders to commit acts of violence.
Deep in my heart of hearts, I am having a hard time feeling sorry for enemy leadership that have
killed so many in the name of hate, and fundamentalist religion.
Drones it is then, I hope they get everyone of the bugg**s who have tried to spread the Islamic
revolution. Sooner we get starter the faster we will be able to clean up the mess.

Just WHO has Slaughtered more now with no end in sight. The west has given those terrorists far too much attention, and credit. Terrorism is a CRIME.......a CRIME warrants an appropriate response. It is not war. The fact that the US chose to respond with WAR , was for the US own benefit. Let's not be fooled by the USG propaganda. The US was itching for an excuse to invade and occupy the ME. ( and for obvious reasons) 9-11 was the "gift" that just keeps on giving. as we have seen over the past decade. And the sheeple are non the wiser as they have been so programmed by the fearmongering re: terrorists...... they don't dare think for themselves or ask the critical questions. When they do , they are branded a traitor or "with the terrorists" which is the most stupid thing anyone came up with........but it works.....as a form of mind control ~ as people become "terrified " at being identified with what is remotely terror related.

One does not have to feel sorry for anyone. IMHO........it is important to assess this dynamic in as objective a way as possible.
 

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I must have missed when the government claimed to have liberated Somalia, El Salvador, and SE Asia.

Are the facts not enough Gopher? Are they ever with you?

Your hero Reagan claimed to have ''liberated'' Nicaragua from a democratically elected government, remember? And let's not forget that your god George Bush claimed ''Mission Accomplished'' when he liberated [sic] Iraq.