Wait.. Did Liberals Just Call Themselves "Trudeau-esque"?

[mentalfloss]

You too can see 30 or 40 years into the future???

NATO is a dying organization.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Is est talis somnium

 

[Cliffy]

Let's just put these arguments side by side: we shouldn't have a stronger military because the US will protect us and we're only buying these jets to help the US military.

The US doesn't have to protect us. Their presence is deterrent enough. The jets are over priced and they look like toys. With only 65 of them, we will be shot out of the sky faster than we could replace them. We would have to have the Yanks transport and refuel them for us outside of our own air space. There is no logic to any of this.

 

[DurkaDurka]

The US doesn't have to protect us. Their presence is deterrent enough. The jets are over priced and they look like toys. With only 65 of them, we will be shot out of the sky faster than we could replace them. We would have to have the Yanks transport and refuel them for us outside of our own air space. There is no logic to any of this.

So we should just abolish our air force then as any jet we replace them with will have nearly identical support needs.

 

[mentalfloss]

The US doesn't have to protect us. Their presence is deterrent enough. The jets are over priced and they look like toys. With only 65 of them, we will be shot out of the sky faster than we could replace them. We would have to have the Yanks transport and refuel them for us outside of our own air space. There is no logic to any of this.

I heard they give the Millenium Falcon a good run for its money.

 

[Cliffy]

So we should just abolish our air force then as any jet we replace them with will have nearly identical support needs.

We have an air force. If we need more to protect our own space, we get them as needed. We put it up for tender like other contracts. How many planes do we need if nobody is going to invade? Or should we be using them to strafe protesters at the G8/G20?

 

[mentalfloss]

We have an air force. If we need more to protect our own space, we get them as needed. We put it up for tender like other contracts. How many planes do we need if nobody is going to invade? Or should we be using them to strafe protesters at the G8/G20?

I'm sure officer bubbles won't mind another $100,000 cheque.

 

[DurkaDurka]

We have an air force. If we need more to protect our own space, we get them as needed. We put it up for tender like other contracts. How many planes do we need if nobody is going to invade? Or should we be using them to strafe protesters at the G8/G20?

So planes are only useful under the pretense that we are going to be invaded? We shouldn't have them to assert sovereignty over the arctic or to project force when needed? We should just assume that Uncle Sam's deterrence is enough?

 

[mentalfloss]

So planes are only useful under the pretense that we are going to be invaded? We shouldn't have them to assert sovereignty over the arctic or to project force when needed? We should just assume that Uncle Sam's deterrence is enough?

1.) The arctic skirmish will actually be a long, long time from now
2.) We have lots of time to settle this with words - we should get on that immediately
3.) The only reason there will be an arctic skirmish is because we are not making any attempt to reverse emissions. Like we should be.
4.) Invasion. LOL

 

[CDNBear]

If they keep on their promise of scrapping those jets, I am definitely on board.

Like you never were.

You would vote for a party strictly on the jet issue?

MF would have voted for them or the NDP regardless.

I would definitely consider changing my vote.

From NDP?

 

[shadowshiv]

So we should just abolish our air force then as any jet we replace them with will have nearly identical support needs.

We can always use hang-gliders instead.

 

[CDNBear]

We can always use hang-gliders instead.

Canada's new Air Force...

I hear the NDP and Bloc are going to vote against it. Because it sends the wrong message to our enemies. Apparently it's not welcoming enough, and came off as too American.

Thank Gawd Hawkeye, decided to follow in his dads footsteps.

 

[shadowshiv]

Canada's new Air Force...

I hear the NDP and Bloc are going to vote against it. Because it sends the wrong message to our enemies. Apparently it's not welcoming enough.

Thank Gawd Hawkeye, decided to follow in his dads footsteps.

Yooooooo Joe!!!!

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

With new platform, Liberals chart course back to Trudeauville

Whether he succeeds depends on whether you believe that Canada should return to its Trudeauesque past of increased social spending paid for by higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy, or continue the Conservative emphasis on keeping taxes low while balancing the books.

The choice couldn’t be simpler, or more stark.

The Liberal platform seeks to restore and expand the social safety net by investing more than $5.5-billion annually in education, child care, home care, the environment and other priorities, to be paid for by hiking corporate taxes and taxing a portion of income from wealthy Canadians who purchase stock options at below market value.

In an important revelation, the Liberals now intend not only to scrap the F-35 fighter program, but to defer replacing the aging fleet of CF-18s until “it is necessary.”

And while the Liberals promise to sharply reduce the federal deficit, they have no immediate plans to eliminate it.

This represents the antithesis of Conservative priorities of balancing the books and continuing to lower business taxes while preserving military procurement as a core spending priority.

With new platform, Liberals chart course back to Trudeauville - The Globe and Mail


Well, whatever they want to call themselves. If they keep on their promise of scrapping those jets, I am definitely on board.

Personalyt I would like to see this imaginairy book that the concervative are balancing. My guess is I will find at lease 1 trillion $ dept to some bank!

 

[jwmcq625]

We have an air force. If we need more to protect our own space, we get them as needed. We put it up for tender like other contracts. How many planes do we need if nobody is going to invade? Or should we be using them to strafe protesters at the G8/G20?

The Liberal way especially under Trudeau was to gut our military as much and as quickly as possible. Canada once had a world-class military until Trudeau & Company got elected, and he sure did a number on morale as well as support. Under Chretien he cancelled the Helicopters to replace the Sea-Kings, paid $multiple Millions in cancellation fees, and then held off replacing them even when the Sea-Kings were falling out of the skies simply because they were well past their best-before dates. This is likely what Iggy means by not replacing the jets until necessary as it's the Liberal way to have military personnel die before you give them proper equipment to work with. Chretien committed Canadian troops to Afghanistan and landed them on the ground with virtual targets painted on their backs by sending them into the desert wearing olive-green camouflage uniforms instead of sand coloured uniforms, but what did they care, as I'm sure the sons and daughters of these privileged elites were not included as part of our military personnel.

 

[#juan]

With new platform, Liberals chart course back to Trudeauville

Whether he succeeds depends on whether you believe that Canada should return to its Trudeauesque past of increased social spending paid for by higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy, or continue the Conservative emphasis on keeping taxes low while balancing the books.

The choice couldn’t be simpler, or more stark.

The Liberal platform seeks to restore and expand the social safety net by investing more than $5.5-billion annually in education, child care, home care, the environment and other priorities, to be paid for by hiking corporate taxes and taxing a portion of income from wealthy Canadians who purchase stock options at below market value.

In an important revelation, the Liberals now intend not only to scrap the F-35 fighter program, but to defer replacing the aging fleet of CF-18s until “it is necessary.”

And while the Liberals promise to sharply reduce the federal deficit, they have no immediate plans to eliminate it.

This represents the antithesis of Conservative priorities of balancing the books and continuing to lower business taxes while preserving military procurement as a core spending priority.

With new platform, Liberals chart course back to Trudeauville - The Globe and Mail


Well, whatever they want to call themselves. If they keep on their promise of scrapping those jets, I am definitely on board.

One thing nobody here seems to realize, is that our current CF-18s outperform the F-35s by a good margin. The CF-18s are faster, have a longer range, can carry more munitions, not to mention that they are much cheaper. The other thing is, that the CF-18s have two engines.......a good idea in Canada's North....:roll: