Trudeau's neglect of the nation has led us to this place

Hoid

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lol the plight of veterans in Canada is a multi-generational issue.

suggesting that Trudeau has created this problem is admitting that you have nothing - which in your case is what we all expect.

go back to predicting the transmountain will go through and buying GE at $18
 

Twin_Moose

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I've always wondered why there is so much contempt for the West from the east here.
They produce so much for our country...

Contempt propaganda from the mid 70's by PET over nationalizing Oil (NEP) for the East to "Share" in the prosperity of the resource. Alta. successfully beat the Libs in court over the provinces owning the resources, propaganda made it look like Alta. and the West were greedy and not willing to share the riches with the rest of Canada.

The West's contempt as you can see by Petros map that all the programs are geared for the East and the West only sees loose change that fall out of the Libs. pockets.
 

Hoid

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$4.5 billion for Alberta oil companies for a pipeline for a product nobody wants,

loose change
 

DaSleeper

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What a hypocrite Waldo is........

Forgets to mention the toll that Trudeau plans to charge the oil companies for its use....
You know what they say about gift horses?
 

petros

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let me guess - you have a wiki reference
Did you miss this or you didn't have anyone to read the big words for you?

Booming...more people working but producing less.
Canada GDP Growth Slows to 0.5% in Q3
The Canadian economy grew 0.5 percent quarter-on-quarter in the third quarter of 2018, following a 0.7 percent expansion in the previous period. The slowdown was mainly due to lower household spending. Expressed as an annualized rate, the GDP advanced 2.0 percent, easing from a 2.9 percent growth in the second quarter and in line with market expectations.
Household expenditure rose 0.3 percent, slowing from a 0.6 percent expansion in the previous period, attributable to outlays for durable goods (-0.7 percent), as motor vehicles purchases (-1.6 percent) fell for the third straight quarter. On the other hand, a 1.4 percent rise in outlays for semi-durable goods pushed overall goods spending to 0.2 percent. Household spending on services slowed to 0.3 percent, after expanding 0.8 percent in the second quarter.
Investment in housing dropped 1.5 percent, as investment in new residential construction fell 4.7 percent, the largest decline since the second quarter of 2009. Also, renovation outlays went down (-2.0 percent). Meanwhile, ownership transfer costs rebounded (7.1 percent), after decreasing for two quarters.
Business gross fixed capital formation fell 1.3 percent, following six consecutive quarterly increases, mainly due to a decrease in investment in engineering structures (-2.3 percent), which was partly offset by investment in non-residential buildings (1.3 percent). Additionally, engineering structures dropped due to a deceleration of investment in the oil and gas sector.
Machinery and equipment investment by businesses decreased 2.5 percent, the sharpest drop since the third quarter of 2016. Main contributions to the decline were: aircraft and other transportation equipment (-51.0 percent); industrial machinery and equipment (-2.1 percent); and furniture, fixtures, and prefabricated structures (-2.3 percent).
Business inventory accumulation eased to CAD 6.9 billion from CAD 13.2 billion in the prior period. Retailers reduced inventories, with motor vehicle inventories falling by CAD 4.1 billion in the third quarter.
Manufacturers' inventory increased for both durable and non-durable goods, while wholesalers continued to build up stocks, but at a slower pace. The economy-wide stock-to-sale ratio increased to 0.82.
Imports went down 2.0 percent, with imports of refined petroleum products falling 27.2 percent. The drop in petroleum imports coincided with increased domestic production following the completion of maintenance work at certain Canadian refineries that had reduced output in the second quarter. In addition, purchases of aircraft and other transportation equipment and parts decreased 22.0 percent. Imports of service fell 2.5 percent, mainly on lower demand for commercial (-3.1 percent) and travel (-2.7 percent) services.
Exports increased 0.2 percent in the third quarter, slowing from a 3.1 percent growht in the second quarter. Total goods exports rose 0.4 percent, boosted by higher sales of shipments of metal ores and non-metallic minerals (27.6 percent), reflecting the resumption of operations at mines affected by work stoppages in the second quarter. Exports of services declined 0.8 percent.
 

Serryah

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I've always wondered why there is so much contempt for the West from the east here.

They produce so much for our country...


To be honest, I think it's arrogance.

There's a lot of issues in the East that make it a region of 'partial' or 'seasonal' employment. A lot of the full time, all year jobs are low end. We're rich in resources, or we were, but only part times of the year.

Alberta and the West has it full time, enough that people here move out there to try and get ahead.

With seasonal jobs, low paying jobs and pretty much a super high cost of living to low pay ratio, Alberta seems rich by comparison, or it used to.

Contempt was had for us here in the East for 'demanding free money' and going out to 'steal Albertan jobs'. Admit it, most people think Canada ends at Quebec (or Ontario depending on how you feel about the French). No one seems to care about New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island or Newfoundland and Labrador.

And full confession, I used to detest Alberta too because it had that "**** you, we have ours, too bad for you" attitude. Now, not so much. TBH I wish that some of the payments made to us could be less, because that would mean our people finally got their shyte together to make this region at least somewhat respectable. But that's not going to happen because a lot of people here, I think, are done giving a shit. We have provincial leaders who don't care, we have leaders who won't do anything for the province, we have leaders who won't push the region as a place TO come to and we have leaders who are happy with businesses leaving because of stupid reasons. The company my dad worked for moved production out of our area. Why? Because it was cheaper due to transportation costs. The company was a decent employer, has done millions of dollars worth of structures across the world, my dad traveled a lot in his work and in a few short years after he retired, only head office is here. Everything else is gone.

The East is it's own worst enemy.

And we hate Alberta and the west even more now because it's taking more and more of our younger generation without any returns.

Or least, that's how it seems.
 

Hoid

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Wouldn't have cost us anything if the Libs. woulda enforced Fed. law in BC.
lol they were slapped down by the courts for trying to push through approval without consultation

once again proving your lights are on but nobody"s home
 

petros

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Over the course of the boom and still ongoing there hasn't been a bigger single creation of highly skilled Red Seal tradespeople since WWII.

It created a massive labour force that can build anything if we had a PM that is willing to put them to work.

When Trudeau came to Regina and told steelworkers at EVRAZ the women working in his office are more important than they are he sank to a new low.

Trudeau has even stated those hundreds of thousands of the most skilled tradespeople on Earth are scarier than ISIS.

He's bat shit crazy.
 

Twin_Moose

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LOl they won against Burnaby and NDP Gov. in court over jurisdiction which I was referring to. The consultation thing came after the Libs. bought the line Lol Lol Lol
 

Dixie Cup

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lol they were slapped down by the courts for trying to push through approval without consultation

once again proving your lights are on but nobody"s home



Oh that is such a bunch of hog wash!!


First off, the NEP is federally regulated; secondly, there was consultation but apparently foreigners had determined not enough for their liking and paid people who have no vested interest in the area of the pipelines to say otherwise. The court then determined not "enough" consultation was done which should not surprise anyone when anyone and everyone in the world could (and still can) present whatever it is they can to stop the pipeline from being built. Outside interference (which is a proven fact and not a conspiracy) and people who have no vested interest in the pipeline who have lots and lots of money to take governments and companies to court and courts who are becoming more and more politicalized, one could expect no other outcome.


The fact of the matter is we paid $4.5 for an existing pipeline which has never been an issue for the past 60 years and we will never get the expansion of said pipeline built because this government has never intended to follow-through. Of course the Alberta government acted too little too late because deep inside, they didn't want it built either except now we're kinda in a financial bind and they realize that oil is a big part of what we need to provide Albertans the services they are supposedly entitled to, especially since we get very little from the Feds. Alberta, btw has also been "diversifying" it's economy for the last 10+ years to include other industries such as medical technologies and I.T. industries with good success as well. But they don't necessarily mean getting an immediate cash-flow like oil does.


The Northern pipeline was approved and supported by many First Nations because they had a vested interest and Trudy decided to cancel it anyway. So between foreign interference and faulty decisions by our government, things aren't looking particularly well. But Albertans are resilient - probably the most resilient of all the provinces so we won't be down long. We will find a way to succeed as we have in the past.


And btw Alberta has ALWAYS been a contributor to equalization payments (for those of you who don't seem to know) and has never been a receiver of funds so don't give me the BS that we're whiners. Besides which, we don't want HAND OUTS, we want to work and getting a pipeline is crucial to that end. Getting GOOD jobs helps the Canadian economy; not the part-time and/or lower paying jobs that Trudeau seems so intent on. Those are the people who depend on government hand outs don't 'cha know cuz they are lower income and thus qualify for said hand-outs. Those of us who have managed to keep the job that we have are also seeing the cost of living going ever higher because of taxes and that too has to stop!! Can't pay with what you don't have.


JMHO