Time to end bogus bible references in the news

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Juxtaposition. Can the adherents of two competing faiths who believe Right is on their side remain peaceful?

You raised an interesting question and I started another thread in WB. It shouldn't be hard to spot.

No coherent argument. You get an F. Detention after school for three hours so you can read your Darwin.

Change it, who's topping you?

Actually that was a joke.
 

Walter

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Not bad; slamming Christians, Palin and God in one thread. Kudos.
 

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I haven't read the story for a long time so my memory of the details may be faulty, but it appears to be an accurate reference to a widely known story so it's a useful way to illustrate the longevity of that entrapment technique. It was known 5000 years or so ago and it still works. What's bogus about that?

Such "stories" ought to be kept out of factual news items. Why a factual article is spiced with a reference that cannot be verified is bogus, as it degrades the entire article. There are so many factual stories to refer to, soime might even be Canadian. But no, just make one up.

Untrue Asiatic biblical stories are fine in religious institutions where they rely on faith and other fictitious nonsense to keep the sheep in line. But in a modern, secular society, they are not useful because the standard of proof is nonexistent.

We berate politicians for spreading lies, yet a news item has an unverfiable sentence in it, and just a shrug? I want more cables please.
 

gerryh

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it used a well known story to make a point. That is all. The article did not state that the story that was used for illustration purposes was factual or not. It was only used to illustrate a point.


knock knock knock......anybody home?
 
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Bar Sinister

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That was Slick.

You said that very Gracefully.

I really don't see much wrong with quoting from the Bible provided that the reference is not intended to be used as a plan of action. Fictitious characters outside of the Bible are referred to all the time in conversation and writing and no one using these characters as references expects the leaders or readers to believe that they actually exist. For example Ronald Reagan once referred to the USSR as an "evil empire." It was a clear Star Wars reference a term he also used to describe his Strategic Defense Initiative. I doubt very much that he expected anyone to believe that the characters of the Star Wars universe actually existed. Similarly characters from literature or mythology are often referred to in daily use, such as Greek gods (note the number of weapons named after them) or characters like the Mad Hatter, Tom Sawyer, and Don Quixote. Even comic book characters are referenced. No one expects them to be seen as actually having existed.
 

damngrumpy

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There is nothing wrong with using references from the Bible or anywhere else as long as people know
they are references for examples. No not everything in the Bible was meant to be literal anyway. The
Bible was made up of references to illustrate stories to people who couldn't read.
We need references today because most people can read they just don't comprehend what they read,
and sometimes I think that is worse than being illiterate.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Such "stories" ought to be kept out of factual news items.
I don't see why, I think your point is bogus. Would you similarly object to citations of writers like Shakespeare and Milton in factual stories, or is it just biblical references you object to? That writer could have made a similar point about sexuality used for deception by referring to Othello, for instance, would that have similarly vexed you? The Bible is an important part of our literary heritage, whatever merits or demerits anyone thinks it might have, in fact you can't really know our literary heritage without knowing the Bible. Referring to its stories is a perfectly legitimate stylistic device in almost any context.
 

TenPenny

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Let's face it, the Bible is such a common book that it is perfectly acceptable in our society to use stories from the Bible to illustrate your point. Similarly, references to Shakespeare are so common that we don't even notice them.

Panties do not need to be tied.
 

karrie

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I find it repugnant that you would seek to push your beliefs so strongly as to end even innocuous references like this.
 

karrie

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Surprised, no. Frankly, I've been avoiding the forum as of late due to the anti-religion posts. Nothing is surprising anymore about the rudeness.
 

CDNBear

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Surprised, no. Frankly, I've been avoiding the forum as of late due to the anti-religion posts. Nothing is surprising anymore about the rudeness.
Your silence is what they want Karrie, don't give the useless shytes of the world the satisfaction of you throwing in the towel.

Take'm on, head on, is my motto.
 

CDNBear

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My fight's run out these days Bear.
Mine to, to some extent. Life has a habit of getting in the way of bashing the mentally challenged online.

Oddly enough though, the skills I honed online, in dealing with the myopic thoughts, very much like those in the OP, and littered around this board, are put to good use.

I ended up volunteering a good deal of my free time to a Native youth group. Dealing with kids that think they know everything, is so very much like dealing with the mentally challenged online. The only difference being, once you explain the way things really are, the kids usually come around to using the grey matter God (Or Great Spirit or Allah, or whomever you wish to believe in) gave them.

It's absolutely amazing how well they bond, when you get them to understand that we're all in this together, and no one makes it out alive.
 

DaSleeper

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A while ago, while I was watching TV, I saw a Jehovah Witness lady coming to my door and without ringing the doorbell or knocking on the door she dropped some flyer in my mailbox (I think that is all they do these days).

After she had gone to do the same thing next door I went to pick it up...and in doing so, I had a good chuckle ....because I was visualising some of the antis in this forum getting all flustered and getting off fom in front of their P.C. to sic their chiwawa after her....
 

dumpthemonarchy

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it used a well known story to make a point. That is all. The article did not state that the story that was used for illustration purposes was factual or not. It was only used to illustrate a point.


knock knock knock......anybody home?


I don't see why, I think your point is bogus. Would you similarly object to citations of writers like Shakespeare and Milton in factual stories, or is it just biblical references you object to? That writer could have made a similar point about sexuality used for deception by referring to Othello, for instance, would that have similarly vexed you? The Bible is an important part of our literary heritage, whatever merits or demerits anyone thinks it might have, in fact you can't really know our literary heritage without knowing the Bible. Referring to its stories is a perfectly legitimate stylistic device in almost any context.

There are many people, millions in fact, who see the bible as all facts. They are not rational and to have a casual live and let live attutude here is simply cultural and rational regression. It has been proven in so many ways that the bible is bunk, and yet the mass media is too lazy to take a stand. Not much wonder circulation is down.

It is not an important part of our literary heritage to many of us. It is a laughable "book".

No one considers Shakespeare's plays or poems to be factual, he wrote stories, and more references from Shakespeare would be great. I read Shakespeare had never been to Italy, he learned about the country by asking visitors about it when they returned to England.
 
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