The reinvention of the left

Cliffy

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What is amazing is that everybody (most everybody) in the west hates the CBC, yet it is the west that has to pay the CBC the Billion $ + to support the CBC thru transfer payments. And it is only enjoyed by the easterners!!!

Hmmmm, just another example,,,,,,,,,etc
Most everybody I know in BC listens to CBC (except me - I don't listen to radio). But go ahead and live in your little bubble.
 

DurkaDurka

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Mar 15, 2006
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What is amazing is that everybody (most everybody) in the west hates the CBC, yet it is the west that has to pay the CBC the Billion $ + to support the CBC thru transfer payments. And it is only enjoyed by the easterners!!!

Hmmmm, just another example,,,,,,,,,etc

Your whole post is a bunch of nonsense.

For one, you don't speak for all of Western Canada
Two, CBC is not just a news channel
Three, your argument about transfer payments is ridiculous, do you really think the "west" gives CBC billions of dollars?
 

Machjo

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Oct 19, 2004
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I actually like the CBC, yet I still support cutting all government funding for the CBC except possibly for some educational programming they do for Northern communities. And I live in the Capital region.
 

Durry

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All funding for the CBC should be axed.
Let them compete for viewers like everybody else.

As far as educational programming goes, the type of programming should be defined and then tendered to all media and awarded to the lowest bidder that meets the requirements.

CBC has no monopoly on educational programming (or any type for that matter) and distribution.

If the CBC wants to teach socialism, let them do it on their own dime!!
 

TenPenny

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Jun 9, 2004
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I am sure the Labour Code in New Brunswick was written by Jack Irving. :)

I doubt it was Jack, he was always the quiet pleasant one who tried to stay out of the limelight.

What is amazing is that everybody (most everybody) in the west hates the CBC, yet it is the west that has to pay the CBC the Billion $ + to support the CBC thru transfer payments. And it is only enjoyed by the easterners!!!

Hmmmm, just another example,,,,,,,,,etc

Do you like Sirius satellite radio? Know who owns Sirius Canada?
 

Machjo

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As far as educational programming goes, the type of programming should be defined and then tendered to all media and awarded to the lowest bidder that meets the requirements.

CBC has no monopoly on educational programming (or any type for that matter) and distribution.

I could agree to that. You see, we Maoist Marxist-Leninists aren't that bad.

If the CBC wants to teach socialism, let them do it on their own dime!!

I watch the CBC on occasion and actually like it, yet still support cutting funding to the CBC. I guess their propaganda hasn't been so successful, eh.
 

Machjo

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You are an idiot, Durry, Fox News is above your pay grade.

So according to your logic, you can know what everyone in a region believes based on what one person in that region believes.

So, as per this logic, if I, an Ontarian, like the CBC but also support cutting funding to the CBC, then I guess that means all Ontarians like the CBC but also want to cut funding to it.

So, who's supporting funding taxpayere funding of the CBC.
 

DurkaDurka

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So according to your logic, you can know what everyone in a region believes based on what one person in that region believes.

So, as per this logic, if I, an Ontarian, like the CBC but also support cutting funding to the CBC, then I guess that means all Ontarians like the CBC but also want to cut funding to it.

So, who's supporting funding taxpayere funding of the CBC.

I don't have an opinion, apparently Durry speaks for every one east of Manitoba, although he's probably never ventured outside of his village.
 

Liberalman

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Mar 18, 2007
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The only reason the Conservatives won was that the Liberals had a cheap copy of a Conservative intellectual hack that just did not have the stones to force an election.

The Liberals need an independent thinker like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who had what it took to get the job done.

As far as the NDP is concerned they are not even close to the Liberal way of thinking.


The only people that is against the CBC is the competing private broadcasters, people in general will watch what is put in front of them as long as it is good.

Private broadcasters are competing for advertising dollars in a shrinking market.

One of the private broadcasters went as far as to try to charge the cable stations who carry their signals.

If private broadcasters wants some government scratch they should start to produce Canadian content for the folks at home instead of generic shows for the Americans.

Trudeau is still responsible for giving Canadians identity with his fifty per cent Canadian content rule in the 1970s.

If the private broadcasters had their way Canada would not have a broadcast industry and as for the great white north TV would be introduced in 2000
 

Dixie Cup

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Sep 16, 2006
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I do like some of the programs that CBC offers but must admit, other than those specific programs, I rarely watch it. I like programs like the Fifth Estate, Ron James, Rick Mercer - other than those shows, I could care less about what they show.

JMO
 

Machjo

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The only reason the Conservatives won was that the Liberals had a cheap copy of a Conservative intellectual hack that just did not have the stones to force an election.

The Liberals need an independent thinker like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who had what it took to get the job done.

As far as the NDP is concerned they are not even close to the Liberal way of thinking.


The only people that is against the CBC is the competing private broadcasters, people in general will watch what is put in front of them as long as it is good.

Private broadcasters are competing for advertising dollars in a shrinking market.

One of the private broadcasters went as far as to try to charge the cable stations who carry their signals.

If private broadcasters wants some government scratch they should start to produce Canadian content for the folks at home instead of generic shows for the Americans.

Trudeau is still responsible for giving Canadians identity with his fifty per cent Canadian content rule in the 1970s.

If the private broadcasters had their way Canada would not have a broadcast industry and as for the great white north TV would be introduced in 2000


Trudeau may have been well-intentioned, but we all know that good intentions alone don't suffice.
 

taxslave

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Nov 25, 2008
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The Liberals need an independent thinker like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who had what it took to get the job done.
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You want more of the two biggest crooks that did the most to destroy Canada and the Liberal party?
 

wulfie68

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Mar 29, 2009
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The only reason the Conservatives won was that the Liberals had a cheap copy of a Conservative intellectual hack that just did not have the stones to force an election.

The Liberals need an independent thinker like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who had what it took to get the job done.

As far as the NDP is concerned they are not even close to the Liberal way of thinking.


The only people that is against the CBC is the competing private broadcasters, people in general will watch what is put in front of them as long as it is good.

Private broadcasters are competing for advertising dollars in a shrinking market.

One of the private broadcasters went as far as to try to charge the cable stations who carry their signals.

If private broadcasters wants some government scratch they should start to produce Canadian content for the folks at home instead of generic shows for the Americans.

Trudeau is still responsible for giving Canadians identity with his fifty per cent Canadian content rule in the 1970s.

If the private broadcasters had their way Canada would not have a broadcast industry and as for the great white north TV would be introduced in 2000.

I can sympathize with your dislike of Iggy: I didn't like him or ANY of the leaders to be honest (Duceppe was the closest and he's a Quebec seperatist...).

As for the rest of your statements, you're dead wrong: the country would not survive another Chretien or Trudeau in office. There would be referendums in the West and probably Quebec, as a return to their type divide and conquer mentality towards the hinterlands would send regional nationalism through the roof. Alberta would be gone: most Albertans probably would rather accept the inevitable annexation into the US than more of the Liberal Party's selective oppression.

The Liberals need to re-invent themselves to attract back the voters they lost to the NDP and Conservatives, and this means re-discovering the center: I don't see the NDP as being able to become centrist enough to maintain their base. The big reason the Conservatives have taken power is they are almost winning the center by default, while the Liberals and NDP are fighting it out to see who can be the most "progressive". Yes, politics need to evolve to keep up with the needs society (which is the textbook definition of classical liberalism) but they don't need to force societal change, unless there is a negative effect on the long term stability or danger to be avoided... which is where the NDP and Liberals are failing IMO. More often than not, they manufacture an issue as an excuse to socially engineer a "solution".

The CBC tends to have support from more remote areas (like where Cliffy is at) who have limited to no commercial options... and not everyone wants to pay for satellite radio & TV. In larger urban areas, their market share is small: HNIC used to get a huge share but their coverage/broadcast team has taken some hits over the years and others (the TSNs & Sportsnets, etc.) have gotten a lot better. On the whole, I think they are the next thing to a white elephant: they have some use, but not as much as their funding demands.
 

taxslave

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So according to your logic, you can know what everyone in a region believes based on what one person in that region believes.

So, as per this logic, if I, an Ontarian, like the CBC but also support cutting funding to the CBC, then I guess that means all Ontarians like the CBC but also want to cut funding to it.

So, who's supporting funding taxpayere funding of the CBC.

Well that is about the logic of pollsters who ask 1000 people across Canada a question and then determine how the rest of us think.
 

Liberalman

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Mar 18, 2007
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The Liberals need an independent thinker like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who had what it took to get the job done.
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You want more of the two biggest crooks that did the most to destroy Canada and the Liberal party?

Crooks! well Harper does not care about the rule of law and Harper does not care about parliament.

It’s his way or the highway.

Can’t debate the budget because of closure.

Crooks have to answer for their misdeeds but when basic citizens rights are being taken away from Canadians by a government who says they have the right to do it because of the voters giving them the majority that is just not right.

I never would have thought that I would ever see the day that a Conservative party would ever act irresponsibly as they are now.

Even the Republican Party in America gives more latitude to it’s citizens than the Conservative party does in Canada.

Because of the mishandling of the Attawapiskat crises the government is triggering a civil disobedience from the aboriginals and if the Conservatives continue to use their iron fist approach to solve problems and not let debate happen between people then civil disobedience will be the norm until the next election.