The Failings of the Modern Left

[Curiosity]

Funny nobody mentioned something about unions here....

Unions organize and back politicians in order to further their personal agenda - they commit their membership to backing candidates which may or may not be the choice of the individual member.

It is gang persuasion which I dislike muddying up any electoral vote - that some membership is going
to dictate how a person casts an personal vote...a sacred right.

Union is no longer for the little guy no matter how many pretty words are written about them.... they have the same power agenda as corporate entities, the same love of money and prestige and have long forgotten their original calling..... to uplift those who needed a voice.

Now they like to "own" the voice and the body which goes with it.

 

[thomaska]

And the historical proof was what?:wave:

GUIDE BOOK FOR LIBERAL TROLLS

1. Make things up about the person you are attacking: It’s important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word “clearly.” “Clearly, (in this case) CDNBear is a liar, an asshole and a neo-con to boot.”

2. Be an armchair psychologist: You’re a smart person. You’ve heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you’re qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. “Wardmama, by using the word ‘zucchini’ in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy.”

3. Cross-post your flames everywhere: Every conservative blogger on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal! From the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiller Empire to VodkaPundit, they’re all holding their breath until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere.

4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone’s against you, the reason can’t *possibly* be that you’re a ****head. There’s obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it.

5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of Flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. “By saying that I’ve posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha.”

6. Force them to document their claims: Even if George Bush states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn’t written an article on Bush’s pasta preferences, then Bush is obviously lying.

7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words “ad hominem” at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are “ad nauseum,” “veni, vidi, vici,” and “fettuccini alfredo.”

8. Tell ‘em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you’re smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you’re a member of Mensa, or Mega, or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. “I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word ‘neanderthal’ .”

9. Accuse your opponent of censorship: It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or even worse ... a “neo-con”.

10. Doubt their existence: You’ve never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you’re the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn’t you? Therefore, THEY DON’T EXIST! This is the beauty of Liberals’ logic.

11. Don’t hold back: Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. Leave no stone unturned. Hate everything. Attack them all. As a last resort you may even quote heavy metal rock lyrics to justify your argument. Nine Inch Nails is good. Twisted Sister is better.

12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a Liberal troll you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a freaking retard. At this point, there’s only one thing to do: INSULT THE DIRTBAG!!! “Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables.” :wave:

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/

 

[MikeyDB]

Thomaska

Don't conservatives deserve a similar guide as you've provided for "Liberal Trolls"?

Perhaps your intent was to imply that conservatives don't behave this way...just Liberals....

 

[darkbeaver]

GUIDE BOOK FOR LIBERAL TROLLS

1. Make things up about the person you are attacking: It’s important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word “clearly.” “Clearly, (in this case) CDNBear is a liar, an asshole and a neo-con to boot.”

2. Be an armchair psychologist: You’re a smart person. You’ve heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you’re qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. “Wardmama, by using the word ‘zucchini’ in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy.”

3. Cross-post your flames everywhere: Every conservative blogger on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal! From the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiller Empire to VodkaPundit, they’re all holding their breath until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere.

4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone’s against you, the reason can’t *possibly* be that you’re a ****head. There’s obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it.

5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of Flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. “By saying that I’ve posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha.”

6. Force them to document their claims: Even if George Bush states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn’t written an article on Bush’s pasta preferences, then Bush is obviously lying.

7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words “ad hominem” at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are “ad nauseum,” “veni, vidi, vici,” and “fettuccini alfredo.”

8. Tell ‘em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you’re smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you’re a member of Mensa, or Mega, or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. “I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word ‘neanderthal’ .”

9. Accuse your opponent of censorship: It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or even worse ... a “neo-con”.

10. Doubt their existence: You’ve never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you’re the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn’t you? Therefore, THEY DON’T EXIST! This is the beauty of Liberals’ logic.

11. Don’t hold back: Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. Leave no stone unturned. Hate everything. Attack them all. As a last resort you may even quote heavy metal rock lyrics to justify your argument. Nine Inch Nails is good. Twisted Sister is better.

12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a Liberal troll you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a freaking retard. At this point, there’s only one thing to do: INSULT THE DIRTBAG!!! “Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables.” :wave:

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/

What are you trying to say Thomaska?

 

[talloola]

As usual on a political opinion thread, nothing is ever said that would help our country or

improve our way of life, just the usual insults, and groping for the stronger position, just

like the politicians do to each other.

 

[MikeyDB]

As usual on a political opinion thread, nothing is ever said that would help our country or

improve our way of life, just the usual insults, and groping for the stronger position, just

like the politicians do to each other.

Yeah but all us bozos here at CC won't be idling our limos outside the Federal Trough despite a commitment not to do that...nor will any of us be in the position of screwing up this country as completely and as enthusiastically as our elected representatives...

If you want to improve our way of life..... design us a strategy for holding these nabobs accountable and injecting some sense of responsibility to the people of Canada into their teeny pea-pickin-minds...
And of course if you want a perfect world do the same for everyone here at Canadian Content too...

 

[darkbeaver]

As usual on a political opinion thread, nothing is ever said that would help our country or

improve our way of life, just the usual insults, and groping for the stronger position, just

like the politicians do to each other.

And your contribution is what?:wave:

 

[gopher]

"Failings" of the modern left -- new leftist governments in:

Argentina

Bolivia

Brazil

Chile

Ecuador

Nicaragua

Peru

Venezuela


Geez, leftist ''failure'' sure seems like success to me!

Ain't democracy grand?

 

[talloola]

Yeah but all us bozos here at CC won't be idling our limos outside the Federal Trough despite a commitment not to do that...nor will any of us be in the position of screwing up this country as completely and as enthusiastically as our elected representatives...

If you want to improve our way of life..... design us a strategy for holding these nabobs accountable and injecting some sense of responsibility to the people of Canada into their teeny pea-pickin-minds...
And of course if you want a perfect world do the same for everyone here at Canadian Content too...

I guess what I would like to read is, the good things about the "other"party, as well as the bad things,
about your own party, and vice versa, a balanced approach. It is all such a waste of time, the whole
idea seems to be, lets see what kind of syrup we can pour to the public, and which party will suck
the regular person in, to get their vote, and, when giving an opinion, noone "EVER" says anything
positive about what the "other" party might have done, that isn't recognized at all. I'm 68 yrs. old,
and I cant do it any more, I'm cashing out, cause it's not real, just a "hate" game.
Lets see if one ndp, one conservative, and one liberal can write into this forum and give us one
thing they like about the "other" two parties.

 

[CDNBear]

And the historical proof was what?:wave:

Bonus Questions (Answer 1 of the Following Questions for Your FREE Bookmark):
a. How did the Iroquois League influence the United States government?
Benjamin Franklin, one of the drafters of the United States Constitution, admired the Iroquois form of government and borrowed some of its ideas for America including: a government with a national and local systems; a "checks and balance" system to keep one part of the government from having too much power; a democratic government in which the leaders were responsible to the people (unlike the kings and queens of Europe at the time); and a constitution with the freedom of speech and religion. Did you know women in the Iroquois League had many more rights than colonial women? Iroquois women shared responsibility for running their government centuries earlier, while American women did not gain these rights until the twentieth century.

Oh sorry, I forgot the left leaning elitist has not the skills of research, I'm not sure why I though differently, just look at the ahistorical tripe tossed around by them as fact. More like fiction, but that to is understandable, when you spend so much time in a dream like state of delusion.

 

[talloola]

No you don't have to stand back and watch, that's the attitude that bred the situation, get involved, it's your country, it's your duty as a citizen.:wave:

I have been involved for many years, as I said I am tired of all of it, and with all the involvement
of all of us, it has come to this? nothing constructive, everyone just takes sides and throws
crap at each other, as I said before. If fall parties worked together, put everything good about
themselves together and made decisions for "us" and not for their own gains and to get votes or
to be elected next time, we could have a better country, and in the u.s. it is even worse.
Yeah, my duty as a citizen, what is their duty as a representative of me/us.

 

[CDNBear]

What are you trying to say Thomaska?

A lot and he's saying it quite well.

I'm still waiting to see if you acknowledge your error about my ancestral culture, I'm not holding my breath. One I have learned about the smug and selfrighteous left elitist is, they can never admit when they err. Yet another failing of the moonbat party.

 

[darkbeaver]

Bonus Questions (Answer 1 of the Following Questions for Your FREE Bookmark):
a. How did the Iroquois League influence the United States government?
Benjamin Franklin, one of the drafters of the United States Constitution, admired the Iroquois form of government and borrowed some of its ideas for America including: a government with a national and local systems; a "checks and balance" system to keep one part of the government from having too much power; a democratic government in which the leaders were responsible to the people (unlike the kings and queens of Europe at the time); and a constitution with the freedom of speech and religion. Did you know women in the Iroquois League had many more rights than colonial women? Iroquois women shared responsibility for running their government centuries earlier, while American women did not gain these rights until the twentieth century.

Oh sorry, I forgot the left leaning elitist has not the skills of research, I'm not sure why I though differently, just look at the ahistorical tripe tossed around by them as fact. More like fiction, but that to is understandable, when you spend so much time in a dream like state of delusion.

I have been aware of the confederacy for many years, everything you've provided about it is true and beautiful. You won't find much eliteism in it will you? You will find many fine democratic practices, which I have never denied or belittled. You will also find socialism, the welfare of the many was placed above that of the few. That is all I'v said, if you disagree, fine.:wave:

 

[CDNBear]

I have been aware of the confederacy for many years, everything you've provided about it is true and beautiful. You won't find much eliteism in it will you? You will find many fine democratic practices, which I have never denied or belittled. You will also find socialism, the welfare of the many was placed above that of the few. That is all I'v said, if you disagree, fine.:wave:

So then, how exactly should I take this then...

CNDBear Quote
The communal (communist) efforts of the democracy of your ancestors was socialism based on the needs of the people as opposed to those of the wealthy and elite. You are a confused product of corporate newspeak, connect your words to meaning. You cannot have it both ways. :wave:

PS: Get well soon.

Seems pretty belittling to me. Non?

 

[darkbeaver]

So then, how exactly should I take this then...

Seems pretty belittling to me. Non?

Communism= a system of society with vesting of property in the community, each member working for the common benefit according to his capacity and recieving according to his needs.

source ---------THE CONCISE OXFORD DICTIONARY


you jumped at my throat you should have jumped for your dictionary:wave:

 

[CDNBear]

Communism= a system of society with vesting of property in the community, each member working for the common benefit according to his capacity and recieving according to his needs.

source ---------THE CONCISE OXFORD DICTIONARY


you jumped at my throat you should have jumped for your dictionary:wave:

I barely took a swipe at ya, stop being so sensitive.

But I do appreciate you perpetuating the stereotype yet again.

Living in a communal society, does not automatically make it communism in the modern sense as you and your ilk would have forced on the masses. Especially when it is applied via a democratic process, as it was under the Confederacy.

So whatever you do, do not address what I challenged, just bring up some symantics to deflect the issue.

You challenged the validity and my health, presumably mental, as well as my grasp of the meaning of the words I chose and the combination thereof. All because I stated that I would rather adhere to the communal efforts of the democracy of my ancestors.

And as I have pointed out. It can be had both ways. Which corrects your claim...

"connect your words to meaning.You cannot have it both ways.

"

I never claimed you belittled my ancestry or culture, I claimed you were and are ignorant of it and corrected you. Quite well I might add.

But hey, don't let facts shead light on your delusions of grandure and superiority.

 

[darkbeaver]

I barely took a swipe at ya, stop being so sensitive.

But I do appreciate you perpetuating the stereotype yet again.

Living in a communal society, does not automatically make it communism in the modern sense as you and your ilk would have forced on the masses. Especially when it is applied via a democratic process, as it was under the Confederacy.

So whatever you do, do not address what I challenged, just bring up some symantics to deflect the issue.

You challenged the validity and my health, presumably mental, as well as my grasp of the meaning of the words I chose and the combination thereof. All because I stated that I would rather adhere to the communal efforts of the democracy of my ancestors.

And as I have pointed out. It can be had both ways. Which corrects your claim...

"connect your words to meaning.You cannot have it both ways.

"

I never claimed you belittled my ancestry or culture, I claimed you were and are ignorant of it and corrected you. Quite well I might add.

But hey, don't let facts shead light on your delusions of grandure and superiority.

We will continue if you like, I love it, you'll fall on your dull pencil before I do. The modern sense of the word is the same as it's always been, you have a corrupted sense of the word, the meaning will not change no matter what you say, so keep it up, your pencil awaits you. Your ancestors were communists.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

 

[CDNBear]

We will continue if you like, I love it, you'll fall on your dull pencil before I do. The modern sense of the word is the same as it's always been, you have a corrupted sense of the word, the meaning will not change no matter what you say, so keep it up, your pencil awaits you. Your ancestors were communists.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

Still perpetuating the stereotype I see.

i will conceed that communism and a communal society is one in the same, but it is hardly the mess that is marxism in the 20th century or socialism as mutated by the western socialist movement. Ours is democratic for starters.

My issue is with you challening the possiblity that a social unit can be both, you were summarily proved wrong. Admit it.

One thing you left elitists are consistant at is avoiding the real issue at hand.

Good call.

 

[darkbeaver]

Still perpetuating the stereotype I see.

i will conceed that communism and a communal society is one in the same, but it is hardly the mess that is marxism in the 20th century or socialism as mutated by the western socialist movement. Ours is democratic for starters.

My issue is with you challening the possiblity that a social unit can be both, you were summarily proved wrong. Admit it.

One thing you left elitists are consistant at is avoiding the real issue at hand.

Good call.

I don't believe that I have challenged anything of the sort, both socialism and communism can be democratic, and conversely a democracy can be communist or socialist, what in hell are we fighting about I've forgotten?:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

 

[CDNBear]

I don't believe that I have challenged anything of the sort, both socialism and communism can be democratic, and conversely a democracy can be communist or socialist, what in hell are we fighting about I've forgotten?:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

That doesn't surprise me one bit, neither does your flip flop.

These stereotypes you keep perpetuating, keep me in stitches. How can you expect to get a political platform to be taken seriously by the people, when you as a vocal supporter, show us quite well, that socialistist/leftists have not the metal to attack the issues head on, nor do they have the ablity to accept a failing and address it. Typical, sad but truly typical.

CNDBear Quote
The communal (communist) efforts of the democracy of your ancestors was socialism based on the needs of the people as opposed to those of the wealthy and elite. You are a confused product of corporate newspeak, connect your words to meaning. You cannot have it both ways. :wave:

PS: Get well soon.

^^^That would be what I am addressing and you are deflecting over^^^

You know, the post where you insinuated that democracy and communism were apposing ideologies.

But hey, why take my word for it, shall I post some socialist rhetoric from your fellow communists that say the samething said, but now didn't say.

The stereotypes abound in this socialist, he is strong with the schwartz!