The Cons haven't done anything good for Canada?

[Cliffy]

Tyr,

Don't you think that is by design? Anybody with half a brain wouldn't want to walk into that hornet's nest we call parliament, let alone be a leader. The people have to demand a complete revamp or redesign of our governmental system before we are going to have anything but a corporate dictatorship.

 

[Tyr]

Tyr,

Don't you think that is by design? Anybody with half a brain wouldn't want to walk into that hornet's nest we call parliament, let alone be a leader. The people have to demand a complete revamp or redesign of our governmental system before we are going to have anything but a corporate dictatorship.

I don't think it's by design, but rather apathy and lack of faith in our leadership.

If you were to list four "despised" professions, I would think politician would fit in somewhere with lawyers, banker and journalists

 

[gregster]

Nothing personal but f... the French in Canadian politics .

i agree too long the french in quebec have had the rest of canada kiss their respective behinds

 

[gregster]

I'm all for deflation of the cost we pay for services - Like insurance - All these "improvements" in making cars and houses safer haven't seemed to make a dent in our insurance premiums - And bank charges - We do most of the banks work for them now - electronic payroll deposit - ATM's - Interac - filling out forms on line to speed loan transacions - Why are our service charges going up?

Then there are sewage infratructure upcharges - debt retirement charges - etc. attached to our utility bills -

The bank rate keeps falling but mortgages are stuck and credit card rates went up

What most of us pay for EI and CPP is going up by $100 next year but income tax is going down by only $36 - Interestingly the EI increase is not accompanied by improved benefits for recipients - A Harper Cash Grab!

on the subjecy of insurance... when i was 16 i had drivers ed and defensive driving courses to lower my ins. rate..back then i paid 110 per year and was told the longer i went without accidents or infractions my cost would decrease,lol i am now 55 no at fault accidents ever and i drove taxi for 18 years .5 speeding tickets my entire life i now pay more per month than i paid in a year back then ..where is the decrease??? of course we pay for all the bad drivers

 

[barney]

Inflation hasn't worked in 60 years, so maybe it's time to try a little DEFLATION, can't hurt and will definitely get rid of criminal prices we have to pay- like $1/2 million bucks for "a roof".

I don't know about the last 60 years, but some economists have suggested that our present economic woes may be better served by actually increasing inflation (e.g. would lower worth of homes, thus lowering interest rates, thus allowing people to actually pay their mortages--assuming I understood correctly).

As far as I understand it, higher inflation actually allows products produced here to compete locally with imported products--assuming wage standards are proportionate to cost. International free market schemes make it very complicated so I may be wrong.

What most of us pay for EI and CPP is going up by $100 next year but income tax is going down by only $36 - Interestingly the EI increase is not accompanied by improved benefits for recipients - A Harper Cash Grab!

Since when have public service cost increases reflected proportional improvements to those same services? Nothing new there; Libs pull the same $hit--just look at Ontario. Tracking down where taxes go once they leave your pocket is a bureaucratic nightmare--best to just be glad we still have EI (assuming you can get approved for it).

The people have to demand a complete revamp or redesign of our governmental system before we are going to have anything but a corporate dictatorship.

Would these "people" be the same ones that voted Harper into office? ...I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hate to break this to you but many (most?) voting Canadians are just as self-interested and irresponsible as the politicians they vote for (if their political interests at the local level are of any indication). In other words, don't be too quick to put the blame all on the politicians.

The fact that most of you don't vote NDP, even though it's the *only* party that officially puts the state's economic sovereignty and <entire> population's welfare at the forefront, is a pretty clear sign that your complaints about the irresponsible governments you vote for are hypocritical to say the least.

(Oh but of course, it's really just Jack's porn-star mustache and one premier's unforgivable *uck ups --who's now a Liberal btw, having alienated his old party.)

 

[gregster]

the problem is that the Cons don't even have anybody with a position or an opinion on anything. Harper is the best they have (and that's not good at any level)

We really haven't had a "great" leader since Trudeau and I don't see any of the current crop from any of the parties even being barely acceptable

unfortunally trudeau was not that good ....we just did not have anyone better at the time.. what we really need is some old farmer for prime minister someone who buys EVERYTHING he buys at retail and sells EVERYTHING he sells at wholesale and pays the freight both directions and still manages to feed and house and clothe his family..just my opion of course

 

[In Between Man]

Jack’s Newswatch*|* Harper Gov’t Accomplishments

My point in posting this is that NO gov't is all bad nor all good and that saying one particular gov't has done nothing for Canada is just stupid and misleading (aka politic).

I started out pretty skeptical of the Harper Cons, but I find myself pretty surprised. I think all in all, they've done a solid job. The accomplishments speak for themselves.

 

[VanIsle]

I started out pretty skeptical of the Harper Cons, but I find myself pretty surprised. I think all in all, they've done a solid job. The accomplishments speak for themselves.

We fully agree.

 

[VanIsle]

I'm all for deflation of the cost we pay for services - Like insurance - All these "improvements" in making cars and houses safer haven't seemed to make a dent in our insurance premiums - And bank charges - We do most of the banks work for them now - electronic payroll deposit - ATM's - Interac - filling out forms on line to speed loan transacions - Why are our service charges going up?

Then there are sewage infratructure upcharges - debt retirement charges - etc. attached to our utility bills -

The bank rate keeps falling but mortgages are stuck and credit card rates went up

What most of us pay for EI and CPP is going up by $100 next year but income tax is going down by only $36 - Interestingly the EI increase is not accompanied by improved benefits for recipients - A Harper Cash Grab!

mit, while it's not a government charge, you forgot one of the strangest charges we have to pay for - my monthly Telus phone bill charges me for 911 services (the right to this service). Do all of you have to pay this charge?
I may well be wrong but I thought Harper was against a raise in EI and was pressured into the charge. I didn't pay a lot of attention.

 

[L Gilbert]

the problem is that the Cons don't even have anybody with a position or an opinion on anything. Harper is the best they have (and that's not good at any level)

We really haven't had a "great" leader since Trudeau and I don't see any of the current crop from any of the parties even being barely acceptable

Turdeau was a great leader? lol Perhaps for eastern Canucks.

 

[L Gilbert]

So that makes it acceptable?

We get the SOBs - I mean government - we deserve. Until we as an electorate are willing to hold our elected officials to a higher standard, and BOOT them out when they don't meet that standard, then we deserve to have liars lead us.

I will not longer vote for a politician that out right lies. (BTW - there is a difference between making a promise - trying to keep it and but not being able to keep it (acceptable), making a promise and having circumstances change so that keeping the promise is either impossible, or worse than keeping it (also acceptable), and making a promise with no intention of keeping it. (not acceptable at all))

No, that doesn't make it acceptable. I just get tired of reading and listening to all the negative crap about one of them when they are just one of many that screws up. So I post some good stuff about them. That doesn't mean that I am on their side, though. It just means that they ALL have good points and bad popints. I started this thread because at the time there were loads of threads each about Harpy and his blunders.

No, we don't deserve the crap that comes from Ottawa. It would be nice if we'd just be able to simply give them the boot, but the only time we have a say is when we group TOGETHER in huge numbers and squawk (a rare occasion indeed as most of us are too much into self-interest to even begin to think nationally) or on voting day.

So you won't vote for a pol that lies. Good luck finding one that doesn't. And if you find one in some miraculous way or other, what will you do with your vote when they lie AFTER you voted for them?

Perhaps, a few (I am being generous when I say "a few") politicians actually do intend on keeping their promises. But if they do or not is pretty irrelevant as the results are the same. The way government is designed, Mahatma Ghandi, Mother Teresa, or St. So=and-so could come crawling out of the grave and become PM and break promises they made.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Turdeau was a great leader? lol Perhaps for eastern Canucks.

Don't be to hard on Trudeau Les. He did bring to Western Canucks Bilingualism 8O and
the National Energy Plan :angryfire: and the Trudeau Salute :angryfire: and Western Alienation. :angryfire:

 

[pegger]

So you won't vote for a pol that lies. Good luck finding one that doesn't. And if you find one in some miraculous way or other, what will you do with your vote when they lie AFTER you voted for them?

Right now, I will vote for the best chance of booting the current liar out. In my riding, that would be Liberal. (I have voted Green in the past - but I'm not impressed with Elizabeth May)

If Ignatieff reveals himself as big as a turd as Harper is, I will vote Conservative.

It's not ideal, in fact it sucks, but the alternative is not to vote - which is not acceptable either, or start a revolution.

 

[Spade]

What the new Conservatives have done for Canada is reveal how good the alternatives are!