Systemic abuse of children

Curious Cdn

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Neither of my parents have ever sexually abused me and neither of them has ever known about it. Don't assume that a parent is necessarily the abuser. The child has ways to keep it a very tight secret from his parents and from anyone who might tell them.
 

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Neither of my parents have ever sexually abused me and neither of them has ever known about it. Don't assume that a parent is necessarily the abuser. The child has ways to keep it a very tight secret from his parents and from anyone who might tell them.
Neither of you has come close to the mentioning the times when the molesting brings the family closer together and the 'abuse' is laughter and the most intense orgasms of their life. That means neither of you knows the scope of abuse or you think the ones that didn't enjoy it were just naturally unhappy children and the abuse did not foster the emotional problems the person faces for life.
 

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Neither of you has come close to the mentioning the times when the molesting brings the family closer together and the 'abuse' is laughter and the most intense orgasms of their life. That means neither of you knows the scope of abuse or you think the ones that didn't enjoy it were just naturally unhappy children and the abuse did not foster the emotional problems the person faces for life.

What are you talking about?
 

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I'm just saying that it's not always the case. Sometimes the parents know nothing about it and the child keeps it a very tight secret from them for various reasons.
. . . . The child has ways to keep it a very tight secret from his parents and from anyone who might tell them.
How much did abuse from strangers/friends of the family affect you?? In all cases it changes the way long term partners deal with each other when the reaction is based on the time of the abuse rather than an event that triggers the memory. People can get past that, doctors prefer patients keep coming back as their rate is $400/hr and in a week abused people bring in more than a few hours on the clock
 

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Glad to know you think the subject is a joke. Can I apply that trait to all the stupid posts you make around here??
I don't think that it's a joke, at all. Pete Townsend was fiddled about by an "Uncle Ernie and wrote about him in Tommy.

It's not a joke in Tommy, either.
 

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How much did abuse from strangers/friends of the family affect you?? In all cases it changes the way long term partners deal with each other when the reaction is based on the time of the abuse rather than an event that triggers the memory. People can get past that, doctors prefer patients keep coming back as their rate is $400/hr and in a week abused people bring in more than a few hours on the clock

I'm well aware of the cost of professional therapy. That's why some turn to 12-step groups as a less expensive alternative.

And I'm well aware of how it messes with emotions and relationships in a fundamental way. I don't need statistics to know that. Surprise surprise though, sometimes the victim remembers the abuse, suffers an addictive personality in young adulthood, but recognizes only years later how the two were linked.

And since you asked, it was my babysitter. Neither of my parents, nor my wife know. None of my friends know either. Like I said, it's a very close secret that I share only when I'm reasonably anonymous. Some know about my addictions though. I'm a teetotaller for a reason for example.
 

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What are you talking about?
The adults and children who both get fun from an illegal relationship?? When abuse is not abuse but it is training that will set the person up for life as somebody who will handle the buying and selling of children knowing that they are going to be raped and tortured and killed.

Kiddie porn is not bad manners at home, it is a global industry that deals with murder as much as it does with raping children.

https://www.parentsprotect.co.uk/faqs.htm

How do people commit child sexual abuse?

By getting close to children:
People who want to abuse children often build a relationship with the child, their parents and other caring adults who want to protect them. Many are good at making 'friends' with children and those who are close to them. Some may befriend parents who are experiencing difficulties, such as isolation, emotional problems, financial pressures. They may offer to baby-sit or offer support with childcare and other responsibilities. Some seek trusted positions in the community which put them in contact with children, such as childcare, schools, children's groups and sports teams. Some find places such as arcades, playgrounds, parks, swimming pools and around schools where they can get to know children.
By silencing children:
People who sexually abuse children may offer them gifts or treats, and sometimes combine these with threats about what will happen if the child says 'no' or tells someone. They may make the child afraid of being hurt physically, but more usually the threat is about what may happen if they tell, for example, the family breaking up or father going to prison. In order to keep the abuse secret the abuser will often play on the child's fear, embarrassment, shame or guilt about what is happening, perhaps convincing them that no one will believe them. Sometimes the abuser will make the child believe that he or she enjoyed it and wanted it to happen. There may be other reasons why a child stays silent and doesn't tell. Very young or disabled children may lack the words or means of communication to let people know what is going on.
 

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The adults and children who both get fun from an illegal relationship?? When abuse is not abuse but it is training that will set the person up for life as somebody who will handle the buying and selling of children knowing that they are going to be raped and tortured and killed.
Kiddie porn is not bad manners at home, it is a global industry that deals with murder as much as it does with raping children.
https://www.parentsprotect.co.uk/faqs.htm
How do people commit child sexual abuse?
By getting close to children:
People who want to abuse children often build a relationship with the child, their parents and other caring adults who want to protect them. Many are good at making 'friends' with children and those who are close to them. Some may befriend parents who are experiencing difficulties, such as isolation, emotional problems, financial pressures. They may offer to baby-sit or offer support with childcare and other responsibilities. Some seek trusted positions in the community which put them in contact with children, such as childcare, schools, children's groups and sports teams. Some find places such as arcades, playgrounds, parks, swimming pools and around schools where they can get to know children.
By silencing children:
People who sexually abuse children may offer them gifts or treats, and sometimes combine these with threats about what will happen if the child says 'no' or tells someone. They may make the child afraid of being hurt physically, but more usually the threat is about what may happen if they tell, for example, the family breaking up or father going to prison. In order to keep the abuse secret the abuser will often play on the child's fear, embarrassment, shame or guilt about what is happening, perhaps convincing them that no one will believe them. Sometimes the abuser will make the child believe that he or she enjoyed it and wanted it to happen. There may be other reasons why a child stays silent and doesn't tell. Very young or disabled children may lack the words or means of communication to let people know what is going on.

Yeah, my parents trusted my babysitter. I feared how my dad might react if he learnt about the abuse when I was a child, fearing perhaps irrationally that he might blame me for it, and later I feared that revealing it could hurt my mom. I didn't want to hurt her. I don't need statistics. I'm well aware (at least now) how my childhood experience affected my inability to drink alcohol socially. I won't get into the details here, but let's just say that the way alcohol could destress me is particularly addictive. Alcohol isn't my only addiction either. While I've gotten them all mostly under control, I do need to always remain vigilent. Like I said, I do have an idea of how childhood sexual abuse screws with the mind and the emotions.
 

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Fuk you asshole.
Explain the purpose if that specific vid then if you aren't the low-life I called you and will keep calling you at every opportunity you provide, which will be many.

I can have a sense of humour. Why can't you?
 

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. . . but let's just say that the way alcohol could destress me is particularly addictive. Alcohol isn't my only addiction either. While I've gotten them all mostly under control, I do need to always remain vigilent. Like I said, I do have an idea of how childhood sexual abuse screws with the mind and the emotions.
You gave the answer, the odds are you would have no addiction that are there to 'assist you to escape' if the abuse had not taken place. Not the actual attack but how it changed all the relationships that it did. Distance between parents and children is when you start to mistrust the ones who care about you the most. It also means their skill-set about parenting is not as good as it should be and that is a condition manufactured by intention over many generations.
In your 'solution' post you seem to forget the abuser should 'be cured' for there to be any 'happy ending'. Treatment is probably possible but that would kill a lot of control as well as kill a multi billion dollar per year industry.

I don't see that happening any time this century do you??
 

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Fuk you asshole.
Explain the purpose if that specific vid then if you aren't the low-life I called you and will keep calling you at every opportunity you provide, which will be many.
I have to spell it out to you because you're too stupid and ignorant to piece it all together on your own?

What the hell are you? A twelve year old?
 

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I can have a sense of humour. Why can't you?
I do until the poster goes into troll mode and then I whack them. You aren't a troll so I put some effort into not trolling you.
Was Jimmy Seville at all funny, ever??


I make fun of trolls all the time, I don't make fun of people who have been abused because they did not have the power to fight back. Bullies will not rule the schoolyard forever so who will be 'on the outside then'? The ones here that would be 'bullies' are weak minded tools who have to become chronic liars. Slack is not something I am willing to give them. Feel free to offer them your full support.
 
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I have to spell it out to you because you're too stupid and ignorant to piece it all together on your own?

What the hell are you? A twelve year old?
You left the threat topic wher the number of missing children was posted.You expect answers to your questions. How do you get to pass on every question put to you. Bail and post useless shit is what a troll from the collective does. If you don't like it being brought up then stop doing it.


Is 12 the age you prefer when talking to somebody??
 

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You gave the answer, the odds are you would have no addiction that are there to 'assist you to escape' if the abuse had not taken place. Not the actual attack but how it changed all the relationships that it did. Distance between parents and children is when you start to mistrust the ones who care about you the most. It also means their skill-set about parenting is not as good as it should be and that is a condition manufactured by intention over many generations.
In your 'solution' post you seem to forget the abuser should 'be cured' for there to be any 'happy ending'. Treatment is probably possible but that would kill a lot of control as well as kill a multi billion dollar per year industry.
I don't see that happening any time this century do you??

No, my parents weren't perfect, and neither am I. I'm not going to blame my parents for just being imperfect. Especially when I was hiding it from them, how were they supposed to know?

That's why I said that no system can prevent this kind of abuse. What we can do though is provide the tools to help addicts learn to manage their addictions, and operating government-run casinos with ineffective self-exclusion policies and legalizing marijuana isn't the way to help addicts.
 

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Giving magic mushrooms to drunks who cannot quit shows a lot of promise. Child abuse can be stopped, it isn't because it makes a great blackmail tool and that is why the root of it is even higher than the EU Royals. Commit a horrific crime and join the 'big club'.
 

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Giving magic mushrooms to drunks who cannot quit shows a lot of promise. Child abuse can be stopped, it isn't because it makes a great blackmail tool and that is why the root of it is even higher than the EU Royals. Commit a horrific crime and join the 'big club'.

The simplest solution for an alcoholic is to just go teetotaller and make other teetotaller friends. As for the rest of it, it went right over my head.